Continuing from the previous conversation …
I’ve written about this before (Shut up about everything all the time unless what you have to say is HITLER!!!!) and it relates to the previously discussed topic, as Godwin-Scaping is a way to tell someone to stop talking. Richard Dawkins told Rebecca Watson that her comments were not about the repression of women by Islam, therefore she should shut up. Numerous Nuclear Power Apologists have told Ana Miller and me to Shut Up about Fukushima because more people die in automobile accidents world wide every day than were killed by radiation at that power plant. Recently, Rebecca Watson wrote about how being told to “not feed the trolls” might sound like friendly and helpful advice (and may even be meant that way sometimes) but it is actually just another way to tell people to shut up.
I’ve also referred to this as the “Watch the Monkey” strategy, as invented by the famous lawyer Johnny Cochraine. Well, for him, it was done with a glove, but South Park saw it differently:
And, during the early days of Elevator Gate I was told numerous times by many people that the discussion had been worn out, used up, was over and done with, had gotten boring, or needed to stop. I still hear that from people.
However, last time I checked, Rebecca Watson is still getting obnoxious emails including rape threats, and other bloggy colleagues and friends of mine are being told that this or that person would like to “kick them in the cunt” or other such niceties. So no, it is not done. It is not done until all that stops. Stopping this will probably require the transformation of our species to one that reproduces with parthenogenesis and the males mostly die off, because it is mostly the males laying on the crap that requires addressing, though it is not always the males calling for the conversation to end.
And now a word from George Carlin:
(Hat Tip: Jaf)
The American Civil War was fought over slavery, and we are still talking about it because there is still racism over the very issue. I don’t think conversations like Elevator Gate end. They simply become parts of other, newer versions of the same conversation.
This specific issue can also be considered against the broader backdrop of “Codes Of Conduct – Sexism, Skepticism And Civility Online.”
Can you think of any counter examples? Aren’t we still discussing what people were whinging about in the Old Testament? Isn’t #Occupy closely related to some of the issues brought up in the Code of Hammurabi? We really should always be suspicious when someone comes along with the “we’ve had enough” argument, even if, as I suggested earlier, it is meant well. And, half the time, it isn’t.
And now … The Damage Richard Dawkins Did