I have been South Africa many times, and have essentially lived there in a variety of circumstances for quite a bit of time. South Africa is a large, complex, and diverse country with an incredibly complicated history, so I won’t pretend to fully understand the place. But I’m sure I get South Africa far more, and with more nuance and detail, than the vast majority of Americans. So, allow me to tell you something about that beautiful country.
I don’t know how many times I’ve found myself at the listening end of roughly the same sequence of stories, more or less, from always white, usually but not always male, generally older, always Afrikaner (that is one of the cultures) there. There are several stories you hear again and again. The way this white South African lady killed a black with a rigged right side mirror on her backie. The way some blacks hid under the leaves to hijack a white driver but got run over several times instead. And so on and so on.
Make no mistake, South Africa, at the time I was there, before, and since, has had more than its share of brutal crime. The place is a real mess. Large swaths of the society have a huge percentage of fetal alcohol syndrome because wineries paid employees in “tots” (drinks) rather than money. Poverty is deep. The rich and the poor tend to be very far apart. International outrage about apartheid was significantly larger in magnitude than international help after apartheid. And so on.
But the story that Donald Trump is trying to sell, about the violent attacks on white land owners and the taking of their land, is nothing other than yet another steaming pile of shit dished out but post Apartheid angry white supremacists, and picked up and amplified by Fox News.
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Around 1960 or so, South Africa looked like it would be like Canada and Australia as a major developed country, even had a nuclear weapons program that was shut down. Now it looks like it will turn into Zimbabwe, which used to be a food exporter.
Yes, the “killing of whites for resisting” has been tossed around in this area since the liar in chief and his news arm tossed it out.
One has to wonder not only how long it will take for some posting here to repeat it and defend, in some way, South Africa’s long history of racism and oppression enforced through Apartheid.
The “poor white farmers” meme was recently used by the conservative Australian federal government to push public opinion away from accepting non-white refugees, and increasing the proportion of white intake by bringing in more South African farmers.
Not only were these racists shameless in advocating this, but large swathes of the Australian media and electorate were happy to jump on the bandwagon.
There are racists the world round, and they are more than willing to repeat lies that are comforting to them in place of reporting facts. One need only look at billyR and mikeN to see that.
This will be another country the Socshevik will destroy.
https://ewn.co.za/2018/08/23/we-re-prepared-to-die-for-land-expropriation-without-compensation
Racist hater mongers like this bloody bloke, will do the
biding for this ignorant collectivist friends.
“Malema was addressing the media on Thursday at the party’s headquarters in Braamfontein.
“They will kill us for that. There’s a group of white right-wingers who are being trained by Jews in Pretoria to be snipers.”
Kilt the Boars – A number one hit in SA! Hip-Hop; on a whitey lot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=AOaLIIxxQlQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=AOaLIIxxQlQ
https://www.glassdoor.com/blog/no-degree-required/
THIS IS GREAT NEWS: Major businesses now say that a
baccalaureate burka is no longer required for employment.
Yes, this racist employment policy, which I reported to the
Bush administration (EOC) and like so much, took no action.
It is also an economic and class issue, since the LMC and others
can not pay the high cost of institutionalization of higher high skcool.
“Yes, this racist employment policy”
Oh please, you royal asshole, explain how requiring an educated workforce is racist.
Just don’t expect us to believe that you’ve ever tried to get a job where even reading ability was required or that you “reported to the Bush administration” anything ever.
BillyRussymp would apparently prefer a song like ” Oh thank you Mr. Boer for invading our country, shooting, killing, raping, exploiting and enslaving us, and stealing our land?” The sentiments of the EFF are barbaric and odius, and the context in which they are formed is also understandable. Simplistic solutions to complex problems rarely work. The dehumanization weapon shoots both ways and destroys or damages both the target and the shooter.
Is there another EFF or are you talking about Electronic Freedom Foundation?
“BillyRussymp would apparently prefer a song like ” Oh thank you Mr. Boer for invading our country, shooting, killing, raping, exploiting and enslaving us, and stealing our land?”
Stevep, I am sure that the American Indian can make the same claim.
Pow, pow! Now stomp your feet, as we cut their cleats.
Without checking SteveO, I would say that like Obomba “the drama”
the ANC growth rate for SA was pretty much the same.
Mandela (Blokedela?) was a great statesman, unlike his necklace
wife, Winie the poop and the current crop politicians.
“The “poor white farmers” meme was recently used by the conservative Australian federal government to push public opinion away from accepting non-white refugees, and increasing the proportion of white intake by bringing in more South African farmers.”
I guess white folks (whom or who)(just for dean) are being discriminated
against by racist blacks, does not matter for you.
Ethics left at the front door. Check. (thank you stevep) Check.
More votes for my leftest party. Check.
More worldly than Australian . Check.
Bio-diversity more important than culture. Check.
Too many white nations. Check.
Grow social services and government. Check.
And of course, they will never vote for your Labor Party neither, unlike your
other human imported friends.
“Just don’t expect us to believe that you’ve ever tried to get a job where even reading ability was required or that you “reported to the Bush administration” anything ever.”
I will have a complete report for you, Mein Reich Grammar Furhrer.
“There are racists the world round, and they are more than willing to repeat lies that are comforting to them in place of reporting facts. One need only look at billyR and mikeN to see that.”
You need to replace your spectacles K9 dean, as one lens
sees only racists and the other lies. Your vision is very poor
indeed.
BTW, which is your favorite eye? The Left one I bet?
As I’ve said before: if you don’t like having it pointed out that you are a racist and liar, stop being a racist and liar. Stating what you are isn’t a slur, it’s fact.
More distortions of the facts by our race-hate-mongering chum BillyRacist.
The long and dismal history of the hard right creation of the white farmers meme and the role of rightwing media – notably News Corp – in pushing it into policy discourse is recounted here. For those interested in the truth, as opposed to fomenting race hate.
Where BillyRacist gets the idea that anyone here will listen to his hate mongering is a mystery to me.
Fair guess: he’s been #1 on the speaker list at his local chapters of the KKK, Aryan Race, Neo Nazi, and White Supremacist groups, he’s decided he’s got important things to say.
A typical day of name calling, what-about-ism, and misrepresentation by the BillyRussymp tag team. I say BillyRussymp because it describes your writings. Your writings are nearly completely in line with what V.Putin would approve. I say tag team, because the changes in style of your writing are so varied that they bespeak either a tag team or a very disorganized mind.
BillyR, don’t fucking try to tell other people what they think. Don’t fucking try to mis-characterize other peoples’ beliefs to suit your fancy. This is not Russia. You may not be familiar with the concept, but people here can think and say what they want, and state controlled actors like the putative BillyRussymp Putin tag team don’t yet have total say in controlling people’s thoughts. You may not be familiar with the concept, but there is a great deal of variation between individuals and their individual viewpoints and beliefs. Lumping all your enemies together as a homogenous group to dehumanize as leftists,communists, or socialists is, well, it is just stupid, that’s all. School yard shit. Dumb.
So what are your thoughts BillyR? Or are you too afraid of a sound whacking to express them? Are they so indefensible that you don’t dare express them? You send up all sorts of cruel little hate balloons, constantly attacking the straw dogs that you set up, but you don’t ever say what is really on your mind. What is it that you are advocating? Genocide? Race War? Really, let’s hear your solution.
Have a nice day.
“More distortions of the facts by our race-hate-mongering chum BillyRacist.
The long and dismal history of the hard right creation of the white farmers meme and the role of rightwing media – notably News Corp – in pushing it into policy discourse is recounted here. For those interested in the truth, as opposed to fomenting race hate.
Where BillyRacist gets the idea that anyone here will listen to his hate mongering is a mystery to me.”
“Fair guess: he’s been #1 on the speaker list at his local chapters of the KKK, Aryan Race, Neo Nazi, and White Supremacist groups, he’s decided he’s got important things to say.”
This is all that is in K9 dean empty head.
recount here – BBD regurgitates the word racist and hate seven times.
No debate. Check.
Just berates. Check.
When volks get loud, vulgar and violate they have nothing
constructive to add. They become grammar NAZI and leftists.
Just like babies (who or whom)(the other grammar NAZI dean) do
not get their wishes wine and cry like babies.
You are a racist hatemonger. You do it regularly here. Don’t dare fucking whine to me about being called out for what you are.
Scum.
You still haven’t supplied any evidence for your racist comments on South Africa.
Of course, you’ve never provided evidence for anything you say.
“So what are your thoughts BillyR? Or are you too afraid of a sound whacking to express them? Are they so indefensible that you don’t dare express them?”
Stevep axes questions but never answers. Check.
Stevep, can not start a civil conservation. Check.
Stevep suffers from Russianophobia. Check.
Stevep, joins this comrades with F-bombs. Check.
BTW, sTEVEp, those hate balloons are the ones
Ha!mas is sending to Isreal via the jet stream.
Have a nice day. Check.
I have a number of “Dick and Jane” books laying
around, which I could donate to you.
“I have a number of “Dick and Jane” books laying
around”
I’m sure you do. I’m just as sure you need someone else to read them to you.
“You still haven’t supplied any evidence for your racist comments on South Africa.
Of course, you’ve never provided evidence for anything you say.”
Fourth post from the top, Professor dean.
Are you being treated for your racistphobia?
You seem to be missing the point.
All racism is bad.
So it’s bad when you do it, and it’s bad when other people do it.
Bad people criticising other bad people for doing the same bad shit they do is called ‘hypocrisy’.
You, as a racist, cannot criticise other racists for being racist.
racistphobia? I’m not afraid of racists, I’m disgusted by them — hence my attitude toward you.
Your problem is, once again, your lack of ability to understand, coupled (I believe) with a strong willingness not to try to understand.
Racism is bad, no matter by whom it is practiced. But — the reason your repeated comments about South Africa are being criticized is that the core of your assertions is false: there is no surge in killings of white farmers — a quick check, if you were to do one, would show that all murders around farms have been decreasing the last few years.
You are also misrepresenting the reasons the South African government is giving for the land issues. You don’t need to agree with the government’s position (I don’t) to point out that your takes and comments on the situation are lies spread by racists.
No, the 4th post does not provide proof of what you’re saying. Try to think about what you said and compare to that.
(I will guess that the “think” part will defeat you.)
Professor Gregg Laden – ” But the story that Donald Trump is trying to sell, about the violet attacks on white land owners and the taking of their land, is nothing other than yet another steaming pile of shit dished out but post Apartheid angry white supremacists, and picked up and amplified by Fox News.”
Professor dean – ” Racism is bad, no matter by whom it is practiced.”
Yes, I concur if it is government sanctioned such as in South Africa.
Professor dean – ” You are also misrepresenting the reasons the South African government is giving for the land issues.”
Sorry dean, however, I have not made any critical comments of the
ANC’s policy to underpay beige farmer for their assets.
Professor dean – ” But — the reason your repeated comments about South Africa are being criticized is that the core of your assertions is false: there is no surge in killings of white farmers — a quick check, if you were to do one, would show that all murders around farms have been decreasing the last few years. ”
If this is true, why no linkies?????? And the murders and crimes against
beige is not restricted to just produce producers.
[White supremacist propoganda and links thereto removed. This blog will not be a launching place for such.]
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-41807642
[Regarding the BBC link, yes, duh, there is a racial aspect to the race war in South Africa. It is very low level now, it has been going on for almost two centuries, it was started by the whites, and the whites have mostly won at every round.]
dickhead billyR, your asinine “beige” crap simply shows how fucking stupid you are. We who have been reading your crap know it, but thanks for making it blatantly clear to people who are new.
Also — good to see you’ve finally admitted racism is bad only when people you hate do it, but not when you do it. For your other comments about South Africa and the (false, in reality) genocide of white farmers.
a) The SA government is not seizing farms.
Offer a price first, negotiate, then use what is essentially eminent domain. Sucks, but it is not what you and the other white supremacists you reference say it is.
There is some bad news:
Those actions, however, have not been put in place. Every modification to original laws that has been made has left the “offer to pay” as the the first move in place, and nothing has been done concerning the 25 thousand acre policy.
For the murder rate: statistics is hard — harder even than basic addition and subtraction seems to be for you. Calculating a murder rate requires a lot of information, and much of it is not available to outside sources here. Specifically, the numbers from the government — ones that are used most often — don’t distinguish between farm owners, farm workers, or people visiting a farm. There seems to be difficulty determining the number of farmers, and without a reasonable number there determining a valid rate isn’t possible. One independent group, Africa Check, has this to say.
This will happen in SA as it did in Rhodesia.
https://yournewswire.com/zimbabwe-white-farmers-return/
Your news wire.
You can’t object to being labeled either.abracidtnor a liar when you continually use sites made by and for racists and liars to “prove” your point. Continually saying racist things and lying your ass off don’t help you either
“You, as a racist, cannot criticise other racists for being racist.”
BBD, LOL, now that is the funnies quote on Professor Gregg Laden
website ever! Have you been pubbing or did you get moted? I placed
it into the Hall of Quote Fame.
So if what you just said, old bean, then this must be true as well.
You, as a liar, can not criticize another liar for being a liar.
How many grammer, BBD? I noticed you miss-spell criticise.
“I notice you …”
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/criticise
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/criticize
Your stupidity is almost beyond belief.
You are a racist hatemonger. Your comments prove it, over and over again.
This latest episode has you peddling the ‘white farmers’ rightwing meme – one designed to stir up race hate while having the fucking brass neck to ask for examples of your racism.
Not sure how much longer your vileness will be tolerated here but hopefully you will be gone soon.
Enough is enough.
My comprehensive post was not published??
http://www.genocidewatch.org/images/White_Genocide_TVA.pdf
Where too many linkies? I do not think so.
The controlling political party the ANC (strong Communists
ideology) endorses the murdering of beige folks.
The President of SA, sings of murdering of minorities.
(he is off key and needs voice lessons)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHLTKZ05zM4
The new apartheid in South Africa.
https://www.dailysabah.com/africa/2016/04/27/more-than-1000-white-farmers-killed-in-south-africa-since-1990
This is undoubtedly an underestimate.
No billyR, it’s a pile of shit put together by bigots like you. I gave a rundown of the accepted numbers earlier.
Professor Dean said that the murder rate for beige
farmers has been declining but so. I will use one of
his most common quotes “Your stupidity is almost beyond belief.”
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-41807642
“More farm murders
According to the best available statistics, farm murders are at their highest level since 2010-11.
South Africa’s Police Service says 74 people were murdered on farms between April 2016 and March 2017, up from 58 in the previous year.
That’s broadly in line with figures collected by the Transvaal Agricultural Union (TAU). They rely on media reports, social media posts and tip-offs from their members, which means they don’t pick up every murder or attack that takes place.
They counted 64 murders on farms in 2015, 71 in 2016, and 68 in the first nine months of 2017 alone.
It is worth noting that both the police and the TAU are counting murdered farmers, farm workers and visitors to farms – irrespective of race.”
“The TAU says most farm murder victims are white. The Police don’t record farm murders by race. ”
“There were 19,016 murders in South Africa in 2016-17, according to the police.
According to Statistics South Africa’s mid-year estimate for 2016, there were 55,908,900 people in South Africa.”
Just think if this was in the good old USA, there would be a total
116.ooo homicides each year!!!
Read the post earlier where I gave the numbers that have been verified, not the bullshit you scrape up.
No, because your numbers have no basis in reality. It is still amusing how you still think using “beige” marks you as anything other than the ignorant POS you’ve always been.
“You are a racist hatemonger. You do it regularly here. Don’t dare fucking whine to me about being called out for what you are. ”
The entire board is begging you for a single example, bloke BBD.
All you lies about how ‘NAZI’ ‘Muslames’ (sic) were responsible for the acid attacks in the UK.
It is unbelievable that you are now pretending not to be a racist hatemonger. Do you actually think anyone here is stupid enough to believe your lies?
https://www.timeslive.co.za/news/south-africa/2017-10-25-farmers-45-times-more-at-risk-of-being-murdered–afriforum/
“Commercial farmers are 4.5 times as likely to get murdered as the South African population as a whole.
This is according the civil rights group AfriForum‚ which released its latest statistics on attacks and murders on farms in Centurion on Wednesday.
According to AfriForum‚ 156 commercial farmers are killed per 100,000. According to the police’s annual crime statistics released on Tuesday‚ 34.1 South Africans are murdered per 100,000 of the population.
AfriForum recorded 70 murders and 357 attacks on farms in 2016.
Deputy CEO Ernst Roets said the group was being “deliberately conservative” in its numbers.
“We only add cases that we can verify. When we say 70 we mean that we have a list of 70 people that have been murdered.”
Again, debunked numbers billyR. Your lying is predictable but repetitive.
Some people almost instinctively extend a hand of friendship to strangers. Others extend a fist of hatred.
Some people are interested in other peoples and cultures. Others are so fearful that they automatically fear or hate those who are different.
Still others are so arrogant that they think their culture and their bloodline is somehow “pure” or “the best”. Modern genetics shows how stupid the bloodline belief is. Even a cursory knowledge of history shows how stupid the pure culture belief is.
We are currently in a war with a white European culture eminating from Russia. This culture strives continually to set other people against each other. You can thank this culture for igniting the Korean War, the Vietnam War, and thousands of smaller events in the Middle East and around the globe. Those of you who lived through the Cold War can thank Russia for that too. Now adays you can thank this culture for sending out armies of hackers and fake bloggers who interfere with the politics of other countries, just like they helped install the Trump crime family in the US.
I dare BillyR to say something that helps unite people, something that brings people from different cultures and races together, something that diminishes conflict instead of exacerbating it. I dare him to say something against Mother Russia. I dare him to say something against Putin. I think that he can’t, because I think that he is a witting or unwitting agent of Russia.
I also dare BillyR to tell us one of his core beliefs so we can do to it what he does to our supposed beliefs.
Show us your true mettle, BillyR.
And have a nice day.
Obomba like grow rates over the past five years.
Economic situation is growing graver and graver.
since the takeover by the ANC.
https://www.heritage.org/index/country/southafrica
Progress in some areas, failures in many others.
Poor leadership and political ideology.
https://www.economist.com/briefing/2012/10/20/over-the-rainbow
Good post by Stevep. Check.
Reasonable. Check.
No F-bombs. Check.
Wishing dialogue. Check.
“Still others are so arrogant that they think their culture and their bloodline is somehow “pure” or “the best”.”
It is a waste of time to promote the supremacy of one’s culture over another.
All cultures can learn and benefit from others. I do not want Africa to become white
nor Muslame lands to become Christians. I wish that Nippon remains Japanese and
Red China remains Chinese.
I simply do not support nor believe in cultural diversity. Whatever cultural prevailed
should remain so. It is fine to mix colors but not to the point wherein the dominate
one is replaced by a new host.
Nations can only be secure and cohesive, if they maintain it’s language; borders and culture. It is as simple as dat, but then the radicals will find fault with that
outlook.
Stevep, who on the planet want every nation to have the identical makeup?
Is that not the wonders of international travel, to witness and experience
different cultures. Those that lack such a yearning, are likely to as boring
human beings.
It would the same as never altering ones diet. The same three meals, day in
day out.
Time for lunch, Putin and the Russians can wait. My mouth is watering for
my favorite Mexican restaurant – I Caramba!!!
Professor Dean and BBD – how is my grammer doing?
‘Muslame’ is hate speech, Billy boy. Racist hate speech at that, since you lot don’t distinguish between religion and non-Caucasian heritage. Middle East or North Africa – all brownskins to you, eh?
Right, all Americans not directly descended from the First Nations must pack and leave immediately.
Including you, you fucking stupid, racist arsehole.
I didn’t read your entire screed because it would be too much of your racism and flat out stupidity for one day. I’ll simply point out the last part:
“How is my grammer doing?”
Grammar, asshole. Not grammer. Unless you are referring to your grandmother, and I have no idea about that.
Perhaps you can take small parts of your philosophy and deconvolute them for us.
“All cultures can learn and benefit from others”. vs “I simply do not support nor believe in cultural diversity”. Uh, please specify what you mean by the phrase “cultural diversity”. It is a highly ambiguous phrase. On the one hand, you say that cultures can learn and benefit from others. But then you say that you do not support culture diversity, i.e., the existence of multiple cultures. You have immediately said an open minded thing, immediately followed by a highly ambiguous statement that does not lend itself to working with the first. You seem to say it is great to go to different parts of the world and witness different cultures; but then you say that you do not support culture diversity. You don’t see a conflict in that? You ask who wants a world where every nation has identical makeup, and then say that you are against cultural diversity, which suggests you want a monoculture. Please explain.
” It is fine to mix colors but not to the point wherein the dominate [ Did you mean dominate or dominant ?] one is replaced by a new host [What do you mean by host?].” This sentence seems to be close to the core of your believes, but because your word usage is not clear, we really don’t know what exactly you mean. If two people of similar intellect but of highly different colors want to marry and procreate, are you against that? If someone wants to leave an old culture behind because it has obvious drawbacks in modern life , are you against that? If a country’s culture changes over time, for instance, requiring people to compensate others for their labor instead of using slaves, or forbidding child marriage, or forbidding the rape or murder of a woman under any circumstances, is that a bad thing? Cultures change. Cultures grow. Humanity grows when people learn new truths. War does not make humanity grow.
“Nations can only be secure and cohesive, if they maintain it’s language; borders and culture.” That is highly disputable. The US, for instance, has many speakers of languages other than English, and the English language dialects vary widely from region to region. West coast, East coast, midwestern, Appalachin, Southern, all have cultural norms and dialects so different that each is like being in a separate country. So no, I don’t buy that sentence at all.
You throw out a lot of tropes, but none of them give us any clear insight into your core beliefs. I haven’t seen any revelatory truths in your writing.
Here are some of my beliefs. Cultures and languages are fluid and constantly changing. Cultures that do not adapt well to changes tend to become footnotes in history books. Not knowing what is valuable in your own culture makes it difficult to defend those things. And finally, the actions of white nationalists are abhorrent to me and speak of the weaknesses of their beliefs, not their strengths. Inability to see the strength, beauty, and value in others, while decrying the supposed deficiencies of all other races, is, really, a form of blindness. And nothing smashes a stereotype more successfully than meeting someone who defies all your stereotypical beliefs about their group. But you cannot meet others if you are stuck in your tower hurling pot shots at all others. The cowardly actions of the white supremacist who shot black people in their church, or the coward who drove his car through protestors, killing one, is all the proof you need to see that the most extreme white supremacists are mentally deficient in some way. It hardly advances the argument for your race’s intellectual superiority when your most extreme advocates for that position do things so profoundly stupid as those two did.
Teams that have diverse points of view do not get blind sided like teams that can only see things through one lens.
“The land will be taken by whatever means necessary”
“Why [remove] the Mayor of Port Elizabeth? Because [he] is a white man”
“We are cutting the throat of whiteness”
“We are not calling for the slaughtering of white people, at least for now”
Perhaps these have to be taken in context.
Here is singing in South Africa about killing white people.
Nelson Mandela is right there. It’s not clear if he’s singing along, but the white guy next to him is.
Oops. Here’s the link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yC8qQE4Y2Js
And this makes racism good how, Mike?
BillyR remains an hypocrite – will you join him?
mikeN is already a hypocrite bbd, too late for that. Ask him if he read Mandela’s denouncement of violence after he was released from prison, or what he thinks about the system of apartheid. His earlier comment about South Africa on the verge of being another Canada shows he’s either clueless about it or thinks government oppression and discrimination are perfectly fine.
Dean missing the point as usual. In this case it is that racist comments in South Africa about killing white people might not carry the same meaning as here, since we have Nelson Mandela participating.
No mikeN, I didn’t miss the point. You intended to make Mandela seem like a murdering racist his entire life and ignored the facts that he never was a murder, and abandoned all violent and racist approaches to politics while he was in prison.
Don’t try to push your dishonest approach off as a lack of understanding by others.
You reinforce my point. In your opinion, Mandela’s actions there were not representative of a violent or racist approach to politics.
No mikeN, I did not. I get your lie, and explained why you were lying by omission. Everyone understands that you are upset about another black man who worked to overturn a racist system you apparently saw nothing wrong with and supported.
Professor censor Greggg Ladan has censored several
of my posts removing links and a video showing the
President of South Africa, singing to kill beige folks.
GL, is a Leftist hypocrite.
May the Azoola be with you.
Everything the leftist touch, they destroy, including themselves.
Judgement day comes for all; especially the wicked. May God
Almighty have mercy on our souls.
FFS go away, you lunatic.
Yes, how dare someone exert control over what appears on a blog they pay for and support with their own money.
It’s another sign of the dishonesty of “constitutionalists” when they are for individual rights until they realize people they don’t like get to have rights too.
We didn’t need this latest explosion of billyR’s to know he was a person with no integrity, but it certainly does reinforce that fact.