Most (Barely) Americans link Climate Change to California Fire Disaster

Just over half make the link, which is pretty bad since the science says yes, they are linked.

My friend Hunter Cutting at Climate Signals just sent me this clip of a Quinnipiac poll:

The usual suspects are as usual suspect in this travesty.

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40 thoughts on “Most (Barely) Americans link Climate Change to California Fire Disaster

  1. Well, technically speaking, from what I gather you cannot link individual bushfires, heatwaves , floods , droughts, storms, etc .. to Global Overheating (“warming” is too misleadingly mild a word.) but you can certainly link the trend and pattern of increased frequency and severity of these events to it – so yes, the pattern of more and worse is definitely a signal of it but an individual event on its own could theoretically (with ever decreasing accuracy) have nothing to do with Global Overheating.

    Of course, I very, very much doubt those voting for “its not a factor” here are splitting hairs and reasoning like that!

    1. Just for clarity here, I’d certainly vote for yes it is a factor if I was taking that poll. Just being super-pedantic really.

    2. “Imagine every single report ever about the link between cigarette smoking and lung cancer, from the 1960s when the surgeon general’s report came out up to the present day, beginning with the statement that “No single case of lung cancer can be definitively linked to smoking.””
      https://tamino.wordpress.com/2018/07/27/stupid-shit/

      Yes. Warming is too weak. Overheating is far better. Warming doesn’t imply a threat. Overheating does.

  2. https://cliffmass.blogspot.com/2018/08/california-wildfires-is-global-warming.html

    This link is worth repeating. Dear readers, note not a single AGW (HGW)
    has debated the merits of this FACTUAL report.!! Why because it clearly
    refutes the “theory” that there are more wildfires in Brownifornia than ever.

    Those suggesting such events, are either ignorant, specious or simply
    skillful liars.

    More than likely, however, is the leftest mantra of never let a crisis
    go to waste.

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    1. Cliff Mass is a soft denier. He does this shit all the time and only idiots like you are fooled.

      Wildfires are on the increase globally as temperature rises. Whether or not it’s possible to demonstrate – or obfuscate – a trend from California data is irrelevant to two facts:

      1/ It is getting warmer

      2/ This is increasingly causing damage, including wildfires

      Mass can pretend otherwise, but he’s ploughing a lonely furrow towards professional discredit.

  3. “Most (Barely) Americans link Climate Change to California Fire Disaster”

    Bloody Bloke, did you read the OP’s thread title? We are discussing fires
    in the USA and not UN fires.

    “Wildfires are on the increase globally as temperature rises.”

    Any cite(s)?

    “1/ It is getting warmer

    2/ This is increasingly causing damage, including wildfires”

    Your arguments are a farce, as it beguiles the statistical facts
    provided by a governmental unit, which you love so much.

    “but he’s ploughing a lonely furrow towards professional discredit.”

    Elegant prose, your lordship! At least he is laboring with furrows: all
    the while your AGW (HGW) “COMMUNITY” is only providing hot air
    and hysteria, cannibalizing common sense.

    BTW, BBD, where have you been? Were you Moped?
    Watch out, for there are record acid attacks in the UK now.

    1. ” as it beguiles the statistical facts
      provided by a governmental unit”

      If there were any evidence you possessed anything more than the ability to copy the word ‘statistical’ from a dictionary and not make a mistake you would have shown an argument based on facts by now.

    2. BTW, BBD, where have you been? Were you Moped?
      Watch out, for there are record acid attacks in the UK now.

      Who commits these attacks?

  4. “Who commits these attacks?”

    I am un-UK. Criminals and males and
    more than likely a high percentage of
    Muzzie Blokes.

    “Okay. You still lose the argument. ?”

    OK. You are still wong. :<)

    They dean large fires as small of only 1 1/2 square miles.
    Seriously, if that is large to you, then you can Admiral Mongolia's navy.

    Furthermore, your link is only concerned about spring water runoffs
    and an early seasonal change.

    BBD, where you on holiday?

    1. I am un-UK. Criminals and males and
      more than likely a high percentage of
      Muzzie Blokes.

      Un-UK. So no idea. Thanks for confirming that, without any evidence whatsoever, you assert that Muslims are disproportionately responsible for acid attacks in the UK.

      “Okay. You still lose the argument. ?”

      OK. You are still wong. :<)

      Show why Westerling (2016) is wrong then.

      Or this stands:

      Prior work shows western US forest wildfire activity increased abruptly in the mid-1980s. Large forest wildfires and areas burned in them have
      continued to increase over recent decades, with most of the increase in
      lightning-ignited fires. Northern US Rockies forests dominated early
      increases in wildfire activity, and still contributed 50% of the increase in
      large fires over the last decade. However, the percentage growth in wildfire
      activity in Pacific northwestern and southwestern US forests has rapidly
      increased over the last two decades. Wildfire numbers and burned area
      are also increasing in non-forest vegetation types. Wildfire activity appears
      strongly associated with warming and earlier spring snowmelt. Analysis
      of the drivers of forest wildfire sensitivity to changes in the timing of
      spring demonstrates that forests at elevations where the historical mean
      snow-free season ranged between two and four months, with relatively
      high cumulative warm-season actual evapotranspiration, have been most
      affected. Increases in large wildfires associated with earlier spring snowmelt
      scale exponentially with changes in moisture deficit, and moisture deficit
      changes can explain most of the spatial variability in forest wildfire
      regime response to the timing of spring.

      Evidence is a bugger, isn’t it?

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  5. “If there were any evidence you possessed anything more than the ability to copy the word ‘statistical’ from a dictionary and not make a mistake you would have shown an argument based on facts by now.”

    dean, it is only a short five or six page read: the arguments
    are self-evident.

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    1. I read it asshole, and understood it. I doubt you did the first and even if you did I know you didn’t do the second.

  6. “Un-UK. So no idea. Thanks for confirming that, without any evidence whatsoever, you assert that Muslims are disproportionately responsible for acid attacks in the UK. ”

    There were none prior to the NAZI invasive invasion. BBD, I guess you are
    either blind as a bat or a pre-teen. Unless an arrest is made, I suspect most
    of these evil doers, wear helmets and not for safety.

    Westerling and you describe a large fire as any over the size
    of 1 1/2 square miles. LOL Put all of these fires together and
    they are no larger than Road Island or Connecticut.

    I am not questioning Westerling writings, as spring droughts
    and lack of snow fall will result in more fires. That is all he or
    she mentions in their findings, as if the lack of moisture is the
    only cause of forest fire.

    Moreover, the western USA, is bi nature an arid land, thus
    resulting in more wildfires.

    How many wildfires do Floridian have? You have to choices:
    none or few.

    BTW, BBD, were you on holiday or on station?

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    1. So you are now calling Muslims ‘NAZIS’ and referring to those of legal UK citizenship as an ‘invasion’.

      My, what a nasty little racist fuck you are, Billy boy.

      Not to mention a fucking lying toe-rag. The acid attacks are mostly gang-related violence and have nothing to do with the Muslim communities in the UK.

      The sharp recent rise in gang crime is being driven by so-called ‘austerity’ – a rightwing policy of deep funding cuts to everything, including the police force and social services. This socially destructive rightwing policy is a response to the devastation wrought by the banking collapse, itself triggered by a failure of (largely) rightwing governments to regulate the banking industry.

      Funny how the real cause of acid attacks is rooted in rightwing failures, isn’t it, you vicious little racist bastard.

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    2. As for this claim (via Mass) that there’s no trend in Western US wildfires, it is bullshit. He cherry-picked the Californian data to mislead the likes of you. Read the words again:

      Prior work shows western US forest wildfire activity increased abruptly in the mid-1980s. Large forest wildfires and areas burned in them have
      continued to increase over recent decades, with most of the increase in lightning-ignited fires. Northern US Rockies forests dominated early increases in wildfire activity, and still contributed 50% of the increase in large fires over the last decade. However, the percentage growth in wildfire activity in Pacific northwestern and southwestern US forests has rapidly increased over the last two decades. Wildfire numbers and burned area are also increasing in non-forest vegetation types. Wildfire activity appears strongly associated with warming and earlier spring snowmelt. Analysis of the drivers of forest wildfire sensitivity to changes in the timing of spring demonstrates that forests at elevations where the historical mean snow-free season ranged between two and four months, with relativelyhigh cumulative warm-season actual vapotranspiration, have been most affected. Increases in large wildfires ssociated with earlier spring snowmelt scale exponentially with changes in moisture deficit, and moisture deficit changes can explain most of the spatial variability in forest wildfire regime response to the timing of spring.

      You lost the argument.

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  7. BBD, it’s become evident by now that there is no issue on which billyR is unwilling to promote fact-free diatribes straight from the right-wing cesspool of lies. I don’t know how anyone can function by stating all of reality is wrong, but somehow he seems to.

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  8. Right from your link, BBD.

    “The average age of a victim is 29.1, the average age of a suspect 22.9. White Europeans suffered the most attacks, at 43, while men and women suffered 86 and 26 attacks respectively. African-Caribbeans were suspects in 61 attacks, white Europeans in 41. The overwhelming majority of suspects were male.”

    Look what else I found, you multiculturalist bastard.

    ” Allah and acid are both imports from the Muslim world.

    Murders in London, like murders in most major American cities, are driven by gang violence. Behind the shootings, stabbings and acid attacks are gangs. Many of those gangs are made up of first and second generation migrants and settlers from the Muslim world. The UK’s prisons bulge with Muslim convicts. And these criminal gangs naturally feed recruits into Islamic terrorism as they do in Iraq and Syria. ”

    You try to pawn off the problem to gangs but fail to tell
    the readers what their composition is. As always, BBD, you
    are deceitful and clever in your fake truth arguments.

    Go back to skcool, as a Muslame is not a race – dumb ass piss off.

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    1. Let’s see, which to believe: someone who lives in the area, is educated, and has an understanding of issues, or a liar, bigot, racist, congenital liar, all-around typical right-wing POS.

      No dilemma really — believe the person with the education and understanding, loathe the right wing scum.

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    2. Right from your link, BBD.

      Right from my link… fuck-all about Muslims you dishonest, racist bastard.

      Look what else I found, you multiculturalist bastard.

      Which hard-right rathole did you find it in? Because that didn’t come from a reputable non-racist source.

      You try to pawn off the problem to gangs but fail to tell
      the readers what their composition is.

      I said – correctly – that they are not Muslims. I said this to counter the lie you are peddling that gang violence is committed disproportionately by Muslims.

      Now you’re doubling down on your racist lies instead of admitting that you are a liar and a racist peddling Islamophobic crap about UK crime. Fuck off with your nonsense.

      Go back to skcool, as a Muslame is not a race – dumb ass piss off.

      Second time you’ve tried to pretend that your racist hate speech isn’t racist hate speech. Don’t bother doing it again.

    3. Allah and acid are both imports from the Muslim world.

      Bullshit. Acid throwing came from Jamaica. It was a Yardie thing back in the day and then spread over the last few years to all the little toe-rags who fancy themselves as hardnuts but haven’t got the bottle to use a knife or a gun.

    1. Your original lie concerned acid attacks which are often part of gang violence. You have yet to provide any evidence whatsoever that the perpetrators of said violence are Muslims. Trying to divert off to incarceration stats is a trick to take the heat off the fact that you are a vicious, lying, racist bastard peddling Islamophobic hate speech on this blog.

      “The majority of violent inner-city crime is committed by black men, police figures suggest.

      Doesn’t say ‘black male Muslims’ because for the most part, they aren’t fucking Muslims. The only people going around saying that are the race hate brigade, trying to stir up Islamophobia as part of their general hate campaign directed at anybody who isn’t white. And a racist.

      Oh, while we are on the subject, lets not forget
      all of those rape grooming gangs, which were 90%
      muzzies.

      A horrible truth that I do not dispute. So stick to the facts and keep your racist lies inside your mouth in future.

  9. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1290047/Metropolitan-Police-crime-statistics-reveal-violent-criminals-black–victims.html

    “The majority of violent inner-city crime is committed by black men, police figures suggest.

    But the statistics also show that black men are twice as likely to be victims of such crimes.

    Police hold black men responsible for more than two-thirds of shootings and more than half of robberies and street crimes in London, according to figures released by Scotland Yard.

    The statistics released under Freedom of Information laws have provoked a debate about the racial make-up of violent crime in the capital.

    The data, which provides the ethnicity of the 18,091 men and boys who police took action against in London during 2009-10, looked at both violent and sexual offences.

    It found that 67 per cent of those caught by police for gun crimes were black.

    Among those proceeded against for street crimes, including muggings, assault with intent to rob and snatching property, 54 per cent were black males.

    On sex offences, black men made up 32 per cent of all male suspects, with 49 per cent of those apprehended by police being white men.

    The statistics also suggest that police hold black women accountable for a disproportionate amount of violent crime. On knife crime, 45 per cent of suspected female perpetrators were black.

    Among those women and girls police took action against for gun crime, 58 per cent were black and in robberies that figure was 52 per cent. ”

    BBD, must live in a country manor. immuned from urban center
    problems of crime and poverty. He is a squire of high standings.

    The right fights evil, the left fights for social justice.

    Volks, which planet do you wish to live on??

    In any case, His Squireship is looking for a well qualified butler.

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  10. “Let’s see, which to believe: someone who lives in the area, is educated, and has an understanding of issues, or a liar, bigot, racist, congenital liar, all-around typical right-wing POS.

    No dilemma really — believe the person with the education and understanding, loathe the right wing scum.”

    Another forceful argument by Dr K9 dean, with a baccalaureate in
    regurgitating lies and falsehoods. One must wonder why he is not
    confined to a “health” institution.

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    1. Upvoting your own comments again douche-bag? No surprise. And the fact that you are incapable of understanding what studies say is on clear view in your mindless regurgitation above.

      TLDNR: billyR is the epitome of intellectually empty, morally bankrupt, liars.

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  11. Global Newspeak:

    Global sea ice extent is only two standard deviations below average for this day of the year. That can’t be bad can it?

    July 2018 Land and ocean temperatures were the 136th coolest out of 139 years of records. Isn’t that cool?

    183 stations across the globe recorded new high maximum temperatures for July. But 232 stations across the globe recorded new high minimum temperatures for July! See, they don’t tell you about the record high minimum temperatures, just the record high maximums!

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    1. Global sea ice extent is only two standard deviations below average for this day of the year. That can’t be bad can it?

      Technically, the answer depends on the form of the usual distribution.

    2. The carbon cycle feedbacks have a good chance of delivering a terrible bite in our arse somewhere down the track we are following. The unprecedented (ie unnatural) rate and magnitude of warming mean bets off on this, IMHO. Same goes for extinction impacts.

  12. Professor Hoffman, urges all AGWers (HGW) to either join
    his confederation or take part in his new study course.

    https://www.chalmers.se/en/departments/tme/centres/ceforced/Pages/default.aspx

    MORE BAD NEWS:

    https://www.sierraclub.org/sierra/democratic-party-has-climate-change-problem

    It is the end game for climatic alarmists – worldwide. With such radical rhetoric
    you will gain no supporters nor believers. This is apparent on this website,
    as pro-AGW forces will not give a single inch in any arguments. The sole exception,
    is the site administrator, GL.

    There is no interest in compromise, only fiat demands from climatic alarmists (not
    to mention the name calling).

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/1002422/Apocalypse-2040-MIT-computer-model-civilisation-world-end-Club-of-Rome

    “A COMPUTER MODEL developed in 1973 by a team of MIT researchers has predicted the “end of civilised life as we know it” by 2040, with a major change coming in 2020 – just two years away from now.”

    You Romeolists will love the first video, bi a Brit Bloke.

    Add this to your list (for grimsters, grim news).

    http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2018/07/31/1810141115/tab-figures-data

    Orbitwatch.org

    1. “A COMPUTER MODEL developed in 1973 …”

      What kind of idiot trots out something from 1973 as an attempt to discredit all of the advances since? (Check to see who posted it.)

      Oh, that kind of idiot.

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