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		<title>Righting America: An odd book that you may like but that made me squirm</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[Righting America at the Creation Museum (Medicine, Science, and Religion in Historical Context) is a strange book and I do not fully approve of it, even though I&#8217;m mentioned in it (not in a bad way). Here is the write-up of the book provided by the publisher: On May 28, 2007, the Creation Museum opened &#8230; <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/04/11/righting-america-an-odd-book-that-you-may-like-but-that-made-me-squirm/" class="more-link">Continue reading <span class="screen-reader-text">Righting America: An odd book that you may like but that made me squirm</span> <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a target="_blank" href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1421419513/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=9325&#038;creativeASIN=1421419513&#038;linkCode=as2&#038;tag=grlasbl0a-20&#038;linkId=088e7e2523224e7d0e581b32ed537592">Righting America at the Creation Museum (Medicine, Science, and Religion in Historical Context)</a><img decoding="async" src="//ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com/e/ir?t=grlasbl0a-20&#038;l=am2&#038;o=1&#038;a=1421419513" width="1" height="1" border="0" alt="" style="border:none !important; margin:0px !important;" /> is a strange book and I do not fully approve of it, even though I&#8217;m mentioned in it (not in a bad way).</p>
<p>Here is the write-up of the book provided by the publisher:</p>
<blockquote><p>On May 28, 2007, the Creation Museum opened in Petersburg, Kentucky. Aimed at scientifically demonstrating that the universe was created less than ten thousand years ago by a Judeo-Christian god, the museum is hugely popular, attracting millions of visitors over the past eight years. Surrounded by themed topiary gardens and a petting zoo with camel rides, the site conjures up images of a religious Disneyland. Inside, visitors are met by dinosaurs at every turn and by a replica of the Garden of Eden that features the Tree of Life, the serpent, and Adam and Eve.</p>
<p>In Righting America at the Creation Museum, Susan L. Trollinger and William Vance Trollinger, Jr., take readers on a fascinating tour of the museum. The Trollingers vividly describe and analyze its vast array of exhibits, placards, dioramas, and videos, from the Culture in Crisis Room, where videos depict sinful characters watching pornography or considering abortion, to the Natural Selection Room, where placards argue that natural selection doesn’t lead to evolution. The book also traces the rise of creationism and the history of fundamentalism in America.</p>
<p>This compelling book reveals that the Creation Museum is a remarkably complex phenomenon, at once a &#8220;natural history&#8221; museum at odds with contemporary science, an extended brief for the Bible as the literally true and errorless word of God, and a powerful and unflinching argument on behalf of the Christian right.</p></blockquote>
<p>So, having read that, what do you think the book is about? What do you think the motivations of the authors are? Do you think this book is pro or con on the museum, on creationism, on evolution, on science, on science education?</p>
<p>Can&#8217;t tell, can you?</p>
<p>I am going to guess &#8212; and this is just a guess but an educated one &#8212; that the authors have intentionally made the position on creationism and evolution as ambiguous as possible in order to allow themselves to carry out, or to appear to carry out, a truly dispassionate and fair analysis of an interesting phenomenon, as academics with expertise in certain areas.</p>
<p>That sounds like a good thing, right? Well, it sounds like a good thing because I made it sound like a good thing.  Let me try again.</p>
<p>It seems to me that these authors have carried out a real act of damage against the integrity of the academic enterprise, and against education and society in general, by failing to take a reasoned and fact based stand against what is widely recognized and easily proven as a huge stinking pile of dreckory.  (We are open to suggestions on the spelling of &#8220;dreckory.&#8221;)</p>
<p>The Mennonite News review of this book says:</p>
<blockquote><p>The book is not a defense of evolution but a comprehensive critique of the museum and the movement behind it. The writing is measured, devoid of bombast and bile, which makes the book effective as the authors rely on facts and cogent arguments. They describe exhibits that don’t adhere to stated principles, opportunistic applications of Scripture and dubiously employed uses of theology, history and science — all in a facility that douses visitors with a flood of information in a fast-paced environment that obscures the shortcomings. The Trollingers “slow it all down” so readers can more fully understand the Creation Museum.</p></blockquote>
<p>But when we read these parts of the book, we do not see the authors describing exhibits or other aspects of the museum in a negative way, but rather, almost perfectly neutral.</p>
<p>One conservative Christian reviewer wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>
At the outset let me say that this is not a book that I would recommend for your bedside table. It is neither enjoyable as a reading experience nor does it present a convincing argument. However, for Christians, especially conservative Christians who aim to take the Bible seriously, this book is important. I chose to read and review this book because I believe that it is vital for Christians to be aware of how liberal Christians and unbelievers talk with each other about us, conservatives. We need to know what arguments they find convincing. Don’t be mistaken, this book was not written for conservatives; it was written by two liberal Christians for liberal Christians and unbelievers.</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8230; but when I read the text, while I don&#8217;t see apologetics, I see very little negative about fundamentalism (though Ken Ham himself takes some criticism).</p>
<p>Another review:</p>
<blockquote><p>This is a thorough book, a measured book, a calm and reasonable book. It examines the young Earth Creationism of Answers in Genesis from both a social and a historical perspective, pointing out the gaping flaws in its own internal logic (for instance, placards warning that the physical process of the Flood was unlike anything else in history and placards comparing it to rain washing out a gully are about ten feet away from each other in the same room) and rounding things off with a mild admonition about how far such lunacy strays from the true essence of contemporary Christianity…a comprehensive, you-are-there overview of the center of what Ken Ham clearly hopes to be a network of such faux museums.</p></blockquote>
<p>This reviewer finds lunacy in the flood myth, but if you didn&#8217;t know about the flood myth, fundamentalism, creationism, all that, and read large passages in Righting America, you would not find a reference to lunacy, and it would be hard to find an argument against the flood myth&#8217;s veracity.</p>
<p>People are seeing what they want to see in this book. I&#8217;m seeing balance and restraint.  I don&#8217;t like balance and restraint when it comes to vicious, well funded, and coordinated attacks on education and society, and on science.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s some more text from lay readers (not professional reviewers) to give more of a flavor:</p>
<blockquote><p>This excellent book provides insight into fundamentalism, creationism and Ken Hamm&#8217;s &#8220;Answers In Genesis&#8221; organization. The book describes in detail the contents and informational structure of the Creation Museum and examines both the museum itself and the arguments presented within. The book presents analysis of the space as a museum, the arguments as they pertain to science and the Bible, and the overall movements of fundamentalism and creationism as they impact America&#8217;s political landscape. </p>
<p>This is an incredibly informative read for anyone curious about fundamentalist Christianity and the baffling arguments of young Earth creationists. I&#8217;m incredibly proud that the book&#8217;s two authors are faculty of my alma mater, the University of Dayton!</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>The Trollingers take their subject at hand seriously. After visiting the Creation Museum several times, thoroughly examining their literature (journals and elementary education pamphlets), discovering influential individuals&#8217; histories, they spend several chapters simply laying out a comprehensive picture of the Creation Museum. They compare it to evolutionary natural history museums, then compare the museum with their own stated goals. The whole book is thoughtful, does not come to conclusions easily, and is respectful of the whole evolutionary/creation debate throughout. Highly recommended</p></blockquote>
<p>And here&#8217;s another:</p>
<blockquote><p>But Susan and William Vance Trollinger, married scholars (of English and history, respectively) at the University of Dayton, 70 miles from the Petersburg, Kentucky museum, do not ridicule this cultural phenomenon (as, for example, A. A. Gill did in Vanity Fair: “It is irredeemably kitsch…This cheap county-fair sideshow – this is their best shot?”). Perhaps the Trollingers assume that we readers will supply such disparagement ourselves. But their academic detachment and methodical critical assessment offer the best way to penetrate the topic. “As bizarre as the museum may seem to many Americans,” they write, “what happens inside its doors matters to all of us.”</p></blockquote>
<p>I think you get the point.</p>
<p>I regard this aspect of the book as either a conceit of the academic, and that annoys the bejesus out of me, or a smoke screen. I&#8217;m pretty sure it is the former but I can not be sure, and that is the price one pays for this approach; uncertainty about motivation and intended meaning.</p>
<p>Other than all that, it is an interesting book and an interesting analysis. But, marred by what seems to be a motivated encasement in an unnecessarily ambiguous framework.</p>
<p>I know what you are thinking. An excellent piece of academic work should be dispassionate, should be ambiguous about taking sides, or avoid taking sides at all, bla bla bla.</p>
<p>To that I respond that for one, a piece of academic work that appears to not be taking sides is always taking sides.  For two, this is not an issue in which one does not take sides.</p>
<p>I do think most people interested in the issue of creationism and evolution will find <a target="_blank" href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1421419513/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=9325&#038;creativeASIN=1421419513&#038;linkCode=as2&#038;tag=grlasbl0a-20&#038;linkId=088e7e2523224e7d0e581b32ed537592">Righting America at the Creation Museum (Medicine, Science, and Religion in Historical Context)</a><img decoding="async" src="//ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com/e/ir?t=grlasbl0a-20&#038;l=am2&#038;o=1&#038;a=1421419513" width="1" height="1" border="0" alt="" style="border:none !important; margin:0px !important;" /> to be an interesting read. But I did not want to let this particular fastball go by the plate without smashing it with a bit of reality.</p>
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		<title>What happened to the dinosaurs?</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2015 19:22:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Did you ever wonder? And if you did wonder, did you Google it? And if you did google it, did you get the results shown above? And if you did, did you click &#8220;feedback&#8221; and do something like the following? No? Do so now, please. This is important. Why? Because we have been hearing rumors &#8230; <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/05/26/what-happened-to-the-dinosaurs/" class="more-link">Continue reading <span class="screen-reader-text">What happened to the dinosaurs?</span> <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you ever wonder? And if you did wonder, did you Google it? And if you did google it, did you get the results shown above? And if you did, did you click &#8220;feedback&#8221; and do something like the following?</p>
<p><a href="https://i0.wp.com/scienceblogs.com/gregladen/files/2015/05/Screen-Shot-2015-05-26-at-2.02.10-PM.png"><img fetchpriority="high" decoding="async" src="https://i0.wp.com/scienceblogs.com/gregladen/files/2015/05/Screen-Shot-2015-05-26-at-2.02.10-PM.png?resize=478%2C599" alt="Screen Shot 2015-05-26 at 2.02.10 PM" width="478" height="599" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-21196" data-recalc-dims="1" /></a></p>
<p>No? Do so now, please.</p>
<p>This is important. Why? Because we have been hearing rumors lately that Google intends to change the way it produces searches to bias the search results in the direction of more reliable sites. But the number one search result for a key question that a lot of people ask about evolution is a bogus creationist site.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never, for one moment, gone along with the idea that Google can pull off a better, more reliable search based on the Google view of what sites are more reliable.  My position on this has annoyed many of my colleagues.  The promise of the Internet being less bogus and more educational is attractive.  But it is a siren call. Regarding this particular issue I&#8217;ll claim the role of Galileo until proven otherwise.</p>
<p><a href="https://i0.wp.com/scienceblogs.com/gregladen/files/2015/05/Screen-Shot-2015-05-26-at-9.57.27-PM.png"><img decoding="async" src="https://i0.wp.com/scienceblogs.com/gregladen/files/2015/05/Screen-Shot-2015-05-26-at-9.57.27-PM.png?resize=604%2C918" alt="Screen Shot 2015-05-26 at 9.57.27 PM" width="604" height="918" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-21199" data-recalc-dims="1" /></a></p>
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<p>Also of interest: <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/sungudogo/"><strong>In Search of Sungudogo:</strong> A novel of adventure and mystery</a>, set in the Congo. </p>
<li><a href="http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2014/04/24/10-or-20-things-to-do-after-installing-ubuntu-14-04-trusty-tahr/">10 Or 20 Things To Do After Installing Ubuntu 14.04 Trusty Tahr</a></li>
<pre><code>&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2010/09/17/the-wrong-way-to-approach-the-1/"&gt;The Wrong Way to Approach the Evolution-Creationism Debate&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;

&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2008/08/25/back-to-school-special-what-to/"&gt;What to do with Bible thumping students&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;

&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2008/03/04/teachers-under-fire/"&gt;Teachers Under Fire&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;

&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2011/11/17/the-problem-with-our-system-of/"&gt;The problem with our system of science education is …&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2011/09/06/back-to-school-your-letter-to/"&gt;Your Letter to you Child’s Life Science Teacher&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2010/09/15/the-irony-of-henry-adams-the-m/"&gt;A teacher affects eternity; he can never tell where his influence stops.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
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		<title>Answers in Genesis Provides New Example Of Irony</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2015 13:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Louisville Insider is reporting that Answers In Genesis has filed an injunction to try to force the state of Kentucky to help pay for their religious theme park. The State had chosen to pull back from the project because Answers in Genesis would not guarantee that there would be no discrimination in hiring based &#8230; <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/03/17/answers-in-genesis-provides-new-example-of-irony/" class="more-link">Continue reading <span class="screen-reader-text">Answers in Genesis Provides New Example Of Irony</span> <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Louisville Insider is reporting that Answers In Genesis has filed an injunction to try to force the state of Kentucky to help pay for their religious theme park.  The State had chosen to pull back from the project because Answers in Genesis would not guarantee that there would be no discrimination in hiring based on religious belief.  Now, Answers in Genesis is claiming that having taxpayers not pay for a part of a religious spectacle is discrimination based on religion.</p>
<p><a href="http://insiderlouisville.com/metro/answers-genesis-seeks-injunction-state-push-ark-encounter-tax-incentives/">From the Insider:</a></p>
<blockquote><p>In its motion on Monday, Ark Encounter seeks to force the Tourism Cabinet to send the incentives application to the Tourism Development Finance Authority for approval, making the project eligible for $18 million in sales tax rebates.</p>
<p>“The state gave us no choice but to bring this legal action,” said AiG president Ken Ham, the self-described “visionary” behind the park, in a news release. “We, along with our attorneys, tried for many months to show these officials why their actions are blatantly violating our rights under the federal and state constitutions, as well as the federal Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Kentucky Civil Rights Act. The law is crystal clear that the state cannot discriminate against a Christian group simply because of its viewpoint, but that is precisely what is happening here.”</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>Ed Hensley of the Kentucky Secular Society said in a news release following AiG’s February lawsuit that the ministry’s acknowledgment of backtracking on the pledge proves that their logic is twisted.</p>
<p>“Claiming it is religious discrimination not to let Ark Encounter, a for-profit company, practice religious discrimination in employment while receiving public tax incentives is the very definition of irony,” said Hensley.</p></blockquote>
<p>Hat Tip: Joe</p>
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		<title>Undeniable by Bill Nye</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2014 00:36:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Currently listening to Undeniable: Evolution and the Science of Creation by Bill Nye, the aduio book. I&#8217;ll be reviewing it on on Scienceblogs at a later time. It does take a while to get through an audio book.]]></description>
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Currently listening to <a href='http://www.powells.com/partner/41349/biblio/9781250007131?p_ti' title='More info about this book at powells.com' rel='powells-9781250007131'>Undeniable: Evolution and the Science of Creation</a> by Bill Nye, the aduio book.  I&#8217;ll be reviewing it on on <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/">Scienceblogs</a> at a later time.  It does take a while to get through an audio book.</p>
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		<title>Bill Nye on the Inside Story of the Nye-Ham Debate</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2014 13:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You will recall that last February, Bill Nye, the Science Guy, debated Ken Ham, the Not-So-Science Guy, on the question of creationism as a viable explanation for the Earth&#8217;s history. The debate was held in Ham&#8217;s home territory, at the infamous Creation Museum in Kentucky. Nye didn&#8217;t really debate Ham. He ate him for breakfast. &#8230; <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2014/04/17/bill-nye-on-the-inside-story-of-the-nye-ham-debate/" class="more-link">Continue reading <span class="screen-reader-text">Bill Nye on the Inside Story of the Nye-Ham Debate</span> <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You will recall that last February, Bill Nye, the Science Guy, <a href="http://www.billnye.com/">debated Ken Ham</a>, the Not-So-Science Guy, on the question of creationism as a viable explanation for the Earth&#8217;s history.  The debate was held in Ham&#8217;s home territory, at the infamous Creation Museum in Kentucky.  Nye didn&#8217;t really debate Ham.  He ate him for breakfast.  Form now on we shall call him Ken Bacon and Eggs.</p>
<p>Anyway, people, including me, who have been engaged with the &#8220;debate&#8221; between science (evolution) and not-so-science (creationism of one kind or another) were very concerned when we heard that this debate might happen. There are reasons to not engage in such a debate.  We worried.  But then the debate happened and we saw the debate and the debate made us glad.  Word.</p>
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<p>Well, in May 2014, which as far as I can tell is in the future (Bill Nye has some amazing powers!) Bill Nye published an Article in the Center for Inquiry&#8217;s Skeptical Inquirer about the debate: <a href="http://www.csicop.org/si/show/bill_nyes_take_on_the_nye-ham_debate/">Bill Nye’s Take on the Nye-Ham Debate</a>.  In it, Nye gives the story of how the debate came to be, what his concerns and hopes were, how he prepared, what happened during the debate, and the debate&#8217;s aftermath.  I think Nye&#8217;s explanation for his decision to debate is very much worth a read and can be appreciated by anyone interested in this topic.  His description of the debate itself is fascinating, as inside stories often are.  Also of great interest are Nye&#8217;s comments on an aspect of this debate that concerned several people: The way in which the debate was used, or perhaps, was not used, as a means of fund raising.  Nye opens up questions that he suggests may be best addressed by the community of journalists in Kentucky.  Hopefully that will happen.</p>
<p>I strongly recommend that you <a href="http://www.csicop.org/si/show/bill_nyes_take_on_the_nye-ham_debate/">read Bill Nye&#8217;s essay</a>.  It is very interesting, and I very much appreciate his writing it.</p>
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		<title>Twin Cities Creation Science Fair 2014</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Feb 2014 15:35:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As PZ Myers points out, it is time for the Twin Cities Creation Science Fair! It is this Saturday, details here. Lorax is going. Normally, those of us from the science community who go to this simply show up and wander around looking at the exhibits and talk science to the kids. No shenanigans. Also, &#8230; <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2014/02/13/twin-cities-creation-science-fair-2014/" class="more-link">Continue reading <span class="screen-reader-text">Twin Cities Creation Science Fair 2014</span> <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As <a href="http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2014/02/12/its-creation-science-fair-time/">PZ Myers points out</a>, it is time for the Twin Cities Creation Science Fair! It is this Saturday, <a href="http://tccsa.tc/fair/index.html">details here</a>. <a href="http://angrybychoice.fieldofscience.com/">Lorax is going</a>.</p>
<p>Normally, those of us from the science community who go to this simply show up and wander around looking at the exhibits and talk science to the kids.  No shenanigans.  Also, we often go to a nearby venue and get lunch.  Last year it was Grumpy&#8217;s.</p>
<p>Over the years, I think, the quality of the exhibits has gone up and the attention to the usual &#8220;creation science&#8221; myths has gone down. I like to think that a bunch of evolutionary biologists showing up every year has made a difference.</p>
<p>They still put Bible quotes on every exhibit, of course.</p>
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		<title>LOL Creationists</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Feb 2014 13:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Not work safe especially if you work in a church: 2+2=5. Slap. Oh sorry. This blog does not endorse all of the methods used in this video. But this blog did ROFLMAO. Hat tip Bunny.]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Not work safe</strong> <em>especially if you work in a church</em>:</p>
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<p>2+2=5.  <a href="http://www.cultofdusty.com/">Slap</a>. Oh sorry.</p>
<p>This blog does not endorse all of the methods used in this video.  But this blog did ROFLMAO.</p>
<p>Hat tip Bunny.</p>
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		<title>Bill Nye&#039;s Debate Victory Lap on The Last Word</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Feb 2014 18:20:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Bill Nye &#8220;The Science Guy&#8221; went to the Creation Museum to debate &#8220;is creation a viable model of origins in today&#8217;s modern scientific era?&#8221; After the debate, Bill Nye came to the Last Word to discuss his faceoff with the founder of the Creation Museum, Ken Ham. Nye said he accepted the debate challenge because &#8230; <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2014/02/05/bill-nyes-debate-victory-lap-on-the-last-word/" class="more-link">Continue reading <span class="screen-reader-text">Bill Nye&#039;s Debate Victory Lap on The Last Word</span> <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Bill Nye &#8220;The Science Guy&#8221; went to the Creation Museum to debate &#8220;is creation a viable model of origins in today&#8217;s modern scientific era?&#8221; After the debate, Bill Nye came to the Last Word to discuss his faceoff with the founder of the Creation Museum, Ken Ham.</p>
<p>Nye said he accepted the debate challenge because the spread of creationism &#8220;frightens&#8221; him. &#8220;I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;m going to win Mr. Ham over any more than Mr. Ham thinks he&#8217;s going to win me over,&#8221; Nye said. &#8220;Instead, I want to show people that this belief is still among us. It finds its way onto school boards in the United States.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ham, on the other side, told TheBlaze why he challenged Nye to the debate. &#8220;I just think it&#8217;s really healthy for the public to actually hear two people like this that are really polar opposites in many ways,&#8221; he said, &#8220;because what you believe about who you are [and] where you came from affects your whole worldview.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
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		<title>Who won the Bill Nye &#8211; Ken Ham Debate? Bill Nye!</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Feb 2014 15:03:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In the Spring of 2010, evangelical Bible scholar Bruce Waltke, in speaking about the overwhelming evidence for evolution, said “To deny that reality will make us a cult, some odd group that is not really interacting with the real world.” In response to this, Ken Ham, president of Kentucky’s Creation Museum, commented, “What he is &#8230; <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2014/02/05/who-won-the-bill-nye-ken-ham-debate-bill-nye/" class="more-link">Continue reading <span class="screen-reader-text">Who won the Bill Nye &#8211; Ken Ham Debate? Bill Nye!</span> <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the Spring of 2010, evangelical Bible scholar Bruce Waltke, in speaking about the overwhelming evidence for evolution, <a href="http://www.jrdkirk.com/2010/03/30/bruce-waltke-evolution-or-cult/">said</a> “To deny that reality will make us a cult, some odd group that is not really interacting with the real world.”</p>
<p>In <a href="http://www.patheos.com/blogs/getreligion/2010/04/an-evolving-story/">response</a> to this, Ken Ham, president of Kentucky’s Creation Museum, commented, “What he is saying ultimately undermines the authority of God’s word.”</p>
<p>Both statements seem to be true. (I don’t think you necessarily need to have faith in a god to accept the basic logic of Ham’s statement.) Also, that’s really all you need to know about young earth creationism. It is God’s word, and the FAQ on the matter is the Bible.</p>
<p>Last night, science communicator Bill Nye <a href="http://www.billnye.com/">debated</a> Ken Ham at Ham’s Creation Museum in Kentucky. This debate came about because of a statement Bill Nye made not long ago suggesting that creationism, and in particular efforts to force creationism into textbooks and, via other means, into classrooms, does harm to children and ultimately to society. Ham took that statement as a cue to challenge Nye to a debate, and Nye accepted.</p>
<p>Many people, myself included, objected to Bill Nye’s acceptance of this challenge. The reasons for that objection are outlined <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2014/01/02/i-think-bill-nye-is-great-but-i-think-hes-making-a-mistake/">here</a>, and <a href="http://ncse.com/blog/2014/02/getting-ready-nye-ham-debate-0015367">here</a>. I need not repeat them.</p>
<p>The debate happened last night. When it comes to creationism, I admit that I am not an objective observer, but I can try. I think Ken Ham did fine in that debate. He spoke before his own audience. A remarkably white but gender and age diverse gathering of followers of the Bible and believers in creationism seem to have responded well to Ham. His rhetoric was consistent. We know everything, we understand the most important issues of origins, creation, and evolution, and all of this information comes mainly from the Bible. There are a few other details.</p>
<p>At the same time, however, Bill Nye also did well in this debate, objectively speaking. He presented science, science, science and more science. He presented the science clearly, convincingly, chose his examples well, personalized the discussion wherever possible even to the point of doing a Lewis Black moment (pulling out a fossil he had picked up earlier in the week!). During the few moments when we were allowed to see the evangelical audience during Bill Nye’s presentation they looked, frankly, charmed. And how could they not be, Bill Nye is a charming guy!</p>
<p>In my view, again biased in favor of science because, well, because it’s the correct view, Bill Nye won the debate by a large margin. Friends on Twitter and Facebook equated the debate to the Superbowl, with Bill Nye being the Seahawks and Ken Ham being Denver. Apt. Perhaps even an understatement. Even a poll on a Christian web site <a href="http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2014/02/04/shall-we-decide-who-won-the-creationdebate-with-a-poll/">gave a strong win to Nye</a></p>
<p>One could say that it was easy. Bill Nye made it look easy. He focused on the science, as I mentioned, but he also frequently applied that science to Ken Ham’s young earth creationism. One might wonder if Noah’s Ark could have stayed afloat during the great flood, with all those animals on it, for as long as the Bible says it did. But during this debate, Bill Nye sunk that Ark again and again. In addition to an excellent and convincing high altitude view of evolutionary science, and effective deconstruction of young earth creationism, Nye also made frequent and engaging references to the amazing outcome of unfettered scientific study and technology, which I think helps people appreciate and personalized science. He even made an argument from patriotism (not a scientific argument for evolution, but an argument for honest pursuit of knowledge).</p>
<p>Ken Ham’s argument for the young age of the Earth was unassailable. The Bible tells us the age of the Earth, period. Ham claims all of the dating methods are fallible, none are as good as eye witness evidence. (That would be God.) This is unassailable because it is untestable, but based on good science, we can say it is wrong. But you can’t really do much about a religious belief. Ham presented counter evidence contrary to the generally accepted science, but it was the usual bogus, incorrect, easily dismissed set of arguments. For example, some really old stuff was dated to really old (as it is) with the potassium argon method but to only 40-something thousand years using radiocarbon dating. The reason for that, of course, is that radiocarbon dating generally does not function beyond 40-something thousand years old, so all older material produces a young date with that particular method. If you measure the height of a great mountain with a ruler, the mountain will come out to be one foot tall, unless you get a bigger ruler. Also, somewhere in there I think Ken Ham made the argument that we should not wear clothes. Yet he was wearing clothes. Please explain.</p>
<p>An edited version of this debate, with just the Bill Nye parts, will make an excellent overview of why evolutionary biology is the way to go and young earth creationism is not.</p>
<p>There were definitely several moment where I wish I could have jumped on the stage and given Bill’s answer for him. For example, Ham scored a point by deconstructing functional interpretations of mammalian dental anatomy, in relation to the question of whether all the animals were vegetarians during Ark-times. I could have crushed that response in a way that would introduce even more evidence for evolution. But Bill Nye is an expert in other areas. Moreover, Bill Nye did the right thing by not responding to most of Ham’s specific points, but rather, continuing to return to his own main points. Nye, in a sense, provided a slower and more ponderous, and well done, science version of the Gish Gallop. He had a number of powerful points and stuck to them, and mostly avoided going off track.</p>
<p>The fact that Bill Nye <a href="http://ncse.com/blog/2014/02/how-bill-nye-won-debate-0015369">did very well in this debate</a> does not mean that we should all start debating creationists, especially at events with a door charge that goes to support an entity like the Creation Museum. Put a different way: Bill Nye is a professional. DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME. But the widespread concern, including that expressed by yours truly, for this particular debate was wrong. I will be happily be dining on crow today at lunch.</p>
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		<title>Bill Nye at the Creation Museum and Russian Security at Sochi</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Feb 2014 18:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[See the link? It is pretty obvious to me. It seems that terrorists who are really serious, reasonably numerous, presumably well funded, and certainly experienced have threatened to attack the Winter Olympics in Sochi, Russia (both of them). The fallback plan, it is assumed, is that they can&#8217;t attack Sochi so they pick some other &#8230; <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2014/02/04/bill-nye-at-the-creation-museum-and-russian-security-at-sochi/" class="more-link">Continue reading <span class="screen-reader-text">Bill Nye at the Creation Museum and Russian Security at Sochi</span> <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See the link?</p>
<p>It is pretty obvious to me.</p>
<p>It seems that terrorists who are really serious, reasonably numerous, presumably well funded, and certainly experienced have threatened to attack the Winter Olympics in Sochi, Russia (<a href="http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2014/01/30/there-are-two-sochis/">both of them</a>).  The fallback plan, it is assumed, is that they can&#8217;t attack Sochi so they pick some other random locations, maybe in Russia, maybe not, and attack them.  (That is the part about terrorists being cowards, I assume.)</p>
<p>The Russians have security that is probably second to none in the world, or at least on par with the countries that have a lot of experience with this sort of thing and spend considerable resources on evading and avoiding terrorist attacks.  One could say that this is a test of an important question. When terrorists who are among the most likely to succeed are put up against security that is second to none, with plenty of advanced warning (over four years), will the terrorists be able to get past the defenses at Sochi or will they be thwarted?  Truly, this is an historic moment about to happen.  Or not happen, as the case may be.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, in Kentucky, Bill Nye will be debating Ken Ham over the question “Is creation a viable model of origins in today’s modern, scientific era?” (See <a href="http://ncse.com/blog/2014/02/getting-ready-nye-ham-debate-0015367">this post by Josh Rosenau</a> for details and how to watch the debate live.)  As Josh summarizes in his post, and <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2014/01/02/i-think-bill-nye-is-great-but-i-think-hes-making-a-mistake/">as I said here</a>, Bill Nye would have been well advised to not do this debate.  But he decided to so it anyway.  Bill is a practiced and excellent communicator and promotor of science.  Also, over the last few weeks, he has been preparing for this debate, getting coaching from heavyweights such as <a href="http://www.skepticblog.org/author/prothero/">Don Prothero</a>.  But Ken Ham and the Creation Museum are the epitome of modern day Medieval creationism.  It is a little like Sochi&#8230;</p>
<p>This is a test of a less important question than the one that will be taken up by circumstances as Sochi: When creationists who are among the most likely to succeeded in front of an audience are pitted with a leading science communicator with the best possible training and resources, what will happen?</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t watch the debate.  <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2014/02/04/hope-for-climate-change-as-key-issue-2014/">I will be busy doing this</a>.  That&#8217;s a bummer.  But I will watch the recorded version of it (assuming they have such modern technology at a museum with displays showing humans and dinosaurs co-existing).  I hope you watch it and please leave comments below on how you think it went.</p>
<p>One final thing.  Some people are going to be mad at me for equating American Christian Creationists with Chechen Terrorists. I mean to do no such thing.  The core reasons these terrorists exist is because a people has been repressed by a dictatorial regime (several, actually) for many years.  The creationists have no valid reason to be fighting science and ruining education.  At the same time, the terrorists have adopted methods to get what they want that are horrible, immoral, and cowardly and that cause random death, injury, and destruction.  The creationists have adopted methods that are not nearly as horrible, still often immoral, often cowardly, but they generally don&#8217;t hurt anybody physically so that&#8217;s good.  But, anti-science activism has led to a delay in doing something meaningful about climate change over the last decade, so in the end, the anti-science activists in general, including the creationists, will have some accounting to do as well.  Just sayin&#8217;</p>
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