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		By: dean		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2021/11/12/no-more-black-pastors/#comment-955177</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Dec 2021 15:41:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2021/11/12/no-more-black-pastors/#comment-955176&quot;&gt;Lionel A&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;If there is any doubt left about the sanity of many Republicans&quot;

There shouldn&#039;t be, whether they are in government or on the street. Notice that Jeanine Pirro blamed the  Oxford school shooting (here in MI) on “liberal school personnel”?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2021/11/12/no-more-black-pastors/#comment-955176">Lionel A</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;If there is any doubt left about the sanity of many Republicans&#8221;</p>
<p>There shouldn&#8217;t be, whether they are in government or on the street. Notice that Jeanine Pirro blamed the  Oxford school shooting (here in MI) on “liberal school personnel”?</p>
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		By: Lionel A		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lionel A]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Dec 2021 15:38:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If there is any doubt left about the sanity of many Republicans then this should remove it.

&lt;blockquote&gt;A US congressman has posted a Christmas picture of himself and what appears to be his family, smiling and posing with an assortment of guns, just days after four teenagers were killed in a shooting at a high school in Michigan.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/dec/05/republican-thomas-massie-condemned-for-christmas-guns-photo-congressman-michigan-school-shooting&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;Republican Thomas Massie condemned for Christmas guns photo&lt;/a&gt;

Will those people featured be singing any of the carols featured here?

&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.worshiptogether.com/lists/christmas-songs-of-peace/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;Christmas Songs Of Peace&lt;/a&gt;

If so there is a word for their dysfunctional thinking that begins with a &#039;h&#039; and ends with a &#039;t&#039;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If there is any doubt left about the sanity of many Republicans then this should remove it.</p>
<blockquote><p>A US congressman has posted a Christmas picture of himself and what appears to be his family, smiling and posing with an assortment of guns, just days after four teenagers were killed in a shooting at a high school in Michigan.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/dec/05/republican-thomas-massie-condemned-for-christmas-guns-photo-congressman-michigan-school-shooting" rel="nofollow ugc">Republican Thomas Massie condemned for Christmas guns photo</a></p>
<p>Will those people featured be singing any of the carols featured here?</p>
<p><a href="https://www.worshiptogether.com/lists/christmas-songs-of-peace/" rel="nofollow ugc">Christmas Songs Of Peace</a></p>
<p>If so there is a word for their dysfunctional thinking that begins with a &#8216;h&#8217; and ends with a &#8216;t&#8217;.</p>
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		By: Lionel A		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2021/11/12/no-more-black-pastors/#comment-954275</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 2021 16:19:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[That Trump attempted to negate the result of the election is becoming more certain.

&lt;blockquote&gt;But as Trump relayed to them the situation with Pence, he pressed his lieutenants about how to stop Biden’s certification from taking place on 6 January, and delay the certification process to get alternate slates of electors for Trump sent to Congress.

The former president’s remarks came as part of strategy discussions he had from the White House with the lieutenants at the Willard – a team led by Trump lawyers Rudy Giuliani, John Eastman, Boris Epshteyn and Trump strategist Steve Bannon – about delaying the certification.

Multiple sources, speaking to the Guardian on the condition of anonymity, described Trump’s involvement in the effort to subvert the results of the 2020 election.

Trump’s remarks reveal a direct line from the White House and the command center at the Willard. The conversations also show Trump’s thoughts appear to be in line with the motivations of the pro-Trump mob that carried out the Capitol attack and halted Biden’s certification, until it was later ratified by Congress.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/nov/30/donald-trump-called-top-aides-capitol-riot-biden&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;Sources tell Guardian Trump pressed lieutenants at Willard hotel in Washington about ways to delay certification of election result&lt;/a&gt;

Will &#039;he who should not be named&#039; attempt to defend such indefensible conduct.

Be alert USA for increasing attempts to pervert the result of the next POTUS election, there are ominous signs that the politicians favoured by &#039;he who should not be named&#039; are making sly moves to ensure a Repuglican win is a slam dunk.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That Trump attempted to negate the result of the election is becoming more certain.</p>
<blockquote><p>But as Trump relayed to them the situation with Pence, he pressed his lieutenants about how to stop Biden’s certification from taking place on 6 January, and delay the certification process to get alternate slates of electors for Trump sent to Congress.</p>
<p>The former president’s remarks came as part of strategy discussions he had from the White House with the lieutenants at the Willard – a team led by Trump lawyers Rudy Giuliani, John Eastman, Boris Epshteyn and Trump strategist Steve Bannon – about delaying the certification.</p>
<p>Multiple sources, speaking to the Guardian on the condition of anonymity, described Trump’s involvement in the effort to subvert the results of the 2020 election.</p>
<p>Trump’s remarks reveal a direct line from the White House and the command center at the Willard. The conversations also show Trump’s thoughts appear to be in line with the motivations of the pro-Trump mob that carried out the Capitol attack and halted Biden’s certification, until it was later ratified by Congress.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/nov/30/donald-trump-called-top-aides-capitol-riot-biden" rel="nofollow ugc">Sources tell Guardian Trump pressed lieutenants at Willard hotel in Washington about ways to delay certification of election result</a></p>
<p>Will &#8216;he who should not be named&#8217; attempt to defend such indefensible conduct.</p>
<p>Be alert USA for increasing attempts to pervert the result of the next POTUS election, there are ominous signs that the politicians favoured by &#8216;he who should not be named&#8217; are making sly moves to ensure a Repuglican win is a slam dunk.</p>
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		By: dean		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2021/11/12/no-more-black-pastors/#comment-954038</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 2021 15:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;How can anybody in their right mind, sound of thought and unfettered by rotten ideology give Rittenhouse a free pass&lt;/blockquote&gt;

People with those characteristics don&#039;t give him a free pass. We&#039;ve heard from the kind of person that does give him one.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>How can anybody in their right mind, sound of thought and unfettered by rotten ideology give Rittenhouse a free pass</p></blockquote>
<p>People with those characteristics don&#8217;t give him a free pass. We&#8217;ve heard from the kind of person that does give him one.</p>
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		By: Lionel A		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2021/11/12/no-more-black-pastors/#comment-954030</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lionel A]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 2021 14:34:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2021/11/12/no-more-black-pastors/#comment-953992&quot;&gt;Jeffh&lt;/a&gt;.

From the article at your first link Jeffh:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Two weeks before the Kenosha killings, Rittenhouse was captured on video fantasizing about killing African Americans who were leaving a local CVS. Without any evidence, Rittenhouse concludes that they were armed and shoplifting. “It looks like one of them has a weapon,” Rittenhouse asserts in the video. “Bro, I wish I had my F^(&#060;ing AR. l’d start shooting rounds at them.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

How can anybody in their right mind, sound of thought and unfettered by rotten ideology give Rittenhouse a free pass.  I suspect this is not the last we will hear of this murderous little $h!t.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2021/11/12/no-more-black-pastors/#comment-953992">Jeffh</a>.</p>
<p>From the article at your first link Jeffh:</p>
<blockquote><p>Two weeks before the Kenosha killings, Rittenhouse was captured on video fantasizing about killing African Americans who were leaving a local CVS. Without any evidence, Rittenhouse concludes that they were armed and shoplifting. “It looks like one of them has a weapon,” Rittenhouse asserts in the video. “Bro, I wish I had my F^(&lt;ing AR. l’d start shooting rounds at them.”</p></blockquote>
<p>How can anybody in their right mind, sound of thought and unfettered by rotten ideology give Rittenhouse a free pass.  I suspect this is not the last we will hear of this murderous little $h!t.</p>
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		By: dean		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2021/11/12/no-more-black-pastors/#comment-954001</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 2021 12:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2021/11/12/no-more-black-pastors/#comment-953992&quot;&gt;Jeffh&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;blockquote&gt;If he had been black, the outcome of this would have been very different. First, he would almost certainly have been arrested (or shot) by the police on the spot. If not shot, then he would have been subdued and forcibly disarmed.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

If he were black and  hadn&#039;t been grabbed the second he appeared with the gun he would have been shot.
 
 &lt;blockquote&gt;To be honest, I do not think this view of mine is remotely controversial. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Nope. It&#039;s spot on. 

We&#039;ve known this notion that more guns makes things safer is bogus for a long time, but we still get crap like this and, even worse, stand your ground laws that do nothing but increase killings. Add the right-wing terrorists and white supremacists (is there a difference?) and you&#039;ve got the shit show we have now.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2021/11/12/no-more-black-pastors/#comment-953992">Jeffh</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>If he had been black, the outcome of this would have been very different. First, he would almost certainly have been arrested (or shot) by the police on the spot. If not shot, then he would have been subdued and forcibly disarmed.</p></blockquote>
<p>If he were black and  hadn&#8217;t been grabbed the second he appeared with the gun he would have been shot.</p>
<blockquote><p>To be honest, I do not think this view of mine is remotely controversial. </p></blockquote>
<p>Nope. It&#8217;s spot on. </p>
<p>We&#8217;ve known this notion that more guns makes things safer is bogus for a long time, but we still get crap like this and, even worse, stand your ground laws that do nothing but increase killings. Add the right-wing terrorists and white supremacists (is there a difference?) and you&#8217;ve got the shit show we have now.</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 2021 11:58:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Two excellent commentaries that further demolish the arguments of people who think like RickA:

https://religionnews.com/2021/11/20/kyle-rittenhouse-whiteness-and-a-divinely-ordained-license-to-kill/

https://eu.hollandsentinel.com/story/opinion/columns/2021/11/27/my-take-uninformed-juries-produce-incorrect-outcomes/8717255002/

It is quite interesting what American courts deem as &#039;admissible&#039; and &#039;inadmissible&#039; evidence at trial. Rittenhouse proudly wearing a &#039;Free as f***&#039; t-shirt while flashing a white supremacy &#039;OK&#039; hand signal while being photographed with the Proud Boys shortly after pleading not guilty was deemed as &#039;inadmissible&#039;. Why is this? Why are juries not allowed to see the unvarnished truth? Was Rittenhouse merely being gullible to pose with a far right group or was this deliberate? Does it reflect his own views or was it merely a naive act by an immature teenager? 

We have gone over this before, but the fact remains that only two people died in the Kenosha protest, both after being shot by Rittenhouse. He should not have been there, period.  In fact, he had no right to be there, armed with an AR-15. If he had been black, the outcome of this would have been very different. First, he would almost certainly have been arrested (or shot) by the police on the spot. If not shot, then he would have been subdued and forcibly disarmed. To be honest, I do not think this view of mine is remotely controversial. 

I wait to see how this verdict is going to play out across the US in coming months and years. The prognosis is not good.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two excellent commentaries that further demolish the arguments of people who think like RickA:</p>
<p><a href="https://religionnews.com/2021/11/20/kyle-rittenhouse-whiteness-and-a-divinely-ordained-license-to-kill/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://religionnews.com/2021/11/20/kyle-rittenhouse-whiteness-and-a-divinely-ordained-license-to-kill/</a></p>
<p><a href="https://eu.hollandsentinel.com/story/opinion/columns/2021/11/27/my-take-uninformed-juries-produce-incorrect-outcomes/8717255002/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://eu.hollandsentinel.com/story/opinion/columns/2021/11/27/my-take-uninformed-juries-produce-incorrect-outcomes/8717255002/</a></p>
<p>It is quite interesting what American courts deem as &#8216;admissible&#8217; and &#8216;inadmissible&#8217; evidence at trial. Rittenhouse proudly wearing a &#8216;Free as f***&#8217; t-shirt while flashing a white supremacy &#8216;OK&#8217; hand signal while being photographed with the Proud Boys shortly after pleading not guilty was deemed as &#8216;inadmissible&#8217;. Why is this? Why are juries not allowed to see the unvarnished truth? Was Rittenhouse merely being gullible to pose with a far right group or was this deliberate? Does it reflect his own views or was it merely a naive act by an immature teenager? </p>
<p>We have gone over this before, but the fact remains that only two people died in the Kenosha protest, both after being shot by Rittenhouse. He should not have been there, period.  In fact, he had no right to be there, armed with an AR-15. If he had been black, the outcome of this would have been very different. First, he would almost certainly have been arrested (or shot) by the police on the spot. If not shot, then he would have been subdued and forcibly disarmed. To be honest, I do not think this view of mine is remotely controversial. </p>
<p>I wait to see how this verdict is going to play out across the US in coming months and years. The prognosis is not good.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Nov 2021 22:38:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Lionel, Dean, the GOP knows that it will never win another election if the voter turnout is high. Whenever &#062;70% of the electorate vote, the Democrats win. The higher the turnout, the bigger the margin. So the Republicans are the ones rigging future elections in order to disenfranchise vast swathes of the electorate who they know will never support them. They are making it harder and harder for minorities and the poor to cast their ballot. The aim is to keep voter turnout as low as possible so that they always win. This is white supremacist fascism. They even tried that in Texas last year, by limiting access to drop-off ballot boxes in Democrat strongholds. For some unfathomable reason, the Republican party is addicted to Trump, and will follow the malignant orange liar to the ends of the Earth. The big lie is still peddled by vast numbers of deluded Republican supporters, despite the fact that it has been categorically repudiated on multiple occasions.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lionel, Dean, the GOP knows that it will never win another election if the voter turnout is high. Whenever &gt;70% of the electorate vote, the Democrats win. The higher the turnout, the bigger the margin. So the Republicans are the ones rigging future elections in order to disenfranchise vast swathes of the electorate who they know will never support them. They are making it harder and harder for minorities and the poor to cast their ballot. The aim is to keep voter turnout as low as possible so that they always win. This is white supremacist fascism. They even tried that in Texas last year, by limiting access to drop-off ballot boxes in Democrat strongholds. For some unfathomable reason, the Republican party is addicted to Trump, and will follow the malignant orange liar to the ends of the Earth. The big lie is still peddled by vast numbers of deluded Republican supporters, despite the fact that it has been categorically repudiated on multiple occasions.</p>
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		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2021/11/12/no-more-black-pastors/#comment-953803</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Nov 2021 18:02:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2021/11/12/no-more-black-pastors/#comment-953799&quot;&gt;Lionel A&lt;/a&gt;.

Don&#039;t expect rickA to appreciate facts -- he never deals with them. 
Trump and his people are currently working with the QOP leaders here in Michigan to &quot;make sure the left doesn&#039;t steal another election&quot;. They are doing their evil best to pass voting restrictions that will hurt the poor, minorities, and elderly here as they have in other states. 

It&#039;s all under the false claim that &quot;election security is more at risk now than it ever has been&quot; and &quot;absentee voting&quot; and &quot;mail in voting&quot; are the primary reasons. The fact that there&#039;s no evidence to support any of that does not matter. 

Yes, there is a current threat to democracy -- from people like rickA and the people they support.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2021/11/12/no-more-black-pastors/#comment-953799">Lionel A</a>.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t expect rickA to appreciate facts &#8212; he never deals with them.<br />
Trump and his people are currently working with the QOP leaders here in Michigan to &#8220;make sure the left doesn&#8217;t steal another election&#8221;. They are doing their evil best to pass voting restrictions that will hurt the poor, minorities, and elderly here as they have in other states. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s all under the false claim that &#8220;election security is more at risk now than it ever has been&#8221; and &#8220;absentee voting&#8221; and &#8220;mail in voting&#8221; are the primary reasons. The fact that there&#8217;s no evidence to support any of that does not matter. </p>
<p>Yes, there is a current threat to democracy &#8212; from people like rickA and the people they support.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Nov 2021 17:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Republicans really are behaving like Repuglicans.

&lt;blockquote&gt;The prime culprits behind all this election rigging are the statehouses themselves – mostly anonymous elected officials who few voters know but who wield far more power than most Americans appreciate. And that includes the power to draw the district lines of both federal and state representatives (ie their own districts), as well as establishing most of the other rules of how elections are run, including how presidential electors are divvied up.

But it all gets worse. Fast-forward to now. Outraged by a decade of rigged elections, citizens in Ohio and other states took action to change the process of how lines are drawn. Some opted for independent districting commissions. In Ohio, more than 70% of the voters amended the Ohio constitution (twice!) to add clear guidelines to curb the type of extreme partisan districting that led to a decade without democracy.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/nov/28/republicans-are-quietly-rigging-election-maps-to-ensure-permanent-rule&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;Republicans are quietly rigging election maps to ensure permanent rule&lt;/a&gt;

This as political violence grow across the US.  I warned RickA about the dangers of civil war, it looks like his side wants to bring it on.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez stood on the House floor and implored her colleagues to hold Paul Gosar accountable for sharing an altered anime video showing him killing her and attacking Joe Biden.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/nov/27/political-violence-threats-multiplying-us&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;A core threat to our democracy’: threat of political violence growing across US&lt;/a&gt;

I suppose RickA will be along again trying to defend the indefensible.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Republicans really are behaving like Repuglicans.</p>
<blockquote><p>The prime culprits behind all this election rigging are the statehouses themselves – mostly anonymous elected officials who few voters know but who wield far more power than most Americans appreciate. And that includes the power to draw the district lines of both federal and state representatives (ie their own districts), as well as establishing most of the other rules of how elections are run, including how presidential electors are divvied up.</p>
<p>But it all gets worse. Fast-forward to now. Outraged by a decade of rigged elections, citizens in Ohio and other states took action to change the process of how lines are drawn. Some opted for independent districting commissions. In Ohio, more than 70% of the voters amended the Ohio constitution (twice!) to add clear guidelines to curb the type of extreme partisan districting that led to a decade without democracy.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/nov/28/republicans-are-quietly-rigging-election-maps-to-ensure-permanent-rule" rel="nofollow ugc">Republicans are quietly rigging election maps to ensure permanent rule</a></p>
<p>This as political violence grow across the US.  I warned RickA about the dangers of civil war, it looks like his side wants to bring it on.</p>
<blockquote><p>Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez stood on the House floor and implored her colleagues to hold Paul Gosar accountable for sharing an altered anime video showing him killing her and attacking Joe Biden.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/nov/27/political-violence-threats-multiplying-us" rel="nofollow ugc">A core threat to our democracy’: threat of political violence growing across US</a></p>
<p>I suppose RickA will be along again trying to defend the indefensible.</p>
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