{"id":414,"date":"2007-12-02T11:02:20","date_gmt":"2007-12-02T11:02:20","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/scienceblogs.com\/gregladen\/2007\/12\/02\/discovery-institute-youre-joki\/"},"modified":"2007-12-02T11:02:20","modified_gmt":"2007-12-02T11:02:20","slug":"discovery-institute-youre-joki","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/gregladen.com\/blog\/2007\/12\/02\/discovery-institute-youre-joki\/","title":{"rendered":"Discovery Institute:  You&#8217;re joking, right?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Here we have another example of the link between Christian religion, Creationism, and Dishonesty.  This time, it is in the post-game analysis of  John West&#8217;s talk at the University of Minnesota, posted on the <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Discovery_Institute\">Discovery Institute<\/a>s&#8217;s Web Site.<br \/>\n<!--more--><br \/>\nThe <a href=\"http:\/\/www.evolutionnews.org\/2007\/12\/west_wins_in_minn.html\">post<\/a> by Bruce Chapman, who was not at the talk, is based on &#8220;two calls&#8221; Bruce got about the talk.  It is full of lies and misinformation, which are pretty much obliterated in this<a href=\"http:\/\/scienceblogs.com\/pharyngula\/2007\/12\/how_the_west_was_won_with_spin.php\"> post by PZ Myers,<\/a> which appeared on the Internet only moments ago.<\/p>\n<p>What I find most amazing is this:  West was asked explicitly if he was making a link between the early 20th century Eugenics and modern biologists, and he actually said &#8220;No, of course not.&#8221;  He then went on for five minutes trying to make the link.  In the Chapman missive, we see this:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>apologists for Darwinism want people to think that the link to eugenics is slight and had no great consequences, but West&#8217;s facts are authoritative and conclusive in showing that the connection is conspicuous and the consequences were major.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>You see, we evolutionary biologists, we are all apologists for Darwin by this criterion, and we are all anti-eugenics.<\/p>\n<p>Chapman notes:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>The Darwinists hate hearing about the history of eugenics<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Well, actually, that is not true.  Many of us find it fascinating.<\/p>\n<p>I am particularly interested in the following connections:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Most eugenics supporters of the early 20th century were Christians.<\/li>\n<li>Most eugenics opposers of the early 20th century were either atheists or Jews (or both).\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Had it not been for the atheists and Jews, Christian-style eugenics would have had a much more solid base.  It is possible that the anti-Nazi and anti-German sentiments (the former because people were annoyed by Hitler, the latter because people had been annoyed by the Kaiser) may have paled in comparison to the &#8220;Promise of Eugenics&#8221; and it is quite likely that it would have been very difficult to get the US in to World War II.<\/p>\n<p>The Germans would have been defeated anyway, by the Soviets, and all of Europe (possibly except England) would have become Soviet Bloc.  Interesting prospect.   Interesting ironies.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Here we have another example of the link between Christian religion, Creationism, and Dishonesty. This time, it is in the post-game analysis of John West&#8217;s talk at the University of Minnesota, posted on the Discovery Institutes&#8217;s Web Site.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"1","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[],"tags":[55,156,2486],"jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p5fhV1-6G","jetpack_likes_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/gregladen.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/414"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/gregladen.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/gregladen.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/gregladen.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/gregladen.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=414"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/gregladen.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/414\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/gregladen.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=414"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/gregladen.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=414"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/gregladen.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=414"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}