{"id":27952,"date":"2017-11-25T12:14:29","date_gmt":"2017-11-25T18:14:29","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/gregladen.com\/blog\/?p=27952"},"modified":"2017-12-05T20:07:38","modified_gmt":"2017-12-06T02:07:38","slug":"roger-pielke-junior-telling-people-shut","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/gregladen.com\/blog\/2017\/11\/25\/roger-pielke-junior-telling-people-shut\/","title":{"rendered":"Roger Pielke Junior Is Telling People To Shut Up Again"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>I usually ignore Junior&#8217;s yammering whines, but in this case there is an interesting and helpful response providing the bigger picture, a thing to learn from.<\/p>\n<p>For context, I provide below links to selected posts of my own about Junior.<\/p>\n<p>This most recent event involves an Op Ed published by the largely anti-science-even-if-it-is-bad-for-the-economy The Wall Street Journal, by Pielke Jr. In it he attacks <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/1465433643\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=9325&#038;creativeASIN=1465433643&#038;linkCode=as2&#038;tag=grlasbl0a-20&#038;linkId=c53fcd845276f9829ecbf500e28e4918\">Michael Mann<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=grlasbl0a-20&#038;l=am2&#038;o=1&#038;a=1465433643\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" alt=\"\" style=\"border:none !important; margin:0px !important;\" \/>, and does so in a ham-handed and factually incorrect way. In other words, just another day in the life of Junior.<\/p>\n<p>Since I let my subscription to the Wall Street Journal expire in 1971, and they hold their cards close to their golden chest, I provide the response, by <a href=\"https:\/\/www.csldf.org\/2017\/10\/30\/2017-defender-science-dinner\/\">defender of science Peter Fontaine<\/a>, as graphic:<!--more--><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/gregladen.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/11\/MikeMannWSJ.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"27953\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/gregladen.com\/blog\/2017\/11\/25\/roger-pielke-junior-telling-people-shut\/mikemannwsj\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/gregladen.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/11\/MikeMannWSJ.jpg?fit=782%2C1086&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"782,1086\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"MikeMannWSJ\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/gregladen.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/11\/MikeMannWSJ.jpg?fit=216%2C300&amp;ssl=1\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/gregladen.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/11\/MikeMannWSJ.jpg?fit=604%2C839&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/gregladen.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/11\/MikeMannWSJ-650x903.jpg?resize=604%2C839\" alt=\"\" width=\"604\" height=\"839\" class=\"aligncenter size-large wp-image-27953\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/gregladen.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/11\/MikeMannWSJ.jpg?resize=650%2C903&amp;ssl=1 650w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/gregladen.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/11\/MikeMannWSJ.jpg?resize=500%2C694&amp;ssl=1 500w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/gregladen.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/11\/MikeMannWSJ.jpg?resize=216%2C300&amp;ssl=1 216w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/gregladen.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/11\/MikeMannWSJ.jpg?resize=768%2C1067&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/gregladen.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/11\/MikeMannWSJ.jpg?w=782&amp;ssl=1 782w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 604px) 100vw, 604px\" data-recalc-dims=\"1\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>The reason this all comes up now is because of <a href=\"https:\/\/gregladen.com\/blog\/2017\/11\/16\/scientists-law-suits\/\">THIS<\/a> dustup, in combination with Junior&#8217;s very sensitive skin which stings and develops hives even when people are giving<em> each other<\/em> stern looks.<\/p>\n<p>Why does Roger Pielke Junior do so well at annoying the community of climate change experts? Among professionals in this area, there is something of a running joke. If you see a number that seems to large, a number that you for some reason don&#8217;t like the largeness of, just divide it by the GDP (gross domestic product).  Now, there are times when you need to divide a thing by GDP to make sens of it, some measure across time and all that. But dividing the costs of major disasters, or the overall disaster costs for an especially costly year, is crazy because, for one, GDP is forced upward when we spend a gazillion dollars rebuilding all the stuff that was destroyed by a bunch of hurricanes, floods, tornadoes, and what have you.  Junior shares a philosophical bed with <a href=\"https:\/\/gregladen.com\/blog\/?s=lomborg\">Bjorn Lomborg<\/a>: Climate change is real, sure, but it isn&#8217;t so bad and maybe we should take a decade or two and do other stuff before dealing with it.<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;m sure I&#8217;m oversimplifying Junior&#8217;s position there a little.  Mostly, though, I just divided what he says by the GDP and it got a lot smaller.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/gregladen.com\/blog\/2017\/04\/09\/roger-pielke-junior-i-forgive-you-for-this-one-thing\/\">Roger Pielke Junior, I forgive you for this one thing<\/a><br \/>\n<a href=\"https:\/\/gregladen.com\/blog\/2014\/07\/17\/roger-pielke-jr-no-longer-with-fivethirtyeight\/\">Roger Pielke Jr no longer with FiveThirtyEight?<\/a><br \/>\n<a href=\"https:\/\/gregladen.com\/blog\/2014\/03\/01\/a-letter-from-john-holdren-regarding-roger-pielke-jrs-statements\/\">A Letter From John Holdren Regarding Roger Pielke Jr&#8217;s Statements<\/a><br \/>\n<a href=\"https:\/\/gregladen.com\/blog\/2017\/04\/08\/mann-did-judith-curry-ever-get-rogered\/\">Mann, did Judith Curry ever get Rogered!<\/a><br \/>\n<a href=\"https:\/\/gregladen.com\/blog\/2017\/04\/05\/the-inconceivably-bogus-republican-science-committee-hearings\/\">The Inconceivably Bogus Republican Science Committee Hearings<\/a><br \/>\n<a href=\"https:\/\/gregladen.com\/blog\/2015\/12\/08\/todays-climate-change-congressional-hearings\/\">Today\u2019s Climate Change Congressional Hearings<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I usually ignore Junior&#8217;s yammering whines, but in this case there is an interesting and helpful response providing the bigger picture, a thing to learn from. For context, I provide below links to selected posts of my own about Junior. This most recent event involves an Op Ed published by the largely anti-science-even-if-it-is-bad-for-the-economy The Wall &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/gregladen.com\/blog\/2017\/11\/25\/roger-pielke-junior-telling-people-shut\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading <span class=\"screen-reader-text\">Roger Pielke Junior Is Telling People To Shut Up Again<\/span> <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":27956,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[5021,5032],"tags":[4979,3271,740,4980,4978,1730,5020,2066],"jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_featured_media_url":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/gregladen.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/11\/RogerPielkeJuniorDividedByGDP.jpg?fit=534%2C233&ssl=1","jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p5fhV1-7gQ","jetpack_likes_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/gregladen.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/27952"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/gregladen.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/gregladen.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/gregladen.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/gregladen.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=27952"}],"version-history":[{"count":7,"href":"https:\/\/gregladen.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/27952\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":27970,"href":"https:\/\/gregladen.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/27952\/revisions\/27970"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/gregladen.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/27956"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/gregladen.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=27952"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/gregladen.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=27952"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/gregladen.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=27952"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}