{"id":27282,"date":"2009-10-12T14:11:11","date_gmt":"2009-10-12T14:11:11","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/scienceblogs.com\/gregladen\/2009\/10\/12\/science-and-islam-a-model-for\/"},"modified":"2009-10-12T14:11:11","modified_gmt":"2009-10-12T14:11:11","slug":"science-and-islam-a-model-for","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/gregladen.com\/blog\/2009\/10\/12\/science-and-islam-a-model-for\/","title":{"rendered":"Science and Islam: A model for framing vs. popular science"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><span style=\"float: right; padding: 5px; width:200px\"><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"image\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/gregladen.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/graphics\/arabicanatomydrawing.jpg?w=250\"  data-recalc-dims=\"1\" \/><br \/> <center><em>17th century Arabic anatomy drawing, from the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.themodernreligion.com\/basic\/history\/photographs_science1.htm\">Advances of Islamic Sciences web site.<\/a> In some Islamic sects, drawing living things is not allowed.  As a very practical matter, this excludes students from taking part in certain activities in science classrooms.  <\/em> <\/center><\/span><\/p>\n<p>During the <a href=\"http:\/\/gregladen.com\/wordpress\/?p=1365\">Bell Museum Slapdown panel<\/a> last week, <a href=\"http:\/\/scienceblogs.com\/pharyngula\/2007\/09\/victory.php\">Myers<\/a> brought up differences between countries in public attitudes towards education.  <a href=\"http:\/\/scienceblogs.com\/intersection\/2007\/09\/a_consensus_on_framing.php\">Mooney<\/a> and <a href=\"http:\/\/www.scienceblogs.com\/framing-science\/\">Nisbet<\/a> brought up the difficulty of making fundamental changes via \u201cPopular Science\u201d approaches, which I take to include public, popular culture as well as standard education (which is, after all, the main mechanism for cultural transmission of scientific viewpoints).<\/p>\n<p>We did not develop the potential for the comparative argument as much as we could have  during that discussion.  As Nisbet suggested:  We should be scientific about our understanding of how we present science.  I agree.  The comparative approach is a very useful one in science.  We can ask questions like, how can other predominantly christian countries (like Italy, France, Britain and Spain) have such a better attitude (publicly and culturally) towards science (especially evolution) compared to the US?  What\u2019s the difference?  Let\u2019s get us some of that difference!<\/p>\n<p><!--more--><br \/>\n<center>A repost from the Way Way Back Machine<\/p>\n<p><\/center><\/p>\n<p>And we can take this a step further \u2026 what about the Islamic world?  Science is in much worse shape in the Islamic world than it is in the Christian world (if I may be allowed momentary use of those two fairly obnoxious terms).  Indeed, the two worlds seem to barely overlap in terms of scientific involvement, education, and productivity.  Perhaps by understanding the difference between these \u201cworlds,\u201d with respect to science and society, we can (shudder)\u2026 predict our own future as the fundamentalists take over?  Or, more hopefully, simply learn more about the structure of the culture\/scociety vis-a-vis science interface, to better understand and manage our own problems.  Scientifically. <\/p>\n<p>This brings us to this interesting question:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>With well over a billion Muslims and extensive material resources, why is the Islamic world disengaged from science and the process of creating new knowledge?<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>This is addressed by Pervez Amirali Hoodbhoy, of the department of physics at Quaid-i-Azam University in Islamabad, Pakistan, in a piece that\u2019s not too recent, but interesting.  <a href=\"http:\/\/ptonline.aip.org\/journals\/doc\/PHTOAD-ft\/vol_60\/iss_8\/49_1.shtml#bio\">Here.<\/a>  <\/p>\n<p>Hoodbhoy provides a scientific analysis of this issue that I think is worth examination.  Perhaps his insight, and his suggestions for promoting science in the Islamic world apply broadly.  <\/p>\n<div class=\"caption left\" style=\"max-width: 300px\"> <img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/gregladen.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/graphics\/hoodbhoy.jpg?w=604\"  data-recalc-dims=\"1\" \/>  <\/div>\n<p>Hoodbhoy points out that Islam, at one time in the past, was far more engaged in science than many other contemporary civilizations (see <a href=\"http:\/\/gregladen.com\/wordpress\/?p=1114\">this post<\/a> for related issues and links).  All that original albegra, early work on optics, etc. was all written in Arabic, not to mention a great deal of astronomy and human anatomy.  However, according to Hoodbhoy, there has not been a significant discovery or invention from the Islamic world in over 700 years.  So, I\u2019m guessing this isn\u2019t just  glitch. <\/p>\n<p>It has been suggested that this is a fundamentally cultural matter: <\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Scholars of the 19th century, such as the pioneering sociologist Max Weber, claimed that Islam lacks an \u201cidea system\u201d critical for sustaining a scientific culture based on innovation, new experiences, quantification, and empirical verification. Fatalism and an orientation toward the past, they said, makes progress difficult and even undesirable.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Today, of course, Weber\u2019s work on religion and culture is recognized as part of a broader, Morganian system of cultural and social classificiation \u2026 a pre-Boazian post hoc description of the superiority of Christian White Men.  And of course, Muslims tend to be offended by this approach (a point not ignored in the essay by Hoodbhoy).  <\/p>\n<blockquote><p>In defending the compatibility of science and Islam, Muslims argue that Islam had sustained a vibrant intellectual culture throughout the European Dark Ages and thus, by extension, is also capable of a modern scientific culture. The Pakistani physics Nobel Prize winner, Abdus Salam, would stress to audiences that one-eighth of the Qur\u2019an is a call for Muslims to seek Allah\u2019s signs in the universe and hence that science is a spiritual as well as a temporal duty for Muslims.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>But Hoodbhoy\u2019s essay is not an historical account but rather an attempt at a quantification of the state of science in the Muslim world today. He produces these two tables:<\/p>\n<table border=\"1\" cellpadding=\"0\" cellspacing=\"0\" bordercolor=\"#999999\">\n<tr>\n<td colspan=\"5\">\n<div align=\"center\"><strong>Table 1. The seven most scientifically productive Islamic countries as of early 2007, <br \/>\ncompared against<br \/>\na selection of other countries<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td colspan=\"5\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>\n<div align=\"center\"><\/div>\n<\/td>\n<td>\n<div align=\"center\"><strong>Physics papers<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/td>\n<td>\n<div align=\"center\"><strong>Physics citations<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/td>\n<td>\n<div align=\"center\"><strong>All science papers<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/td>\n<td>\n<div align=\"center\"><strong>All science citations<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr valign=top>\n<td>Malaysia<\/td>\n<td>\n<div align=\"right\">690<\/div>\n<\/td>\n<td>\n<div align=\"right\">1 685<\/div>\n<\/td>\n<td>\n<div align=\"right\">11 287<\/div>\n<\/td>\n<td>\n<div align=\"right\">40 925<\/div>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr valign=top>\n<td>Pakistan<\/td>\n<td>\n<div align=\"right\">846<\/div>\n<\/td>\n<td>\n<div align=\"right\">2 952<\/div>\n<\/td>\n<td>\n<div align=\"right\">7 934<\/div>\n<\/td>\n<td>\n<div align=\"right\">26 958<\/div>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr valign=top>\n<td>Saudi Arabia<\/td>\n<td>\n<div align=\"right\">836<\/div>\n<\/td>\n<td>\n<div align=\"right\">2 220<\/div>\n<\/td>\n<td>\n<div align=\"right\">14 538<\/div>\n<\/td>\n<td>\n<div align=\"right\">49 654<\/div>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr valign=top>\n<td>Morocco<\/td>\n<td>\n<div align=\"right\">1 518<\/div>\n<\/td>\n<td>\n<div align=\"right\">5 332<\/div>\n<\/td>\n<td>\n<div align=\"right\">9 979<\/div>\n<\/td>\n<td>\n<div align=\"right\">35 011<\/div>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr valign=top>\n<td>Iran<\/td>\n<td>\n<div align=\"right\">2 408<\/div>\n<\/td>\n<td>\n<div align=\"right\">9 385<\/div>\n<\/td>\n<td>\n<div align=\"right\">25 400<\/div>\n<\/td>\n<td>\n<div align=\"right\">76 467<\/div>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr valign=top>\n<td>Egypt<\/td>\n<td>\n<div align=\"right\">3 064<\/div>\n<\/td>\n<td>\n<div align=\"right\">11 211<\/div>\n<\/td>\n<td>\n<div align=\"right\">26 276<\/div>\n<\/td>\n<td>\n<div align=\"right\">90 056<\/div>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr valign=top>\n<td>Turkey<\/td>\n<td>\n<div align=\"right\">5 036<\/div>\n<\/td>\n<td>\n<div align=\"right\">21 798<\/div>\n<\/td>\n<td>\n<div align=\"right\">88 438<\/div>\n<\/td>\n<td>\n<div align=\"right\">299 808<\/div>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr valign=top>\n<td>Brazil<\/td>\n<td>\n<div align=\"right\">18 571<\/div>\n<\/td>\n<td>\n<div align=\"right\">104 245<\/div>\n<\/td>\n<td>\n<div align=\"right\">128 687<\/div>\n<\/td>\n<td>\n<div align=\"right\">642 745<\/div>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr valign=top>\n<td>India<\/td>\n<td>\n<div align=\"right\">26 241<\/div>\n<\/td>\n<td>\n<div align=\"right\">136 993<\/div>\n<\/td>\n<td>\n<div align=\"right\">202 727<\/div>\n<\/td>\n<td>\n<div align=\"right\">793 946<\/div>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr valign=top>\n<td>China<\/td>\n<td>\n<div align=\"right\">75 318<\/div>\n<\/td>\n<td>\n<div align=\"right\">298 227<\/div>\n<\/td>\n<td>\n<div align=\"right\">431 859<\/div>\n<\/td>\n<td>\n<div align=\"right\">1 637 287<\/div>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr valign=top>\n<td>USA<\/td>\n<td>\n<div align=\"right\">201 062<\/div>\n<\/td>\n<td>\n<div align=\"right\">2 332 789<\/div>\n<\/td>\n<td>\n<div align=\"right\">2 732 816<\/div>\n<\/td>\n<td>\n<div align=\"right\">35 678 385<\/div>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td colspan=\"5\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td colspan=\"5\">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;These data are from the Philadelphia-based science information specialist, Thomson Scientific.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/table>\n<table width=\"480\" height=\"123%\" border=\"1\" cellpadding=\"0\" cellspacing=\"0\" bordercolor=\"#999999\">\n<tr>\n<td height=\"21%\" colspan=\"5\">\n<div align=\"center\"><strong>Table 2. High-technology exports as a percentage of total manufactured exports<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"11%\" colspan=\"5\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td width=\"140\" height=\"11%\">Malaysia<\/td>\n<td width=\"60\">\n<div align=\"right\">58%<\/div>\n<\/td>\n<td width=\"68\" rowspan=\"4\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<td width=\"140\">Iran<\/td>\n<td width=\"60\">\n<div align=\"right\">2%<\/div>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"11%\">Pakistan<\/td>\n<td>\n<div align=\"right\">1%<\/div>\n<\/td>\n<td>Egypt<\/td>\n<td>\n<div align=\"right\">0%<\/div>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"11%\">Saudi Arabia<\/td>\n<td>\n<div align=\"right\">0%<\/div>\n<\/td>\n<td>Turkey<\/td>\n<td>\n<div align=\"right\">2%<\/div>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"11%\">Morocco<\/td>\n<td>\n<div align=\"right\">11%<\/div>\n<\/td>\n<td>&nbsp;<\/td>\n<td>\n<div align=\"right\">&nbsp;<\/div>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"11%\" colspan=\"5\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td colspan=\"5\">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;These data are from the World Bank\u2019s World<br \/>\nDevelopment Report 2006.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/table>\n<blockquote><p>\nForty-six Muslim countries contributed 1.17% of the world\u2019s science literature, whereas 1.66% came from India alone and 1.48% from Spain. Twenty Arab countries contributed 0.55%, compared with 0.89% by Israel alone.<\/p>\n<p>\u2026<\/p>\n<p>The role played by science in creating high technology is an important science indicator. Comparing table 1 with table 2 shows there is little correlation between academic research papers and the role of S&#038;T in the national economies of the seven listed countries. The anomalous position of Malaysia in table 2 has its explanation in the large direct investment made by multinational companies and in having trading partners that are overwhelmingly non-OIC countries.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>The role of Higher Education is cited by Hoodbhoy.  The 57 members of the Organization of the Islamic Conference states have about 1,800 universities but only 312 that are engaged in research leading to journal articles.  Among those universities that do produced published papers, the numbers are not terribly low, but the impact factor is abysmal.  (The average rate of citation is less than 1.0 per paper).  <\/p>\n<p>Hoodbhoy also looks at science in popular culture.  Hoodbhoy notes:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Science is under pressure globally, and from every religion. As science becomes an increasingly dominant part of human culture, its achievements inspire both awe and fear. Creationism and intelligent design, curbs on genetic research, pseudoscience, parapsychology, belief in UFOs, and so on are some of its manifestations in the West. Religious conservatives in the US have rallied against the teaching of Darwinian evolution. Extreme Hindu groups such as the Vishnu Hindu Parishad, which has called for ethnic cleansing of Christians and Muslims, have promoted various \u201ctemple miracles,\u201d including one in which an elephant-like God miraculously came alive and started drinking milk. Some extremist Jewish groups also derive additional political strength from antiscience movements. For example, certain American cattle tycoons have for years been working with Israeli counterparts to try to breed a pure red heifer in Israel, which, by their interpretation of chapter 19 of the Book of Numbers, will signal the coming of the building of the Third Temple,7 an event that would ignite the Middle East.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>In the Islamic world, there is a strong anti-science component of the Internet.  Islamic fundamentalists see science mainly yas a means of establishing additional proofs of god and proving the truth of the Qur\u2019an, while at the same time holding on to the idea that modern science would not have developed had it not been for the link served by Islam between classical and modern times.  <\/p>\n<p>Hoodbhoy discusses reasons for this situation, and, while unable to reject a modern version of Weber\u2019s fundamental cultural difference as being a factor, describes the problem as more complex than mere non-modernism.  Ultimately, he asks the question \u201cHow can science return to the Islamic world?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Does Hoodbhoy suggest that Science simply needs to be repackaged \u2026 reframed \u2026 for broader acceptance and engagement in the Islamic world?  Or does he suggest that decoupling religious practice and belief  from science specifically and day to day life more generally is important?  You judge:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Progress will require behavioral changes. If Muslim societies are to develop technology instead of just using it, the ruthlessly competitive global marketplace will insist on not only high skill levels but also intense social work habits. The latter are not easily reconcilable with religious demands made on a fully observant Muslim\u2019s time, energy, and mental concentration: The faithful must participate in five daily congregational prayers, endure a month of fasting that taxes the body, recite daily from the Qur\u2019an, and more. Although such duties orient believers admirably well toward success in the life hereafter, they make worldly success less likely. A more balanced approach will be needed.<\/p>\n<p>Science can prosper among Muslims once again, but only with a willingness to accept certain basic philosophical and attitudinal changes&#8211;a Weltanschauung that shrugs off the dead hand of tradition, rejects fatalism and absolute belief in authority, accepts the legitimacy of temporal laws, values intellectual rigor and scientific honesty, and respects cultural and personal freedoms. The struggle to usher in science will have to go side-by-side with a much wider campaign to elbow out rigid orthodoxy and bring in modern thought, arts, philosophy, democracy, and pluralism.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>I think many American consumers of of this discourse \u2026 from Islamic science to Framing and Science Education \u2026 often fail to realize that Christianity is not the problem in the US.  Well, it can be a problem, but it is not the problem.  The problem is fundamentalism.  Virtually by definition, fundamentalism requires that all things human serve god and devotion to god.  Thus, science is a legitimate pursuit only to the extent that this can happen.  Science for science\u2019s sake is at best a hobby, and science that produces any results that conflicts with religious dogma (such as evolution) or that requires practices not allowed by the religious doctrine (such as making a drawing of a living thing) is heretical.<\/p>\n<p>The difference between a Christian Fundamentalist and a Muslim Fundamentalist is the difference between the eagle and the osprey.  The eagle and the osprey cannot abide each other\u2019s existence.  But if you are the fish, you are nothing more than bird food.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>17th century Arabic anatomy drawing, from the Advances of Islamic Sciences web site. In some Islamic sects, drawing living things is not allowed. As a very practical matter, this excludes students from taking part in certain activities in science classrooms. 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