{"id":17509,"date":"2013-08-19T16:04:36","date_gmt":"2013-08-19T21:04:36","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/scienceblogs.com\/gregladen\/?p=17509"},"modified":"2013-08-19T16:04:36","modified_gmt":"2013-08-19T21:04:36","slug":"the-unending-kwok","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/gregladen.com\/blog\/2013\/08\/19\/the-unending-kwok\/","title":{"rendered":"The Unending Kwok"},"content":{"rendered":"

I thought I was being a nice guy by not blocking John Kwok<\/a> the moment he tried to friend me on Facebook. But that was a mistake.<\/p>\n

At first, there was only the occasional strange note from him via Facebook “email.” But then, several hours ago, the dam broke and the Kwok just poured in. The following “conversation” is probably not work safe, and do make sure you are not drinking coffee while you read it. If you dare. And have a lot of free time.<\/p>\n

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He stopped as soon as I mentioned my friend in the CIA. Figures.<\/p>\n

One final word on this subject, courtesy of my friend PZ Myers<\/a>:<\/p>\n

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For those who can not read that graphic, here is a transcript:<\/p>\n

\nJohn Kwok
\nAm relieved you haven’t commented yet on the probable legal fortunes of your friend in Morris, MN. I wouldn’t bet on him getting away with this nonsense this time, not least because the person he has accused is far more credible than he has ever been. Should he lose maybe he might consider seppuku with a rusty knife.<\/p>\n

2:45pm
\nGreg Laden
\nThat comment was out of line. I recommend you shut up staring right now.<\/p>\n

2:48pm
\nJohn Kwok
\nNo, I don’t think so not least because you had aided and abetted that silly cracker stunt. He “graduated” from that to attack a lot of credible people, including the likes of Chris Mooney, Sheril Kirshenbaum, Michael De Dora, Nick Matzke, and now Michael Shermer. If he had proof with regards to Shermer, he should have had it brought to the police, not by writing such a venomous blog replete in statements that can be deemed as constituting libel.<\/p>\n

2:49pm
\nJohn Kwok
\nI was joking about the Leica M rangefinder camera demand which he and his fans still obsess about, but if he loses to Sherrmer – and I think he will – then he will owe me that camera.<\/p>\n

2:50pm
\nGreg Laden
\nI distinctly remember telling you to shut up a few minutes ago. Shut up, John.<\/p>\n

2:52pm
\nJohn Kwok
\nNo I won’t Greg. I’ll be one of many who will relish watching him get what he deserves from Shermer and his attorneys. As someone else told me, he’s a sick little man. Someone else asked me if he was crazy and I said he’s certified.<\/p>\n

2:52pm
\nGreg Laden
\nPerhaps I should rephrase this. Stop sending me Facebook messages. Stop doing that this very second. Not one more message from you. Stop now.<\/p>\n

2:53pm
\nJohn Kwok
\nMyers is a nobody, a narcissistic blowhard with delusions of grandeur who will be getting his just desserts. That’s it Greg. Not a further word from me.<\/p>\n

2:54pm
\nGreg Laden
\nOMG I can’t believe you sent me another Facebook message.<\/p>\n

2:56pm
\nJohn Kwok
\nOMG I can’t believe you answered it. Let’s face it. Shermer has been around the block much longer than Myers and was a friend of Gould and, I believe, Sagan too. In the court of public credibility that counts a lot more than silly wafer stunts or claiming that Kwok wants a Leica rangefinder camera from me.<\/p>\n

2:58pm
\nGreg Laden
\nJohn, stop.<\/p>\n

3:00pm
\nJohn Kwok
\nGreg, you stop. Compared to your goddamned friend, Shermer is a saint. I’ve been in touch with some very credible leaders in the secular humanist and atheist movements who look forward to seeing Myers getting what he deserves from Shermer. IMHO it’s long overdue too.
\nToday<\/p>\n

12:08am
\nGreg Laden
\nShut. Up.
\nToday<\/p>\n

7:43am
\nJohn Kwok
\nI’ll have the last word here. I didn’t know Dawkins had disowned your pal Hagar the Horrible a few years ago. That’s great news. Hopefully everyone else who is player in secular humanism and atheism will recognize your friend for the malignancy he is and give him his just do.<\/p>\n

8:21am
\nJohn Kwok
\nActually, I’ll let Massimo Pigliucci have the last word here:
\nhttp:\/\/rationallyspeaking.blogspot.com\/2013\/05\/pz-myers-quits-skeptic-movement-should.html
\nI’ve discussed your buddy with him in the past, though not in person. We’ve had far more important things to talk about than your pal’s juvenile insolence bordering on psychosis.
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8:36am
\nGreg Laden
\nJohn, stop with this nonsense.
\nToday<\/p>\n

12:57pm
\nJohn Kwok
\nYou should have told PZ that after the wafer incident. Instead he boldly goes on committing more insane acts in the cause of both skepticism and atheism. No wonder why he’s still obsessed with my threat that he should give me a Leica M7 rangefinder camera – not really him, but Dembski is the one who should give me one – and so too are his fans. They all need to pay a visit to Bellevue here in NYC, though I am sure there are suitable mental health facilities for them to attend to their needs. IMHO the best thing to happen to PZ would be getting financially knocked out by Shermer and his LA-based legal eagles. I’ll be watching with ample expectations. This should be fine for PZ since he prides himself on being a student of gladiatorial combat. (Not to mention his own Norse heritage.)<\/p>\n

1:05pm
\nJohn Kwok
\nAnd as for nonsense, Greg, I think people recognize who is the one spouting nonsense, which is why “The Happy Atheist” isn’t selling all that well over at Amazon. Don’t worry, I won’t read it nor will I review it at Amazon or GOODREADS. I have to catch up with reading John Crowley, Kim Stanley Robinson (I heard both at a talk they gave at MOMA\/PS 1), my friend Gary Shteyngart’s debut novel, etc. etc.<\/p>\n

1:15pm
\nJohn Kwok
\nSpeaking of “The Happy Atheist”, I think it says a lot when there isn’t a favorable blurb from Richard Dawkins, Daniel Dennett or Lawrence Krauss. It tells me right there that PZ has marginalized himself, and that’s a great step forward for both skepticism and atheism.<\/p>\n

1:53pm
\nGreg Laden
\nI wish you would stop bothering me.<\/p>\n

1:57pm
\nJohn Kwok
\nI wish you would stop answering me. How’s that? Meanwhile I am looking forward to the legal fireworks.<\/p>\n

2:05pm
\nGreg Laden
\nReally, John, you need to leave me alone<\/p>\n

2:07pm
\nJohn Kwok
\nPlease don’t write to me after this. I thank you in advance for your cooperation Greg.<\/p>\n

2:08pm
\nGreg Laden
\nOMG, shut up.<\/p>\n

2:09pm
\nJohn Kwok
\nOMG why don’t you shut up? I’m going to say it again. Please don’t write to me after this. I thank you in advance for your cooperation Greg.<\/p>\n

2:10pm
\nGreg Laden
\nJohn, I’m not reading any of the notes you send me, so you might as well not even bother. Just stop.<\/p>\n

2:12pm
\nJohn Kwok
\nGreg, if I get a message from you, I’m writing back. JUST. STOP. NOW. PLEASE.<\/p>\n

2:12pm
\nGreg Laden
\nWut? I insist that you stop filling my inbox with your drek. Immediately.<\/p>\n

2:13pm
\nJohn Kwok
\nWTF. I insist you stop filling my inbox with your drek. IMMEDIATELY! Now I asked you politely. Don’t write back please.<\/p>\n

2:14pm
\nGreg Laden
\nstop copying me<\/p>\n

2:14pm
\nJohn Kwok
\nStop writing to me and I’ll stop copying you. You’re as bad as Paul Zachary.<\/p>\n

2:15pm
\nGreg Laden
\nThank you for not copying me. Now stop emailing me.<\/p>\n

2:16pm
\nJohn Kwok
\nI think Al Stefanelli has a similar view of you. You can ask him. Now will you please stop writing back. Thank you.<\/p>\n

2:16pm
\nGreg Laden
\nI’m dialing 9-1-1 now.<\/p>\n

2:17pm
\nJohn Kwok
\nToo late, I’ve reported you to the FBI. I know someone who knows Holder, who is a fellow Stuyvesant HS alumnus.<\/p>\n

2:27pm
\nGreg Laden
\nNo you don’t<\/p>\n

2:28pm
\nJohn Kwok
\nHow would you know? You haven’t been active in Stuyvesant HS alumni affairs. I have. Now just shut up and leave me alone please.<\/p>\n

2:29pm
\nGreg Laden
\nStop lying to me and shut up.<\/p>\n

2:30pm
\nJohn Kwok
\nThat’s advice I throw back to you. I’ve been active in Stuyvesant HS alumni affairs and I know people who know Holder.<\/p>\n

2:32pm
\nGreg Laden
\nI hung out in the same bar as Obama in graduate school.<\/p>\n

2:34pm
\nJohn Kwok
\nWho gives a Fuck. I’ve been volunteering each year, starting in 2009 at the World Science Festival in part because I had overlapped with Brian Greene in high school.<\/p>\n

2:35pm
\nGreg Laden
\nI went to high school with the guy who invented Flash.<\/p>\n

2:36pm
\nJohn Kwok
\nYou and PZ really deserve each other. Told bad Shermer didn’t go after you too. Now will you please stop. Thank you. I thought you were once sensible when we had discussed Peter Williamson a few years ago. I know I am talking to Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde.
\nDamn, I have to add this as an addendum:
\nToo bad Shermer didn’t go after you too.
\nDon’t reply to this. Just go away please now.<\/p>\n

2:53pm
\nGreg Laden
\nYou’re the one sending me Facebook messages, John. And I’ve asked you to stop numerous times. I’m asking you again now, stop. I know a guy who works for the CIA.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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