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		<title>Failing to Gasp the Gun Debate</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Apr 2019 19:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[That is not a typo there in the title of this piece. I don&#8217;t mean grasp, I mean gasp. Listen. I recently attended a town hall held by my newly elected member of Congress, Dean Phillips. It was pretty nice getting to go to a town hall held by my representative in Washington, because the &#8230; <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2019/04/18/failing-to-gasp-the-gun-debate/" class="more-link">Continue reading <span class="screen-reader-text">Failing to Gasp the Gun Debate</span> <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is not a typo there in the title of this piece. I don&#8217;t mean grasp, I mean gasp.  Listen. <span id="more-31811"></span></p>
<p>I recently attended a town hall held by my newly elected member of Congress, Dean Phillips. It was pretty nice getting to go to a town hall held by my representative in Washington, because the previous representative, displaced last election by Representative Phillips, went for years and years without having any actual town halls. He&#8217;d have an occasional fake town hall we&#8217;d hear about after the fact, but no actual town halls. Phillips is holding town halls on a regular basis.</p>
<p>Many topics were covered during the event, including guns, and Phillips gave an OK response to an early question on the issue. He runs politically in the middle of the road but definitely in favor of more regulation, which is probably good for the district where a significant number of citizens hunt, and we have not suffered any local mass killings of children.  (Though this district does include a school suicide hot spot.)</p>
<p>But then something happened at the end of the town hall. The last questioner said something shocking. He told Representative Phillips and the audience that he had researched which kind of weapon would do best to kill &#8220;his deer.&#8221; (&#8220;His deer&#8221; or more us ally &#8220;my deer&#8221; might be a Minnesota expression referring to the deer you expect to get during hunting season.)  He had determined that what he called an &#8220;AK-47&#8221; rifle, his AK, was the best weapon with which to kill a deer. It was the most effective at killing, and thus, best for the deer. For this reason, we should not really be regulating guns like people want us to.</p>
<p>The audience sat and listened, then waited for Representative Phillips to say something, and he did.  He said something assuaging the person who asked the question, and I think Phillips and most of the audience were quietly embarrassed by this hunter&#8217;s remarks.  Most people just glanced away and were glad to have this not develop into a fight. That, by the way, is a key component of the widely known &#8220;Minnesota nice.&#8221; No matter how bone-headed a remark or behavior made in public might be, just let it go. Not worth it. Give it a stern look and move on.</p>
<p>Now, before I tell you why the hunter was wrong, the audience was wrong, and Representative Phillips was wrong, in what they all said and did and did not do an did not say, a brief digression.  This is advice I&#8217;ve since passed on to a few different elected officials, and now I&#8217;m giving it to you.</p>
<p>Always have a last question of your own, in case the actual last question is a real bummer like this one was.  Don&#8217;t have a person ready with an ideal last question that you turn to at the end. That is smarmy and dishonest. But much less smarmy and reasonably less dishonest is to have a question in your head. A question someone once asked you, that you have a kick-ass excellent answer to, the kind of answer you want your public appearance to end on.</p>
<p>Then, if the last question you actually get at the actual event is a great one, and you don&#8217;t blow the answer, you are good. Be done. But if that last question is like this guy&#8217;s question, so that the public event will end with a squirm and a whimper instead of an inspiring exposition and a tear in the eye, pull out your emergency question.  &#8220;Thanks for that. By the way, something someone said earlier reminded me of a question I got the other day, but no one touched on here. It is about kittens and how much I love them, and how I saved some baby bunnies from a snake the other day&#8230;&#8221; or whatever.</p>
<p>Anyway, yes, the deer hunter was wrong because he made the case that a tactical rifle, sometimes called an &#8220;assault weapon,&#8221;  was the best way to kill a deer. This is not true. Tactical rifles trade off effectiveness of accurate killing of a large mammal at a modest distance for lightness, shortness, ability to point around and blast scary things that are near you as you prance through a dangerous situation wearing armor going &#8220;hut hut hut&#8221; like this:</p>
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<p>Meanwhile, to kill a deer, you use the following elements.</p>
<p>1) You hide in a tree overlooking a place deer are expected.</p>
<p>2) The deer pass into the zone of expectation, walking slowly, frequently stopping to browse or listen and smell the surrounding environment.</p>
<p>3) You point a large, long barreled, highly accurate, high caliber rifle with good sights at the deer and when ready pull the trigger.</p>
<p>Like this (fear not, no deer are harmed in this video):</p>
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<p>The guy  at the Town Hall was wrong.</p>
<p>The audience was wrong. Why? Because &#8212; wait for it &#8212; no one gasped.  Well, I did, and I got a stern look or two, but nobody else did. What should have happened is that everyone should have done that thing they do in the British Parliament. Like this:</p>
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<p>Or words to that effect.</p>
<p>What should Representative Phillips have done? I&#8217;m not sure. I wanted him to walk up to the guy and slap him, but that is exactly the opposite of what the mild mannered and friendly Phillips would ever do.</p>
<p>Maybe he could have sung a song, like this:</p>
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<p>Ok, that was all very fun but I do want to get very serious for a moment.  I have a specific suggestion I&#8217;d like to give my fellow Town Hall goers and activists interested in gun violence.</p>
<p>Go get hypnotized.  Get a post-hypnotic suggestion that has the following effect.  Next time you are in a public space and someone takes the floor and belittles any project or suggestion to reduce gun violence by limiting access to tactical assault weapons, high capacity magazines, or similar, or to reduce suicide and accidental discharge of weapons in homes by requiring that guns be firmly secured, or anything along those lines, you will suddenly believe that you are in a room where the entire audience is made up of the loved ones and survivors of Sandy Hook massacre, the Red Lake massacre, the Virginia Tech massacre, the Fort Hood massacre, the Aurora theater massacre, the Columbine massacre, the Parkland massacre, and all the other massacres.</p>
<p>You would imagine, through this post hypnotic suggestion, that there are thousands of people in the room with you, all of whom had lost a child, a parent, a sibling, a student, a teacher, a co-worker, a neighbor, or some other loved one or close acquaintance, to a shooter who would never have been a shooter if this country had an entirely different gun culture and entirely different gun laws.</p>
<p>Imagine the person making the case about his choice of deer hunting weapon in a room full of those people.</p>
<p>And in the balconies, the vast balconies that surround this room that has now come indelibly into your head, are the loved ones of the gun suicide victims, which accumulate at the rate of thousands of years, and the victims of accidental shootings, which happen at about the rate of one a day, and the victims of crimes carried out with guns, which are frequent only in societies where there is a strong and vibrant gun culture like the US.  There are millions and millions of people in these balconies that extend far beyond your ability to see.</p>
<p>And that person, who is comparing his deer hunting needs to the sorrow of all those millions, is in front of the room making his case.</p>
<p>Imagine this unthinking hunter explaining how it is important to him to have his choice of hunting rifle, even if that meant decreased lack of safety for others.</p>
<p>No, let me try that again. Imagine this asshole yammering on and on about how he needs a fucking assault rifle to get &#8220;his deer&#8221; even if that means that we continue to live in a society in which babies and college students and everyone in between are occasionally gunned down in a massacre, and tens of thousands of others die annually through gun violence, including suicide, in order to allow  let that piece of shit have is goddamn toy.</p>
<p>Yeah, like that. Imagine it that way. I want all of you, in the actual audience when the actual deer hunter stands up to make his case, to imagine being in that room full of those people.</p>
<p>Then, react.</p>
<p>Because, you know what? They are in that room with you, in spirit.  They need you to assume you are with them, watching, listening, waiting, for you do do the right thing. And the right thing is not a stern look, or to look away, or to sit quietly.</p>
<p>The right thing to do is to gasp, then take a breath, then let it out.  Shout that person down. End that conversation. Make that conversation highly unlikely to happen again in that room with those people. This is not a matter of respecting someone&#8217;s voice. It is a matter of insisting that a misguided believe that a the needs of a hobby are equal to the lives of thousands and thousands of victims of our out of control gun culture.</p>
<p>React.</p>
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		<title>Senator Kelly Ayotte: Going down in flames</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 May 2013 22:07:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hey, guess what? It turns out that if 90% of the people want something, and it is the only right thing to do, and not doing it not only &#8220;not the right thing&#8221; but it is also an abysmally horrid, insensitive, immoral, and boneheaded thing to do, that YOU LOSE. Republican Senator Kelly Ayotte of &#8230; <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2013/05/01/senator-kelly-ayotte-going-down-in-flames/" class="more-link">Continue reading <span class="screen-reader-text">Senator Kelly Ayotte: Going down in flames</span> <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, guess what? It turns out that if 90% of the people want something, and it is the only right thing to do, and not doing it not only &#8220;not the right thing&#8221; but it is also an abysmally horrid, insensitive, immoral, and boneheaded thing to do, that YOU LOSE.</p>
<p>Republican Senator Kelly Ayotte of New Hampshire is going down in flames. She will be voted out of office entirely on the basis of her no vote on the background check law.  Good bye Kelly.</p>
<p>If you want to see the mechanism of pushback against hate and gun nuttery, have a look:</p>
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		<title>Sandy Hook: Their Horror, Our Country, Your Guns.</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2012 20:00:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Let me start with this. People talking about Sandy Hook need to stop saying that &#8220;20 children between the ages of 5 and 10 were killed.&#8221; That is technically true but misses an enormously important point and indicates that you really haven&#8217;t thought this through. All of the children who were killed were born between &#8230; <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/12/17/sandy-hook-their-horror-our-country-your-guns/" class="more-link">Continue reading <span class="screen-reader-text">Sandy Hook: Their Horror, Our Country, Your Guns.</span> <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me start with this. People talking about Sandy Hook need to stop saying that &#8220;20 children between the ages of 5 and 10 were killed.&#8221; That is technically true but misses an enormously important point and indicates that you really haven&#8217;t thought this through. All of the children who were killed were born between September 2005 and December 2006. They were all in the first grade, all in the same school year, and most of them in the same exact class. Sandy hook had about 100 students in that year. Now, the class is 20% smaller.</p>
<p>This means that every year for the next few years there will be a special, demographic, reminder of the killings. This will be the year with one fewer teacher and slightly more crowded classrooms, or the same number of teachers with smaller than typical classes, compared to the year ahead or behind. This will be the year when the number of busses needed for a field trip will sometiems be less than needed for the year before or the year after, as time marches on. In this particular school district, students consolidate into a middle school in the fifth grade, so the demographic shift will be less noticeable. Instead of 20% of the students missing, it will be 5%. But, that is not a small number when counting students, teachers, busses, desks, etc. It will be subtle, but the 7th grade history teacher will wait an extra year to order new textbooks. You see, one of the reasons to order a new volume, besides staying current, is attrition on the numbers of available books. When this class arrives that won&#8217;t be an issue for one more year. And so on. Many little things like this will happen, every week, to teachers, students, administrators. The memory, and thus the horror, of the Sandy Hook killings will be manifest in the details and will keep sneaking up on these people when they least expect it.</p>
<p>This is nothing, of course, compared to the horrors of the deaths and the circumstances surrounding them. But there will be times when a teacher will remember her fellow educator slain on that day while grading assignments and feeling the difference in numbers, or a student will notice that her section of the 4th grade concert assembly is smaller because her four best friends were slain while she hid in a cabinet, hearing her teacher trick the gunman into leaving the classroom just before being pumped with bullets. Will she remember the sound of her body falling to the floor or was it masked by the repeated gunfire or did she hear both sounds from her hiding place? You and I don&#8217;t know, but she&#8217;ll remember. If they make cute little year books for Elementary School graduation, this class will use less space, and it will take less time at the ceremony to hand out the scrolls. This will dawn on someone in the audience who will then be reminded of the horror, and if you are there, you&#8217;ll hear the sobbing.</p>
<p>Anyway, stop saying &#8220;20 children between the ages of 5 and 10&#8221; because that ignores the very important fact that these children were all the same exact age, as ages go.</p>
<p>Now, on to this point: Stop telling me that your guns are important. I don&#8217;t care about your guns. I have hobbies too, that don&#8217;t happen to involve guns and I don&#8217;t ask you to adjust your politics, to take risks of life and limb, to ignore the horrors of daily gunplay among testosterone poisoned men taking lives every few hours somewhere in this country, of the thousands of youth suicides every year facilitated by easy access to unsecured deadly firearms or the occasional horrific massacre. Do don&#8217;t do that to me. Don&#8217;t make me respect your stupid hobby which has, as a side effect, the horror that happened last week and will happen again in a few months, because these things happen every few months, in case you have not noticed because you are too busy playing with your precious little guns.</p>
<p>And then this. Don&#8217;t give me your made up, out of date, or irrelevant statistics. There have been enough studies. Not all fears (about guns) are real, but most of the accolades given to gun ownership are pipe dreams, or really, gunplay fantasies. When a conceal carry law was passed in Minnesota, anti-gun people feared more shootings, pro-gun people said we&#8217;d all be safer because when trouble happened, good guys would draw guns and stop it. Guess what. Neither happened. We had a major massacre here, in fact, just recently, a workplace shooting. No good guys drew their guns. So even if the number of shootings did not go up, the &#8220;good side&#8221; of allowing people to walk around slinging guns like they lived in the wild west did not happen either. But otherwise, the statistics generally show that more guns equals more bad things that happen with guns. If good things happen because of these guns, they are very small in number, very infrequent, occur at a very low rate, if at all.</p>
<p>To depict these relationships I&#8217;ve drawn two graphs. I don&#8217;t need to base them on data, because even though you will say &#8220;You are not a real skeptic if you make a graph with no data&#8221; (I dare you, say it in the comments), these two graphs summarize all that we know to be pretty much true. Here they are:</p>
<figure id="attachment_14977" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-14977" style="width: 300px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><a href="https://i0.wp.com/scienceblogs.com/gregladen/files/2012/12/GunsBad-copy.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="size-medium wp-image-14977" title="GunsBad copy" src="https://i0.wp.com/scienceblogs.com/gregladen/files/2012/12/GunsBad-copy-300x210.jpg?resize=300%2C210" alt="" width="300" height="210" data-recalc-dims="1" /></a><figcaption id="caption-attachment-14977" class="wp-caption-text">The more guns, the more bad shit that happens because of guns</figcaption></figure>
<figure id="attachment_14979" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-14979" style="width: 300px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><a href="https://i0.wp.com/scienceblogs.com/gregladen/files/2012/12/GunsGood-copy1.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="size-medium wp-image-14979" title="GunsGood copy" src="https://i0.wp.com/scienceblogs.com/gregladen/files/2012/12/GunsGood-copy1-300x210.jpg?resize=300%2C210" alt="" width="300" height="210" data-recalc-dims="1" /></a><figcaption id="caption-attachment-14979" class="wp-caption-text">If there is a positive effect of more guns, it is much less of an effect than the negative effects depicted above. This line, in real life, may in fact be flat.</figcaption></figure>
<p>Then this: The problem is the Second Amendment. With or without the Second Amendment, we could have sensible gun laws.Gun ownership could be legal, but guns could be better secured an less often used. But with the Second Amendment, the pro-gun lobby takes the most extreme stance possible because they argue that any limitations on gun use or ownership will lead to abrogation of all gun rights. I know lots and lots of gun owners who are happy with increased restrictions or increased security, but the NRA bought-and-paid-for elected officials and gun lobbyists don&#8217;t represent those reasonable people at all. They refuse to compromise. One of the false statistic you might have wanted to cite above before I told you to shut up is this: There have been lots of gun restrictions passed and they did not good. That is not true in two ways. First, increased restriction leads to fewer deaths, compared across states or across countries. Second, there have not been very restrictive gun laws passed, for the most part. I&#8217;ve seen gun nuts cite the assault weapons ban as having done nothing, without noting that it exists for a few years then expired.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the the thing. If gun ownership is OK, then lets make it ok, using laws. If gun owners really think that what they are doing is OK, then they should be able to do it without hiding behind an amendment that has nothing to do with Boys and their Toys or with Hunting, or even with addressing issues of crime, threats of rape, home invasion, etc. The Second Amendment does not limit restriction on guns so you can defend your home from criminals or go hunting. It is to defend your home from the British. If what you are doing with your guns is really OK, then why do you want to hide behind an atavistic centuries old out of date no longer relevant amendment?</p>
<p>So here&#8217;s what we do, OK? First, we get rid of the Second Amendment. Then, we talk. In the mean time, keep your fucking guns away from me and stop complaining. Society has reached a tipping point. We are tired of your bullying, your whining, your childish insistence that you are doing something important with your toys, because for the most part, you are not.</p>
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