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		<title>How the US National Press Is Hurting Democracy Right Now</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Feb 2020 17:58:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am astonished at how utterly ignorant journalists from national outlets are of the Iowa Caucus. If the Iowa Caucus going &#8220;wrong&#8221; can be the virtual end of the Democratic Party as we know it, and the end of all caucuses, you would think the press would know what they are. The press never notices &#8230; <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2020/02/05/how-the-us-national-press-is-hurting-democracy-right-now/" class="more-link">Continue reading <span class="screen-reader-text">How the US National Press Is Hurting Democracy Right Now</span> <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am astonished at how utterly ignorant journalists from national outlets are of the Iowa Caucus.  If the Iowa Caucus going &#8220;wrong&#8221; can be the virtual end of the Democratic Party as we know it, and the end of all caucuses, you would think the press would know what they are.  The press never notices that the total number of delegates awarded on precinct caucus night is less then the total number awarded by Iowa. You would think that if the caucus results being available a few hours after Chuck and Andrea&#8217;s bed time was an existential crisis for democracy, that they would also have noticed that half of the delegates that Iowa will send to the National Convention are not ever awarded on on this fateful evening to begin with.  Until the TV talking heads can explain how that works, they should really tone down their rhetoric on what did and did not happen in Iowa.</p>
<p>Here is a piece of information that might be helpful.  If the following is new to you, then you didn&#8217;t really know what the caucuses are.  If it sounds familiar, you probably still don&#8217;t know, but at least you have a vague idea. If you read and absorb all of this, you still don&#8217;t know because this is a 20,000 foot look at parts of a large and important grassroots system.</p>
<p>There is no such thing as &#8220;<strong>a </strong>caucus.&#8221; On &#8220;caucus night&#8221; there are hundreds of individual caucuses, and although there are prevailing rules, they are independent conversations happening among voters during which several tings are decided, including electing a very large number (maybe thousands?) of delegates to go on to engage in other levels of activity, things like resolutions to shape the party platform, party business, party officers, and so on. Oh, and during the Iowa precinct caucus process, there is the first part of a multi-part process that involves deciding on some of the national delegates.  So in that sense, what we think of as the Iowa Caucus is one piece of a multi-part part of a multi part thing. The day Chuck Todd can tell us how that works without screwing up the explanation is the day he gets to tell us what went wrong in any given year.</p>
<p>&#8220;The Iowa Caucus&#8221; is also not &#8220;<strong>A</strong> caucus&#8221; because it is the first of several stages of meetings. The first one is called a caucus, and the later ones are called conventions.  But the conventions are still caucuses, and at them, delegates are elected, generally among the larger initial number.  I believe (I&#8217;m a Minnesota caucus guy, not an Iowa caucus guy, so I many have this muddled a bit) that Iowa ultimately selects, during precinct caucuses, delegates who will ultimately be selected among to operate at the County level, Congressional District level, State level and National level.  These are grassroots party activists who engage in several important party activities, basically running the party, thus ensuring that the Iowa Democratic Party remains a grassroots organization with lots of knowledgeable and engaged volunteers.</p>
<p>Here is a common conversation on social media I am having these days:</p>
<p>Other person: &#8220;Caucuses suck. They dont&#8217; work. There should just be a primary. The system is broke. Bla bla bla.&#8221;</p>
<p>Me: &#8220;Which caucuses have you been involved in, I&#8217;d love to know specifically what is wrong.&#8221;</p>
<p>Other person: <em>silence because they have never been to a caucus and have no clue</em></p>
<p>Make no mistake. There are people who are involved in caucuses who don&#8217;t like them. But, that doesn&#8217;t make them right. Most of the complaints they have are invalid for one of the following reasons:</p>
<p>1) There are things wrong with caucus, and things wrong with primaries.  You can&#8217;t only complain about the one and not the other.</p>
<p>2) Things like &#8220;accessibility&#8221; and the like are often complained about. That is a factor, but it can be fixed, and good organizing units have fixed it. For instance, the caucus I help run is done at a huge facility that is among the most accessible in the region, and since the facility is capable of handling many thousands of people all day every day, our caucuses don&#8217;t stress things like handicapped parking, etc.  (Other caucuses are not as good as us, but that is not the problem of the caucus, but a problem that can and should be fixed.&#8221;)</p>
<p>3) Complaining about the caucus but ignoring the entire party structure, with conventions, central committees, etc. is like saying you don&#8217;t like a person because of their hat.  Maybe they have a stupid hat, but their hat is not as bad as your determination that they are a bad person because they have a bad hat.</p>
<p>4) It is said by haters that a caucus limits participation because it is held at a certain time at a certain place. That is true, for some potential participants. But it is also true that the caucus and convention system on balance enhances involvement, and that matters.  In addition, as noted several times already, the caucus is part of a larger process. Anybody in Minnesota&#8217;s Senate District 44 want to get meaningfully involved in DFL politics but can&#8217;t do the caucus? Find me, I&#8217;ll fix you up.  You can be very involved, influentially involved, meaningfully involved. But not if we have only a primary.</p>
<p>For every complaint about caucuses, I have one countervailing complaint about primaries: You can&#8217;t really buy a caucus (no, you can&#8217;t), but you can buy a primary.  In a time when we should be eating the rich, do we really want to give up the last of our grassroots power?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll just add this to complexity things.  Tonight I&#8217;m going to caucus with some people over support of a particular candidate for a local race. Two night ago, Iowa had its precinct caucus, and on Feb 25th Minnesota does that as well (though there will be nothing about the presidential race at that caucus). I&#8217;m a member of the DFL Environmental caucus, which does not caucus.  Recently, the Democrats in Minnesota, whose caucus is in the majority in the house but not in the Senate, formed the House Climate Change Action Caucus. And so on.</p>
<p>Not only is the thing that they call the &#8220;caucus&#8221; only one part of a larger, and good, thing, but the word &#8220;caucus&#8221; is a bit like the word &#8220;<a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/06/28/computer-terms-definitions-d/">desktop</a>&#8221; in that it means many things.  Until Chuck and Andrea and the other national reporters can keep all of this straight, and not just some of it, it is irresponsible of them to force changes in our political system because they are annoyed at the scheduling of events.</p>
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		<title>Election Season Starts Friday!</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jan 2020 15:28:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As we begin primary voting in Minnesota (early voting here starts Friday, January 17th) we are reminded that the actual election season, not just the never ending campaigning season, is upon us. One thing you should know before discussing the primary process, there are new rules for how delegates are to be awarded. The total &#8230; <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2020/01/14/election-season-starts-friday/" class="more-link">Continue reading <span class="screen-reader-text">Election Season Starts Friday!</span> <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As we begin primary voting in Minnesota (early voting here starts Friday, January 17th) we are reminded that the <em>actual</em> election season, not just the never ending campaigning season, is upon us.</p>
<p>One thing you should know before discussing the primary process, there are new rules for how delegates are to be awarded.</p>
<p>The total number of delegates in play on the first vote will be 3,768.  To gain the nomination, a candidate will have to get a majority of this this number, or 1884 plus one or more, on the first vote.   There are the usual &#8220;pledged&#8221; delegate vs. &#8220;unpledged&#8221; (the latter sometimes called &#8220;superdelegates&#8221;) but with fewer of the latter than in previous years, and they will not be voting on the first ballot. If no candidate meets the 1884+ threshold on the first ballot, all the delegates are released from prior pledges, and superdelegates are thrown into the mix.  Then, 4,532 delegates are in play, and a majority, or over 2266, will be required to win.</p>
<p>That is something of an oversimplification. If a single candidate goes into the convention with something like 2,267 pledged delegates, then superdelegates will be allowed to vote.  Notice how close the supermajority of pledged and the 50% threshold of all, are.  It feels like astrology, but I digress.</p>
<p>Among the pledged delegates, there is a 15% threshold rule per state in allocating delegates. If a candidate gets 15% or more of the vote/caucus delegates, they are in the running for allotted delegates. Then, among those who pass 15%, the delegates are allotted proportionately. If no one gets 15%, then the threshold shifts to one half of whatever the front runner got.  So, if the leading candidates gets 12%, then the new threshold is 6%.</p>
<p>Here are two of many possible examples of what could happen in a given state.</p>
<p><img fetchpriority="high" decoding="async" data-attachment-id="32583" data-permalink="https://gregladen.com/blog/2020/01/14/election-season-starts-friday/democraticdelegatedistributionexample/" data-orig-file="https://i0.wp.com/gregladen.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/DemocraticDelegateDistributionExample.png?fit=661%2C443&amp;ssl=1" data-orig-size="661,443" data-comments-opened="1" data-image-meta="{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}" data-image-title="DemocraticDelegateDistributionExample" data-image-description="" data-image-caption="" data-medium-file="https://i0.wp.com/gregladen.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/DemocraticDelegateDistributionExample.png?fit=300%2C201&amp;ssl=1" data-large-file="https://i0.wp.com/gregladen.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/DemocraticDelegateDistributionExample.png?fit=604%2C405&amp;ssl=1" src="https://i0.wp.com/gregladen.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/DemocraticDelegateDistributionExample-650x436.png?resize=604%2C405" alt="" width="604" height="405" class="aligncenter size-large wp-image-32583" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/gregladen.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/DemocraticDelegateDistributionExample.png?resize=650%2C436&amp;ssl=1 650w, https://i0.wp.com/gregladen.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/DemocraticDelegateDistributionExample.png?resize=300%2C201&amp;ssl=1 300w, https://i0.wp.com/gregladen.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/DemocraticDelegateDistributionExample.png?resize=500%2C335&amp;ssl=1 500w, https://i0.wp.com/gregladen.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/DemocraticDelegateDistributionExample.png?w=661&amp;ssl=1 661w" sizes="(max-width: 604px) 100vw, 604px" data-recalc-dims="1" /></p>
<p>The Iowa Caucuses are on February 3rd.  In polls, Biden and Sanders are about even, with Buttigieg and Warren competing for third place and all seem to be at or above the threshold.  However, the difference between public opinion polls and outcomes is potentially large in a caucus state, because the variation affected by &#8220;ground game&#8221; is directly reflected in polls when there is a primary, but not in a caucus.  In Iowa, keep an eye on Klobuchar, who claims to have a wining or at least result-surprising ground game in the Corn State.  That is not a false claim.  In other words, anything can happen in Iowa.  Iowa will be deciding the commitments for some 41 pledged delegates.</p>
<p>I currently predict, and this is a pure thumb suck estimate, that the four current front runners (Biden, Sanders, Buttigieg and Warren) will roughly split Iowa&#8217;s 41 pledged delegates, with Sanders taking the largest share, and Warren the smallest share.</p>
<p>Then comes the famous New Hampshire Primary, on February 11th.  New Hampshire has 24 pledged delegates, a very small number, but the Granite State is famous for being a tail wagging the giant sausage making political dog of democracy.  There is a good chance that New Hampshire will break in a very similar way as Iowa, with Biden, Sanders, Warren, and Buttigieg all reaching the threshold and sharing delegates with Biden and Sanders getting equal numbers at the top, Warren third, and Buttigieg fourth. But, either Warren or Buttigieg, or both, could fail to meet the 15% threshold. The latest Boston Herald poll has Buttigieg way below that number and Warren near it.  Other recent polls have both below it.  New Hampshire may well be the make or break moment for Buttigieg.</p>
<p>Then comes the Nevada Caucus on February 22nd. As usual,  Nevada has less polling than other states, but there is enough to identify Biden, Sanders and Warren as, once again, the top tier, but with Warren repeatedly polling at just below the threshold.  Buttigieg hovers just below them, and not looking like he&#8217;d get the 15% threshold.  There is a good chance Biden and Sanders will split Nevada&#8217;s 36 pledged delegates roughly evenly.  This could be a make or break caucus for Warren.  But, maybe not.</p>
<p>Then, on Feb 29th, we have the South Carolina primary.  The first two events are mainly white semi-rural or rural people deciding who should be president. Nevada Democrats have significant diversity but mainly Hispanic, and a strong labor component. But elections are won or lost on the basis of African American support in this country, and South Carolina is the first event with significant African American participation.  Here, Biden is way ahead of everyone else, with Sanders and Warren sharing a distant second place, and hugging that 15% threshold a little too closely for comfort. It is possible  that Biden will walk away with all of South Carolina&#8217;s 54 pledged delegates.  Recent polling has shown Steyer as a factor in this state, and if that is correct, it could be Biden and Steyer splitting those delegates at about a 2:1 ratio.  That all depends on if we believe Steyer is for real.  I, personally, am not sure.</p>
<p>At this point, what we know now will still be true: Biden and Sanders are front runners. Warren is a factor, likely Butigieg is a factor.  If nothing unusual happens, we will be entering Super Tuesday with a Biden-Sanders fight. However, Warren could outperform and pop, or Butigieg could take the threshold in three of these four states, or Steyer could buy his way in, er, I mean, well, whatever, you know what I mean. The point is this: We are watching a horse race with two odds-on horses, both old white guys but one progressive and one centrist, and one of them likely to win. But, there are these two or three other horses in the race that could woosh by either or both of them in these first four furlongs.</p>
<p>But then, Super Tuesday comes along. Sixteen entities, mostly states, vote on Super Tuesday, for a total of 1357 pledged delegates.  Using information from polling, or if no polling exists, the thumb-suck-estimate method, assuming that no candidate has an unexpected break-through event in early states (or otherwise), and assuming that Biden, Warren, and Sanders are the only candidates likely to be viable for most of the primaries (Klobuchar will take a good number of Minnesota votes), the following shows a reasonable estimate of the outcome of Super Tuesday. Remember, this is based only on polls (this is not a predictive model) and polls are sparse in many of these states.</p>
<p><img decoding="async" data-attachment-id="32585" data-permalink="https://gregladen.com/blog/2020/01/14/election-season-starts-friday/supertuesdayestimate/" data-orig-file="https://i0.wp.com/gregladen.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/SuperTuesdayEstimate.png?fit=671%2C618&amp;ssl=1" data-orig-size="671,618" data-comments-opened="1" data-image-meta="{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}" data-image-title="SuperTuesdayEstimate" data-image-description="" data-image-caption="" data-medium-file="https://i0.wp.com/gregladen.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/SuperTuesdayEstimate.png?fit=300%2C276&amp;ssl=1" data-large-file="https://i0.wp.com/gregladen.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/SuperTuesdayEstimate.png?fit=604%2C557&amp;ssl=1" src="https://i0.wp.com/gregladen.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/SuperTuesdayEstimate-650x599.png?resize=604%2C557" alt="" width="604" height="557" class="aligncenter size-large wp-image-32585" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/gregladen.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/SuperTuesdayEstimate.png?resize=650%2C599&amp;ssl=1 650w, https://i0.wp.com/gregladen.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/SuperTuesdayEstimate.png?resize=300%2C276&amp;ssl=1 300w, https://i0.wp.com/gregladen.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/SuperTuesdayEstimate.png?resize=500%2C461&amp;ssl=1 500w, https://i0.wp.com/gregladen.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/SuperTuesdayEstimate.png?w=671&amp;ssl=1 671w" sizes="(max-width: 604px) 100vw, 604px" data-recalc-dims="1" /></p>
<p>This is, in my view, the &#8220;null model&#8221; of what is going to happen between now and the day after Super Tuesday.  It is a model to be defied by individual candidates, broken by the voters, altered by circumstances, manipulated by the Russians, etc.  There is more uncertainty in this season&#8217;s Democratic primary than seen in the recent past, especially with a couple of billionaires showing up at the last second to buy the presidency, and according to the polling, making a dent.</p>
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		<title>Falsehood: &#8220;Voters are kept from political involvement by the rules&#8221;</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Oct 2017 01:44:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Voting is not party involvement. We hear a lot of talk these days about &#8220;voters&#8221; being repressed in their attempt to be involved in the Democratic primary process. There may be something to that, and it might be nice to make it easier for people to wake up on some (usually) Tuesday morning and go &#8230; <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/10/22/falsehood-voters-kept-political-involvement-rules/" class="more-link">Continue reading <span class="screen-reader-text">Falsehood: &#8220;Voters are kept from political involvement by the rules&#8221;</span> <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Voting is not party involvement.</p>
<p>We hear a lot of talk these days about &#8220;voters&#8221; being repressed in their attempt to be involved in the Democratic primary process.  There may be something to that, and it might be nice to make it easier for people to wake up on some (usually) Tuesday morning and go and vote in a Democratic or Republican primary or visit a caucus.  But there is a difference between a desire for a reform and the meaningful understanding of that reform &#8212; why we want it, how to do it, and what it will get us &#8212; that makes it important to do what we Anthropologists sometimes call &#8220;problemetizing the concept.&#8221;</p>
<p>We can start with the statement that in the primary system, &#8220;Voters should not be kept from involvement by rules that make it impossible for them to engage in the democratic (small &#8220;d&#8221;) process.&#8221;  That sentence seems reasonable, even important, and is essentially a call for open, instead of closed, primaries, or in some cases, for replacing a caucus with a primary.  <span id="more-9693"></span></p>
<p>The first part of the sentence that is problematic is the word &#8220;voters.&#8221; Yes, people who vote in a primary are voting, and thus voters, but that is not really what a voter is in our democratic system. A voter is a person who votes in the general election for a constitutional candidate. The constitutional candidates got on the ballot, usually, through our party system in which a formally recognized party puts someone on the ballot by filling out the right paper work and following a bunch of law-based rules and some other rules that the party itself makes up.  The person who goes and votes in a primary is doing something subtly but importantly different. They are participating in the party&#8217;s process of selecting a candidate.  In theory, this could be done with no voting. It could be done by people meeting several times to pick surrogates, who will be delegates to a convention. Even when it seems like one is visiting a polling location and casting a vote for a candidate, that is not really what you are doing.  You are actually casting a vote that will be put together with all of the other votes cast in that state for use in a formula that will cause chosen delegates to vote a certain way on the first ballot at a national convention, after which they can do (more or less) what they want.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen people use the word &#8220;elect&#8221; and &#8220;election&#8221; in reference to what people are doing during the primary process.  But we are not doing that.  The statement that &#8220;Voters should not be kept from involvement by rules that make it impossible for them to engage in the democratic process.&#8221; is improperly framed, because what happens in the primary process does not really involve voters, but rather, individuals who are participating in a party&#8217;s process in a way that often involves casting a ballot, but really not a ballot for a particular candidate.</p>
<p>Now lets travel down the sentence a bit farther until we get to the phrase &#8220;kept from.&#8221;</p>
<p>There are a lot of ways to keep someone from casting a ballot or caucusing that are bad and that should be fixed. In Minnesota we cast our presidential preference ballot during a one hour time period at a large building (usually a school) with inadequate parking, often far from where people live, not on a bus route, in the dark (lots of people don&#8217;t drive in the dark), under conditions that are dauntingly chaotic.  It is assumed, almost certainly correctly, that this causes a lot of people to not even show up.  If an insufficient number of polling places is arranged so it takes hours of waiting to pick your candidate, or if you show up and somehow you are not allowed to vote because your name has been incorrectly removed from the registration list, or something along those lines, then you are being kept out.  These and similar things are bad and should be fixed.</p>
<p>But a lot of the &#8220;kept from&#8221; stuff is not about any of that. Rather, it is about the particular rules a party uses (or all the parties in a state, in some cases) that the participant must know about and follow in order to be involved in the process.  In New York you have to be registered in a party to vote in that party&#8217;s primary.  In New Hampshire it, a registered Democrat must vote in the Democratic Primary, a registered Republican can vote in the Republican primary, and a registered Independent can pick at the last second which of those two party&#8217;s primary to vote in.  I&#8217;ll discuss in a moment why these rules a) should be changed and b) shouldn&#8217;t be changed.  For now, though, we need to recognize that these are not things done to keep one from involvement. They are simply the rules for being involved.  Potential party primary participants who are kept out of the process because of these rules are, essentially, repressing themselves (sadly).</p>
<p>Now let&#8217;s go even further down the sentence (&#8220;Voters should not be kept from involvement by rules that make it impossible for them to engage in the democratic process.&#8221;) and look at the word &#8220;involvement.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve already implied that involvement in the primary or caucus process is not the same thing as voting, even if you think you are voting at the time, because you really aren&#8217;t quite voting for a candidate (I quickly add that yes, this is true with the Electoral College as well, but generally we feel that we have an inalienable right to vote in the general election for all sorts of candidates, and only one of those offices is somewhat indirect, and perhaps it shouldn&#8217;t be).</p>
<p>Involvement is not casting a ballot in a primary or standing on a table holding up a sign in a caucus one time.  Involvement is bigger than that.</p>
<p>Consider Sorkin&#8217;s Rule &#8220;Decisions are made by those who show up.&#8221; That is actually not true.  Important decisions about complicated things require multiple conversations, meetings, etc. The actual rule should be &#8220;Decisions are made by those who show up. And then show up a few more times.&#8221;</p>
<p>I suspect that the majority of people who are pointing at long established party rules and complaining about being kept form involvement really don&#8217;t want to be &#8220;involved&#8221; in the way it takes to really be involved because it takes a fair amount of work.  Rather, people seem to want to vote for a candidate and go home, and have that be all there is to it, and have it count.  But involvement is actually more complicated than that, and may require more work than that.</p>
<p>For example, consider the recent caucus in Minnesota.</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t actually caucus for president here, although it is called that. Rather, we cast a vote (as described above) just like in a primary, but a rather badly done primary.  In Minnesota, as well as in other states, that vote ultimately determines only one thing: how will the delegates that the state sends to the national convention vote on the first ballot.  If you want a particular candidate to survive an open convention, or if you want your candidate&#8217;s party platform planks to be considered, you better send a delegate supporting your candidate to the national convention somehow, and do some other things. To do this, you will have to show up not just once, but a couple or a few times.</p>
<p>In Minnesota, we had that preference ballot, and at the same event (the precinct caucus) people were able to present resolutions, which could ultimately be part of the party platform if approved by enough people.  The resolutions that go through this process <em>are</em> the party platform, and the party platform doesn&#8217;t come from anywhere else.  So resolutions are presented at the precinct caucus, and voted on, and if approved, go on to the next level.  Also, at this precinct caucus, delegates are selected to go forward in the process.</p>
<p>A few weeks later, there is a Senate District convention. All the precinct level resolutions are listed on a ballot, and the delegates that moved forward can vote on them. Delegates are welcome to rise in support or opposition of a resolution, and there is discussion among all the delegates of these resolutions.  So the voting itself is a democratic process, but that process is enhanced by a conversation at which questions can be raised and answered and issues can be clarified.  The resolutions that are passed on will likely become part of the state party&#8217;s platform.</p>
<p>A this event, the delegates select among themselves a smaller set of delegates that will go on to the next level (Congressional District or County).  Those delegates will form the pool from which the national delegates are ultimately chosen, and they will vote on other party issues at higher levels of the caucus process.</p>
<p>That, folks, is involvement. If you go forward to this level and participate, you have influenced the party platform, and you have influenced which actual people go forward as delegates. Maybe you yourself will even be one of these delegates.</p>
<p>Sticking for a moment with Minnesota, let me tell you what happened at my caucuses, because it is illustrative of a key point I&#8217;m trying to make here.</p>
<p>There were about twice as many votes cast in the presidential preference ballot than individuals who stayed in the room to participate.  The people in the room were the usual Democrats who show up every two or for years, among whom were several Clinton supporters and several Sanders supporters. I&#8217;m pretty sure the two people running the show included one Clinton supporter (my guess) and one Sanders supporter (I know that for a fact. Hi Robin.)</p>
<p>Note to Sanders supporters: Those of you who voted and left gave up an opportunity for involvement.  Casing your ballot was easy, and thank you for doing that. But it wasn&#8217;t enough.</p>
<p>Also in the room were about a dozen Sanders supporters who I&#8217;m pretty sure (and in some cases, I&#8217;m certain of this) had not participated in the process before, ever, even though their ages ran from just eligible to vote to mid 40s or so.  The chair of the caucus asked for a show of hands of how many people were new to the process. Several hands went up, and the rest of us cheered them and welcomed them. In other words, what some might call the &#8220;party insiders&#8221; (people who show up again and again) welcomed the noobies, and were very happy to have them there. So this was about a 50-50 mix of Clinton-Sanders supporters cheering on a bunch of new folks who were likely in majority Sanders supporters.</p>
<p>It was interesting to see what happened when resolutions were presented.  Some of the resolutions caused these newer folks to take notice and ask questions.  Two resolutions asked that various aspects of medical coverage for transgender medicine be restored to the state health plan.  These provisions had been removed by the Republicans, and the Democrats wanted them back.  The Sanders Noobies said things like &#8220;this shouldn&#8217;t apply to kids&#8221; and &#8220;this is a lifestyle choice, why should it be paid for by taxpayer?&#8221; and such. They did not understand that those are issues that have long been dealt with by the medical community, and were not concerns.  (Much of this was explained to them by a transgender woman who was in the room).  Once the Sanders Noobies understood this, they supported the resolutions (mainly, there were a couple of conservatives who voted against several liberal resolutions, which is of course their right). The same thing, roughly, happened with two or three other resolutions having to do with issues of race and racism.</p>
<p>That was fantastic.  Sanders supporters, involved in the political process for the first time, were engaged in a conversation in which they became more aware of certain issues, and asked questions, and had a conversation.</p>
<p>Note to Sanders supporters: Those of you who stayed at the caucus meeting contributed to the conversation and learned more about the issues. That was involvement. Thank you for doing that.</p>
<p>At the Senate caucus, the resolutions were available to vote on, and there was extensive conversation about them.  The conversation was so extensive that the chair of the caucus noted that he had never seen such involvement.  Oh, and by the way, he also asked for a show of hands of those who were there for the first time.  There were many, and the rest of us applauded and cheered them, and thanked them.</p>
<p>The Senate District Caucus, as noted, selects a subset of delegates to go forward.  This was done as a walking caucus, and because of the way a walking caucus works, people were divided up into groups that had a candidate&#8217;s name (or uncommitted) along with an issue. For example, &#8220;Sanders and wealth inequality&#8221; or &#8220;Clinton and health care&#8221; or &#8220;Uncommitted and education,&#8221; etc.</p>
<p>The number of delegates that were elected to go on were about 50-50 Sanders vs. Clinton. (Slightly more for Clinton than Sanders.) In other words, a Sanders win in the presidential ballot preference (at the Precinct Caucus) was erased with respect to the delegates that went forward.  Our Precinct caucus was allowed to send some 12 delegates forward, but only about 6 people volunteered, and of those, only two showed up at the Senate District Caucus.</p>
<p>Decisions are made by those who show up. <em>Multiple times</em>.</p>
<p>So the outcome of this process was that the ratio of Sanders to Clinton delegates who would support one of the candidates in a second ballot, or in convention business, or with the party platform, from our caucus, does not reflect the presidential ballot exactly because Sanders supporters did not show up.  I checked on some other Senate District Caucuses, and others had better numbers for Sanders, but I think the final outcome is close to 50-50.</p>
<p>Note to Sanders supporters: Showing up at the precinct caucus to cast a presidential ballot, and then not showing up again, was not enough.</p>
<p>A walking caucus is a bit complicated, and there is a way to do it to maximize a preferred outcome in terms of delegates passed on to the next level. I note that the Clinton supporters at that event did so, but the Sanders supporters probably lost one delegate because the were imperfect in their strategy. Why were thy imperfect? Because this process, which is highly democratic, grass roots, conversational, and all that, is also a little complicated.  In order to do it right, it is helpful to have a number of people who know what they are doing (because they did it once or twice before, or got a half hour of lessons form someone who knows how to do it &#8230; very doable) on your side.  The Sanders Noobs, bless their pointy heads, may have lost one delegate because they did not show up multiple times over the long term (from year to year) and the Sanders campaign did not bother to engage in the &#8220;ground game&#8221; in Minnesota.</p>
<p>This illustrates a problem with democracy. The problem is not that the process is necessarily complicated so the good guys lose.  The problem is that having a real conversation and real involvement is not simple, and requires a little more effort. This puts a small disadvantage on the insurgent, but only a small one.  The outcome is that people show up, talk, listen, learn, influence, make things happen.</p>
<p>A word about New Hampshire, as promised.</p>
<p>In New Hampshire, you register for a party (Democratic or Republican) or as an independent. This registration then limits your choices for what happens in a primary (so it is a semi-closed primary). People who say they want the rules changed to allow better involvement object to this. If you are a Republican who decides you prefer a Democrat, you can&#8217;t vote for the Democrat.  That is, of course, not really true because this is not the general election, it is the primary, but whatever.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the thing, though. If you are an independent in New Hampshire, you are a special political snowflake.  The activists and campaigners in both major parties have your name (you are registered) and will court you and buy you coffee and talk to you and visit you and call you on the phone and give you a lot of attention, and pay careful attention to what you say.  You are the subset of people who will determine the outcome of the primary, in many cases.  This is a situation where the rules, which are restrictive, actually enhance and amplify involvement for those who register in this manner.</p>
<p>Something like this happens at a different level of intensity with party registration in general. Even where there is no registration in a party (like in Minnesota, we don&#8217;t register here), there is a list of probable party supporters. This underlies strategies for mailings, coffee clutches in homes, door to door visits, etc.  Here&#8217;s a hint: If you want to have a bit more influence in the process, donate five dollars to a candidate.  You and your views will be attended to, at least to some extent.</p>
<p>A word about party platforms.  People say, without evidence generally, that party platforms are not important, that no one pays attention to them. At the state level, this is simply not true. The party platform is the legislative agenda of the party.  The success of a party&#8217;s effort during a legislative session is measured by the degree to which the party platform, which was determined by the people who showed up &#8212;<em> multiple times</em> &#8212; was put into effect. Seated legislators and governors take credit for their implementation of the platform, or find reasons to explain (often blaming the other party) why planks from the platform were not implemented, in their campaign speeches, campaign literature, and appeals for funding.</p>
<p>It might be true that these things matter less at the national level, but there are some good reasons for that. National policy implementation is often more reactionary than at the state level because politics are often shaped by unexpected international events or an uncooperative economy.  But it still matters.</p>
<p>Now, back to Minnesota for a moment, for another stab at problematizing the premise.  All that caucus stuff I&#8217;m talking about allows involvement by citizens to shape the political future at the local, state, and national levels.  But we often hear that a simple primary, where you just vote and go home, counts as better, or more real, or more meaningful involvement in the political process. (This of course ignores the fact that voting in a primary does not influence the party platform or other party issues.)</p>
<p>In Minnesota we also have a primary. It happens late in the process.  One of the main objectives of the caucus system is to endorse candidates for Congress, and rat the state level and below (but not municipal, usually).  The caucuses can endorse a candidate, but that endorsement does not mean that the candidate is put forward by the party.  The candidate is only put forward if they get the majority of votes in the primary.   Often, probably almost all the time in fact, the various candidates for a particular office fight for the endorsement, then drop out if they don&#8217;t get it.  But sometimes one of those candidates, or an entirely different candidate that was not even involved in the endorsement process, puts their name in the primary and runs.</p>
<p>The reason this is interesting and important vis-a-vis the key points I&#8217;m making here is this. The system that many seem to prefer because they think it is true involvement (and anyone can vote in either primary, there are no restrictions, in Minnesota) actually has the potential to circumvent and obviate the grass roots endorsement process. It allows a person with means to swoop in and become the party&#8217;s nominee.  This happened recently two times. In one case, a person of means swooped in and took the party&#8217;s nomination form the endorsed candidate for governor. He won the election and became one of the best governors we&#8217;ve ever had. In a different case, a person with means swooped in to try to take the party&#8217;s nomination at the primary from a highly regarded much loved State Auditor, who had been endorsed. In that case, the swooper spent piles of money on the primary but was roundly shellacked, losing in an historic landslide.</p>
<p>Note to those who want to switch to having a simple primary for everything because it allows for more democratic involvement by the citizens; No, it doesn&#8217;t.</p>
<p><em>&#8220;Voters should not be kept from involvement by rules that make it impossible for them to engage in the democratic (small &#8220;d&#8221;) process.&#8221; </em></p>
<p>It is not a simple truth that closed primaries or caucuses limit involvement.  That can happen, but limitations (i.e., as in New Hampshire) can increase involvement.  Citizens who want to be involved but found this difficult because they did not know or follow the rules have repressed their own involvement. Personally, I would advocate for open caucuses or open primaries, so I don&#8217;t disagree with the proposals being made so vocally these days. But I think that many who are calling for such reform do not really understand why we want it, how to do it, and what it will get us, and what we might in some cases lose from it.</p>
<p>The caucus system is better than the primary system in many ways, because it encourages and allows a lot of involvement. But in those instances were we are basically voting for a preference, the caucus system can be stifling.   We need to ask what we want, how to do it, and what it will get us, at a more detailed level, and then find solutions that may in some cases be hybrids, or may in some cases require only minor tweaking in the system.</p>
<p>I think people need to ask themselves why they are independents.  Some people are independents because they dislike the party system, but I&#8217;m sure they are wrong to think that. Parties are organizations that give voice and power to regular people.  We should work towards enhancing that effect, not tossing it like bathwater out the window.  Others recognize that being independent gives them a bit more political power than being a party member, in some cases.  Those folks have a problem in states where not being registered in a party takes you out of the primary process. Those individuals have to decide if they want to engage in a party system for a given year or not, or they need to advocate for an open system in their state.  I recommend following the first strategy immediately &#8212; learn the rules and use the party system when appropriate &#8212; while advocating long term for the second strategy.  What I do not recommend is complaining about a system you don&#8217;t fully understand and demanding specific changes that would actually reduce, rather than increase, your involvement.</p>
<p>I also suggest that people do two other things. One is to remember that the primary system is a totally different process than the general election.  In a way, you can&#8217;t actually suppress voting in a primary, because a primary (or caucus) is a way a party, which could select nominees in any of a number of ways, reaches out the the people. Furthermore, you are not really voting for a candidate, but for delegates, and by voting and walking away, you are not really even doing that.</p>
<p>The other thing is to understand the numbers better. This is a bit of a digression from the main points of this post, but important.  Remember my comments above about percentages of Sanders vs. Clinton supporters in various subsets of people at these events.  It is not the case that the &#8220;party faithful&#8221; or &#8220;established Democrats&#8221; (people who show up multiple times) are Clinton supporters and the Noobs are Sanders supporters. Yes, there are differences in proportion, but evidence from Minnesota belies this oversimplification. My best guess is that about half the established Democrats (we call ourselves DFLers here) in Minnesota are for Sanders, and half are for Clinton, but Sanders won the presidential preference ballot because some extra people who were mainly Sanders supporters showed up. But then many of those Sanders supporters did not show up multiple times.  The influence they had was to put the state in the Sanders win column, but remember the numbers. Sanders only got a couple of more national delegates than Clinton, and in the end the two candidates will have the same number of supporters, I predict, at the convention. So, the only influence there is in one &#8212; critical but singular &#8212; event at the convention, the first ballot.</p>
<p>Democracy is great, and democracy is hard. There are reforms that are necessary, but gravitating towards easy, thinking that enhances democracy, is foolish.  If you make it too easy it will not be as great.</p>
<p>And, really, it isn&#8217;t all that hard.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[Super Delegates exist for good reasons. In order for them to do their job, which hopefully is never, they need to have two characteristics. These are: 1) The capacity for thoughtful and well informed decision making at the convention, in case something untoward has happened to require this. 2) Independence with respect to whom to &#8230; <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/05/08/fixing-the-super-delegate-problem/" class="more-link">Continue reading <span class="screen-reader-text">Fixing The Super Delegate Problem</span> <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Super Delegates exist for good reasons.  In order for them to do their job, which hopefully is never, they need to have two characteristics. These are:</p>
<p>1) The capacity for thoughtful and well informed decision making at the convention, in case something untoward has happened to require this.</p>
<p>2) Independence with respect to whom to vote for &#8230; in other words, being unpledged.</p>
<p>A big downside of Super Delegates is that they tend to endorse a candidate early in the process. This is their right as Americans and it may be seen by some of them as their duty as politicians or party officials (which most are). This results in a lot of problems, not the least of which is people wanting to get rid of Super Delegates, forgetting that they can have a very important role now and then.</p>
<p>So, I have a solution that I think would work.  It is blindingly simple. It will be opposed by elected officials and party officials who like being Super Delegates, because as part of my plan, they don&#8217;t automatically get to do this job.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the plan.</p>
<p>First, you decide what percentage of delegates should be unpledged (the more correct term for &#8220;Super Delegate&#8221;). Let&#8217;s say, for now, 10%.</p>
<p>Then, you have a primary or caucus in a given state.  Say there are 100 delegates in total normally awarded in that state.</p>
<p>Then, you proportion the delegates across the candidates, for the first round of voting at the national convention. Say each candidate got half the votes in a primary, this means you are sending 50 delegates for each candidate. So far this is very simple, very democratic.</p>
<p>Then, the last step in choosing delegates among these that have the potential to act as super delegates should the need arise.</p>
<p>At the convention, there are two possibilities. One is that there are no Super Delegates, and everyone votes as pledged proportionately. The other is that the 10% of designateed Super Delegates are released, and can do what they feel is right.</p>
<p>At the opening of the convention, when rules are being adopted, the motion is put to the convention as to whether or not the designated Super Delegates be released.  The default rule is that they are NOT released. Normally, a rule suspension (which would be required to release the delegates) would require a 60% vote.  So, if the full body of delegates at the convention choose with a 60% majority to release the delegates, then they are released. Normally, this would not happen.</p>
<p>The down side of this is the possibility that a candidate can pack the delegates with unfaithful individuals. I&#8217;m Candidate A, you are Candidate B, and I am going to play this game with you.  I get a bunch of potential delegates, actual individuals who have a good chance of becoming delegates to the national convention, to pretend to represent you. They get elected as your delegates in this state where we each got 50% of the vote, but I secretly have 60+% of the individuals in this delegation at my bidding.  When it comes to rule suspension, my people vote to suspend the pledge rule. I do this in every state, and now the Super Delegates can vote for whomever they want, plus I&#8217;ve got these sleepers that, if there is as second ballot, I own. If the race is close, this could give me the majority on the first vote, if it is somewhat less close, it could cause a failed ballot the first time around, then I get my other sleepers to vote for me, I win, you lose. Bwahahahaha.</p>
<p>This sort of game playing is a) likely to happen (similar things have happened before) and b) not likely to be very successful. But it could be successful enough. Therefore, it might be a good idea to make the required super majority to be 65% rather than 60%.</p>
<p>Anyway, with this system, most election years, there really won&#8217;t be any Super Delegates, effectively, but they are there if needed.</p>
<p>This could work. Somebody start a petition or something!</p>
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		<title>Who Will Win The New York Democratic Primary?</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Apr 2016 17:37:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As you know, I&#8217;ve been applying a model to predict the outcome of each of the Democratic Primary contests, and have done pretty well at predicting results. All of the future contests are primaries, not caucuses. It turns out that the two modes have very different patterns. Many have suggested that this has to do &#8230; <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/04/18/who-will-win-the-new-york-democratic-primary/" class="more-link">Continue reading <span class="screen-reader-text">Who Will Win The New York Democratic Primary?</span> <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As you know, I&#8217;ve been applying a model to predict the outcome of each of the Democratic Primary contests, and have done pretty well at predicting results.</p>
<p>All of the future contests are primaries, not caucuses.  It turns out that the two modes have very different patterns.  Many have suggested that this has to do with how the process works, and somehow caucuses, or open contests, favor Sanders, who has won several.  However, it also turns out that caucusing is a northern thing (and Sanders does somewhat better in the north, or more accurately perhaps, rarely wins in the south). Caucusing is also a white thing, apparently. Caucuses happen in non-southern mostly white states, and these are states that Sanders can (but does not always) win.</p>
<p>Since the remainder of the contests are primaries, I used my simple ethnic-based model, which predicts the outcome of the various contests based on the estimated percentage of African American voters.  I used only data from previous primaries to develop a simple linear model.  This model applied to all of the future contests, starting with New York, tells us that Clinton will win in New York.</p>
<p>After that, Sanders wins in several smaller and mostly norther states, but also, California . Clinton wins in Pennsylvania and New Jersey, which are relatively large.  If this plays out as predicted, between now and the end of the primary season, Hillary Clinton will pick up about 795 delegates and Sanders will pick up about 778 delegates.</p>
<p>How many delegates does each candidate have so far? Clinton has approximately 1310 and Sanders approximately 1094.  (This is approximate because in some states it is actually a little hard to count because of the nature of the system.)</p>
<p>Here is a table showing all of my projections from here on out. I&#8217;ll probably redo the model a few more times, especially if anything unexpected happens, so stay tuned.</p>
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		<title>Who Won The Democratic Debate of 17 January 2016?</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2016 16:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have studiously avoided picking a Democratic candidate to support. I will not have to decide until Super Tuesday, when Minnesotans caucus to support one or another candidate. I like Hillary Clinton for a number of reasons, including the simple fact that she has considerable experience in the Executive branch, and is a person who &#8230; <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/01/18/who-won-the-democratic-debate-of-17-january-2016/" class="more-link">Continue reading <span class="screen-reader-text">Who Won The Democratic Debate of 17 January 2016?</span> <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have studiously avoided picking a Democratic candidate to support.  I will not have to decide until Super Tuesday, when Minnesotans caucus to support one or another candidate.  I like Hillary Clinton for a number of reasons, including the simple fact that she has considerable experience in the Executive branch, and is a person who can get things done.  If I got to pick the president (skipping the election process entirely), I&#8217;d probably pick Sanders because I&#8217;m all in on the revolution in American policy. Both candidates are actually in close agreement on most of the key issues.  Neither came to the game with a strong climate change policy, and that is a strong negative for both of them, but they have gotten on board at least rhetorically.  Not good enough, but the best we have.  Both are against involving the US in a Middle Eastern quagmire. Both seem to be in favor of election reform, but Bernie is right that he&#8217;s the one acting like it already happened while Clinton is not. Yet, we can&#8217;t hold that against Hillary any more than we held it against President Obama when he won two elections. The electability argument may have favored Clinton at one point during the current primary race, but that same argument has been effectively made against her, and Sanders&#8217; electability quotient seems to be rising.</p>
<p>Regardless, I strongly oppose the internecine arguing and sniping among supporters of both candidates.  I sense that much of the really nasty anti-Clinton/Sanders yammering comes from people who are fairly new to the process and have yet to be disappointed by the outcome of such efforts that tend to harm one&#8217;s own chances of being represented in the White House.</p>
<p>Notice how much sniping there was during the debate among the actual candidates. Some, but not much.  Also, they pointed out agreements on a number of occasions. All three candidates (and no, I&#8217;ve not forgotten O&#8217;Malley) made strong points against the Republicans, especially Donald Trump, but there were not enough such jabs.</p>
<p>[Note: Some of the sniping in brought to you by your friendly opposition party. <a href="http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/05/17/us/politics/the-right-aims-at-democrats-on-social-media-to-hit-clinton.html">See this</a>.]</p>
<p>Still, I hope that both Clinton and Sanders supporters take a page out of the play books of their own candidates and cut back on the damaging attacks.  One of those two candidates is going to get the Democratic nomination, and regardless of which one goes against the Republican, it is essential that individual wins.  Supporters of the candidate that looses have to put their big kid pants on, suck it up, and get into the fight full steam ahead to assure that this happens.</p>
<p>I think of it as a recreational boxing match between marines in combat.  Have a fair fight, try to win, but after the fight is over, the guy you knocked out is going to have to be in a condition to save your life later. If you kill your opponent, you&#8217;ve killed an important ally.  This is why I think the most severe intra-party attacks are probably by noobs and youngies.  They&#8217;ve not seen the loser of a primary jump into the general election context and help their former opponent win. That does, in fact, happen.  Notice that Bill Clinton helped Barack Obama win, and Hillary Clinton served in the top cabinet post in President Obama&#8217;s administration.</p>
<p>OK, so that&#8217;s what I needed to get off my chest.  Now, who won the debate?</p>
<p>I scored the candidates using a very subjective informal system during the entire debate.  My scoring was based not on how much I personally agreed or disagreed with the candidate&#8217;s position. Again, the candidates are actually very close on most positions anyway. Rather, I scored the candidates on how they presented their case. Even there, I did not score on how much their approach resonated with my thinking, but with how I felt their rhetorical approach met the needs of a candidate talking to the American people.</p>
<p>I was looking at the candidates debating like a campaign advisor might look at their candidate, to refine the rhetorical and tactical approach.</p>
<p>Let me give you an example. I took points off Sanders&#8217; discussion of &#8220;Medicare for All&#8221; in which he said that the middle class would have to pay taxes to get that benefit.  He made the point that the overall output of the average middle class family would go down because the increase in taxes would be less than the current cost of expensive medical insurance, mainly by cutting out the insurance companies.  I agree with that, but he lost points because he needed to put it another way.  Overtly and even proudly claiming a tax increase, no matter how sensible, is not a good campaign strategy.  He loses points not for being honest, but for having a policy that guarantees that enough voters can be turned against him on that one issue to throw a close election.</p>
<p>This is not unimportant.  There are better ways he could have made the same case. After all, Medicare is not paid for with income tax.  Future expanded Medicare does not need to be either.  Indeed, as a policy, sinking health care cost into general income tax is a bad idea, possibly, because of Congress. Congress is constitutionally empowered to do whatever they want with that money. A strong Republican Congress during a serious budget crisis could eliminate universal health care way too easily under those conditions.  So, he lost a couple of points for not referring to a modest payroll contribution to replace overinflated premiums.</p>
<p>I did the scoring on my facebook page, <a href="https://www.facebook.com/laden.greg/posts/10207298612880292">here</a>. Feel free to jump in and complain!</p>
<p>The outcome of the scoring was that Clinton and Sanders got almost the same score, not different enough to matter. O&#8217;Malley got a lower score simply because he talked less, and I did not adjust for that (though I recorded the data in a way that would allow that adjustment).</p>
<p>Meanwhile, what did people think? The only real indicator of the outcome of this debate will be the official scientifically conducted polls that happen over the next few days.  I&#8217;ve not seen any such polls yet.  It takes a few days to do a poll, so a poll dated January 18th or 19th will not necessarily reflect the debate&#8217;s influence.  <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/?s=online+poll+trump">I&#8217;ve argued in the past that online polls are actually useful,</a> contrary to popular presumption, because of the way things work these days on the Internet. Online polls have tracked very closely with scientifically conducted polls for the Republicans.  This may be true as well with the Democrats.  Hard to say.</p>
<p>Online polls show a HUGE surge for Bernie Sanders with this debate, with Sanders garnering results in the 80% range in many polls. This is not a small thing.  This may be in part because Sanders supporters are crazy poll clickers and will go out of their way to create a buzz (there is material evidence for this).  But Clinton supporters should also be clickity clicking, so this effect can account for only a portion of that difference between the candidates.</p>
<p>It may well turn out that this debate is part of the transition <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2016/01/14/the-clinton-sanders-race-in-historical-context/">I documented and described here</a>, which is parallel to a transition that happened in the Clinton-Obama race.</p>
<p>If Sanders did in fact win this debate by such a large margin, then this will have to be reflected in the Iowa Caucus and New Hampshire primary.  Sanders will have to win the Iowa Caucus by a decisive amount (close to 10 points?) and he will have to win New Hampshire by a landslide (he is effective &#8220;favorite son&#8221; there), in order for us to say that he won this debate at the level indicated by online polls.</p>
<p>Then, we are faced with the rest of the primary process. The electability issue will not go away for Sanders unless he beats or matches Clinton in the South, or at least, does fairly well.  If Clinton creams Sanders in South Carolina, that is bad news for Sanders.  Some Sanders supporters have indicated that Sanders won&#8217;t win the South anyway, and that may be true, but if he totally loses every southern state including Florida and Texas in the General, than we may end up President Trump-Cruz, and you can kiss the Supreme Court and doing anything about climate change good buy for many decades.</p>
<p>The fact that Sanders seemed to do well in this particular debate, held by the Congressional Black Caucus, might be important here. Clinton has the advantage with &#8220;minority&#8221; voters, for her family-related policy, her long term links to relevant issues, and the fact that she was married to the first Black president.  Sanders is an old white Jewish guy from an all white state.  African American vs. Jewish American relations are cold, on average.  But Sanders kicked a lot of that to the curb with his social justice stands during this debate, and in general during his campaign.  African Americans traditionally have had important friends in New England liberals, and in Jewish American intellectuals and their famous &#8220;New York Ideals&#8221; (sensu Cruz).  The recent move to disassociate traditional allies by #BlackLivesMatters activists may or may not permeate to southern Democratic Party voters.</p>
<p>Personally, I wish Minnesota was not voting on Super Tuesday along with Georgia, Arkansas, Texas, Tennessee, and Virginia.  I&#8217;d rather have a bit more time with the Fish Finder before I have to cut bait, if you get my drift.</p>
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		<title>Clinton vs. Sanders Polls US Democratic Primary</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2015 14:58:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Clinton vs. Sanders, Likely Voters, Non-Partisan Polls only. Graphic last updated October 15th, shows polls through October 12th only.]]></description>
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		<title>A tale of two polls: Santorum may win Michigan Primary</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2012 16:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Two different polls paint very different pictures for Tuesday&#8217;s primary in Michigan. The PPP Poll released February 26ths puts Romney ahead of Santorum and makes a very solid argument that Romney is ahead and that it will be difficult for Santorum to move enough voters into his camp to take the lead. The Mitchell Research &#8230; <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/02/27/a-tale-of-two-polls-santorum-may-win-michigan-primary/" class="more-link">Continue reading <span class="screen-reader-text">A tale of two polls: Santorum may win Michigan Primary</span> <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two different polls paint very different pictures for Tuesday&#8217;s primary in Michigan.  The PPP Poll released February 26ths puts Romney ahead of Santorum and makes a very solid argument that Romney is ahead and that it will be difficult for Santorum to move enough voters into his camp to take the lead. The Mitchell Research poll, released on February 27th, makes a good argument that although Romney was ahead as of last Thursday, Santorum has in fact moved enough voters into his camp to be numerically ahead of Romney by 2% points in a poll with a 3.34% margin of error.  </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s have a look at the details. <span id="more-5111"></span></p>
<p>PPP makes the point that 16% of Michiganonians have already voted in the primary, and among these, Romney has a 62-29% advantage over Santorum, making Tuesday&#8217;s vote an uphill battle for the latter.  Among those who are likely to vote, according to this poll, Santorum leads Romney 39-34%.  This indicates an upward move for Santorum, but the pollsters claim that it is not enough to put Santorum in the lead.  The PPP poll predicts that Romney will yield 39% and Santorum 37%, and the margin of error for that poll is 4.8%.  </p>
<p>PPP points out that during the days leading up to last weekend, Santorum&#8217;s favorability declined from 44% to 15%, while Santorum&#8217;s negative attacks on Romney has not affected Romney&#8217;s favorability rating very much. </p>
<p>The Mitchell Research poll is more recent.  Apparently, Santorum has made significant inroads with Michigan voters. In Mitchel&#8217;s Thursday evning poll, Romney had reduced Santorum&#8217;s 16% lead among Tea Party voters, but over the weekend, the numbers have shifted to give Santorum a 6% lead in that group.  Romney had reduced Santorum&#8217;s lead among Evangelic ls for 16 to 7%, but over the weekend Santorum&#8217;s lead has improved to 19%.  A similar pattern was seen in other demographic groups.  Polling finished yesterday puts Santorum at 37%, up from 30% last Monday, with Romney at 35%, having registered 32% on Monday and 36% on Thursday.  </p>
<p>During this time, since last Monday, the percentage of undecideds according to the Mitchell Poll has gone from 22% to 10%.  </p>
<p>So, according to the Mitchell Poll, Santorum now leads Romney by 2% in a poll with a margin of error of 3.34%, with 10% undecided, and with a disproportionate member of those undecideds having broken towards Santorum over the last few days, and a general shift towards Santorum and away from Romney in most demographic groups. </p>
<p>While the Mitchell poll is inconclusive and technically shows the contest as a two-candidate horse race, it is not inconceivable that even as we speak Santorum support has gained a couple of percentage points to move beyond statistical uncertainty.  As 12% of undecided voters melted away, Santorum moved ahead 7% while Romney moved ahead 3%.  Assuming a 2:1 ratio, the remaining 10% of undecided voters could give Santorum (conservatively) a 5% or more increase and Romney a 3% increase.  This would predict that the final outcome will be Santorum at 42%, Romney at 38%, with Gingrich and Ron Paul in a virtual tie for third.</p>
<p>I should also mention that while Gingrich&#8217;s support remained steady at 9% in the Mitchell Poll since Monday, Paul&#8217;s numbers jumped form 7 to 12 to 8% during this time.  It is possible that some of Romney&#8217;s loss was from Paul supporters shifting towards Santorum as well.</p>
<p>Going into Tuesday&#8217;s poll, I&#8217;m going to have to predict a Santorum victory in Michigan.  Since Michigan is Romney&#8217;s &#8220;home state&#8221; this will be extra-significant. </p>
<p>This all assumes an equivalence between PPP and Mitchel polling, and accuracy of polling that is reasonable to expect much, but not all, of the time.</p>
<p>The polling data is available via Real Clear Politics (<a href="http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/mi/michigan_republican_presidential_primary-1589.html">download the PDFs there</a>)</p>
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