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		<title>Netzwerkdurchsetzungsgesetz punches the Nazi</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jan 2018 23:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I remember learning a long time ago that in places like Germany, places that had recently been ravaged, nearly totally destroyed, with much death and misery, by Nazis and other fascists, it was illegal to do things like display a swastika. This is the kind of thing that makes many Americans throw a conniption. &#8220;You &#8230; <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/01/03/netzwerkdurchsetzungsgesetz-punches-nazi/" class="more-link">Continue reading <span class="screen-reader-text">Netzwerkdurchsetzungsgesetz punches the Nazi</span> <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember learning a long time ago that in places like Germany, places that had recently been ravaged, nearly totally destroyed, with much death and misery, by Nazis and other fascists, it was illegal to do things like display a swastika.  This is the kind of thing that makes many Americans throw a conniption. <span id="more-28667"></span></p>
<p>&#8220;You are destroying freedom! I would give my life to protect the free speech of a Nazi&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, no, you wouldn&#8217;t.  Don&#8217;t even say that.</p>
<p>And now fascism is starting to rise in America, and make no mistake that the two prongs of fascism are emerging, a fascist would-be dictator and friends, and a two digit percentage of the populous that want it.</p>
<p>Part of the rise of fascism in America comes from social networking. Social networks have become the easy place to advance the rhetoric, confused the opposition, create a movement, nurture the hate, and move a society in this direction.  This is now speculation. It is what is currently happening.</p>
<p>Facebook and Twitter and similar venues are like abandoned homes turned into crack houses.  I used to live across from one. The neighbors, in coordination with the police and city officials, shut it down using a standard procedure used across the US in many cities. Every time something happens at that house, from littering to loud noise to somebody passed out on the lawn, call 911. Don&#8217;t use your own address, only give the address of the house in question. That way the 911 calls all get logged to that address.  There is generally a city ordinance that says that if a house has above a certain number or rate of 911 calls, the city or county can condemn the house. The owner has some options at that point, but since the owner is probably a slum lord properly company in Boca Raton, they won&#8217;t even know about it. So, the city or county takes the house, cleans it out, and either tears it down and sells the property to a developer, or auctions it off so a developer buy it, fix it up, and sell it.</p>
<p>Facebook is an example of a new sort of entity we have in society, but that serves the function of older forms such as homes or public spaces.  If a social network like Facebook gets too many 911 calles (&#8220;911, what&#8217;s your emergency?&#8221; &#8220;A foreign dictator and posse of oligarchs, in coordination with a pretender to the US presidency, is trying to destroy civilization?&#8221; &#8220;OK, please give us the address so we can dispatch a car&#8230;&#8221;) and the owners of that network refuse to do anything about it, perhaps the social network should be taken down.</p>
<p>Think about a mall&#8217;s food court.  Facebook is a little like a food court, in that it is a social venue.  Imagine a food court where someone was killed about twice  a year, someone was raped about once every two weeks, and someone was mugged a few times a day. (Not all the same person!)  The pertinent governmental body would shut that place down.   When my local school district (before our recent move) became a place where the suicide rate among mainly LGBT students was extraordinarily high, the CDC came in to shut the school district down, if nothing was done. Things were done.</p>
<p>Crack houses, food courts, school systems. This is how we do it in our society. But because of their newness, and possibly because of their tremendous hubris, places like Facebook are so far immune from such actions.</p>
<p>Until now.  <a href="http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-42510868">Netzwerkdurchsetzungsgesetz</a> is the law that says that the spread of fascist propaganda shall be illegal,  in Germany, on social media sites. Fines can run up to $60 million dollars.</p>
<p>The government will identify hate speech, inform the network that it must be taken down, then the network has 24 hours to do so.  The hate speech will be spotted by anyone who cares to look, who can then fill out a form of some kind. That starts the process.</p>
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<p>Or, if I&#8217;m wrong about that, if the people can not be protected against this nefarious aspect of social networking sites, then social networking sites have to cease to exist.  We&#8217;ll find some other way to socialize. Go to the food court. Sit on a neighbor&#8217;s front stoep. Maybe even pay attention to the people in your house.  I think they&#8217;re around here somewhere &#8230;.</p>
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		<title>Trump has turned the corner</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2017 14:09:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It wasn&#8217;t much of a corner, he was already pretty much there, but yesterday, Donald J. Trump, pretender to the Presidency of the United States, threw in his lot with the &#8220;good people&#8221; of the fascist, white-supremacist, KKK-loving movement. There is a lot of commentary out there about this. None of it surprises me, I &#8230; <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/08/16/trump-has-turned-the-corner/" class="more-link">Continue reading <span class="screen-reader-text">Trump has turned the corner</span> <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It wasn&#8217;t much of a corner, he was already pretty much there, but yesterday, Donald J. Trump, pretender to the Presidency of the United States, threw in his lot with the &#8220;good people&#8221; of the fascist, white-supremacist, KKK-loving movement.</p>
<p>There is a lot of commentary out there about this. None of it surprises me, I and others have been pointing at this train wreck all along. But there is one new thing I&#8217;ll mention now. Listen to Trump&#8217;s tirade about the protestors. When he speaks of the past notables, including Jefferson and Washington, and the statues, he is plain and articulate, non-hesitant, and clear. He sounds like someone with an IQ.  He even sounds thoughtful.  That is Trump speaking articulately about that which he has often on his mind.</p>
<p>Donald Trump is not a clown who has served as a stooge for Steve Bannon. He is Steve Bannon&#8217;s mentor.  Trump is not the accidental friend of the Klan and the Nazis.  He is, following in his father&#8217;s footsteps, the Klan and the Nazis.</p>
<p>Of all the great segments ever done by Rachel Maddow, the following is one of the best; Watch every second of it, and you learn things and you will be afraid:</p>
<p><iframe src='https://player.theplatform.com/p/7wvmTC/MSNBCEmbeddedOffSite?guid=n_maddow_aklan_170815' height='500' width='635' scrolling='no' border='no' ></iframe></p>
<p>May I also recommend this also historical piece from a day earlier:</p>
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<p>You can tell when Rachel Maddow is about to land a roundhouse punch, when she&#8217;s about to put the ball a few blocks down the street from the park, when she starts a segment with something like &#8220;Back in 1924.&#8221;  She appreciates, almost exclusively among commenters and anchors, the importance of the historic context on one hand and the granularity and nuance on the other.  Almost wants to make me pay for cable, that&#8217;s how good she is.</p>
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		<title>Hitler&#8217;s Willing (Christian) Executioners</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Sep 2010 00:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hitler&#8217;s Willing Executioners: Ordinary Germans and the Holocaust is a book well worth reading. I&#8217;ve read it and I think highly of the book. I don&#8217; t have time to write a review right now, but here&#8217;s the PW writeup: Goldhagen&#8217;s gripping and shocking landmark study transforms our understanding of the Holocaust. Refuting the widespread &#8230; <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/09/17/hitlers-willing-christian-exec/" class="more-link">Continue reading <span class="screen-reader-text">Hitler&#8217;s Willing (Christian) Executioners</span> <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0679772685?ie=UTF8&#038;tag=wwwgregladenc-20&#038;linkCode=as2&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=9325&#038;creativeASIN=0679772685">Hitler&#8217;s Willing Executioners: Ordinary Germans and the Holocaust</a><img decoding="async" src="https://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=wwwgregladenc-20&#038;l=as2&#038;o=1&#038;a=0679772685" width="1" height="1" border="0" alt="" style="border:none !important; margin:0px !important;" /> is a book well worth reading. I&#8217;ve read it and I think highly of the book.<br />
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<p>I don&#8217; t have time to write a review right now, but here&#8217;s the PW writeup:<br />
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<blockquote><p>Goldhagen&#8217;s gripping and shocking landmark study transforms our understanding of the Holocaust. Refuting the widespread notion that those who carried out the genocide of Jews were primarily SS men or Nazi party members, he demonstrates that the perpetrators?those who staffed and oversaw the concentration camps, slave labor camps, genocidal army units, police battalions, ghettos, death marches?were, for the most part, ordinary German men and women: merchants, civil servants, academics, farmers, students, managers, skilled and unskilled workers. Rejecting the conventional view that the killers were slavishly carrying out orders under coercion, Goldhagen, assistant professor of government at Harvard, uses hitherto untapped primary sources, including the testimonies of the perpetrators themselves, to show that they killed Jews willingly, approvingly, even zealously. Hitler&#8217;s genocidal program of a &#8220;Final Solution&#8221; found ready accomplices in these ordinary Germans who, as Goldhagen persuasively argues, had absorbed a virulent, &#8220;eliminationist&#8221; anti-Semitism, prevalent as far back as the 18th century, which demonized the Jews and called for their expulsion or physical annihilation. Furthermore, his research reveals that a large proportion of the killers were told by their commanders that they could disobey orders to kill, without fear of retribution?yet they slaughtered Jews anyway. By his careful estimate, hundreds of thousands of Germans were directly involved in the mass murder, and millions more knew of the ongoing genocide. Among the 30 photographs are snapshots taken by the murderers of themselves and their victims. </p></blockquote>
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