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		<title>Music and expertise among hunter gatherers: Distant Echos with Yo Yo Ma</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2021 14:55:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Distant Echoes is a very special documentary. I remember well when first came out. I briefly met Yo You Ma at the time, because he came to my Anthropology department for the first showing. The documentary was shown around for a brief time, then disappeared from the world (except for those of us who had &#8230; <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2021/04/29/music-and-expertise-among-hunter-gatherers-distant-echos-with-yo-yo-ma/" class="more-link">Continue reading <span class="screen-reader-text">Music and expertise among hunter gatherers: Distant Echos with Yo Yo Ma</span> <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Distant Echoes is a very special documentary. I remember well when first came out. I briefly met Yo You Ma at the time, because he came to my Anthropology department for the first showing.  The documentary was shown around for a brief time, then disappeared from the world (except for those of us who had pilfered copies to show in our classes).  I just discovered it is now available, so I&#8217;m telling you about it.</p>
<p>I want to make this point, which is touched on here. Hunter gatherers, such as the Ju/&#8217;howansi in this film, typically have experts among their society, on various things. Medical/magico, various crafts (I knew an Efe knot tier everyone revered), making various tools or pottery, and music. As far as I know all hunter gatherer societies do a fair amount of music, and typically everyone participates. Music (singing and some instruments, always dancing) is practiced by everyone, but variation in talent exists, and it is (obviously) known of.</p>
<p>You hear Irv DeVore mentioned in the documentary. He was my advisor, and I was his last PhD student.</p>
<p>Yes, that is Richard Lee, and he and DeVore are the editors of the famous &#8220;<a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2006/12/27/man-the-hunter/">Man the Hunter</a>&#8221; volume.</p>
<p>By the way, you can&#8217;t figure out what the heck hunter gatherers are doing by watching.  Or, often, asking.  You have to immerse, learn, and do.  That fact is not unique to foragers, it is true of all things that are hard to do universally. But for some reason people are surprised to find that this is true with foragers, and in this manner, a lot of bad anthropology has been done.</p>
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		<title>Falsehood:  &#8220;If this was the Stone Age, I&#8217;d be dead by now&#8221;</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2017 19:35:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It is generally thought that life expectancy in the past was less that it is today for our species as a whole and in the case of industrialized countries in particular. However, this belief counts as a falsehood not because it is untrue (it is, in fact, true) but because many people get this idea &#8230; <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/10/20/falsehood-stone-age-id-dead-now/" class="more-link">Continue reading <span class="screen-reader-text">Falsehood:  &#8220;If this was the Stone Age, I&#8217;d be dead by now&#8221;</span> <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is generally thought that life expectancy in the past was less that it is today for our species as a whole and in the case of industrialized countries in particular.  However, this belief counts as a falsehood not because it is untrue (it is, in fact, true) but because many people get this idea wrong in a few different ways.  People often:</p>
<p>1) confuse life expectancy with lifespan;</p>
<p>2) underestimate the life expectancy of many past populations; and</p>
<p>3) think of the past compared to the present as a dichotomy, the present being one way, the past being the other way, failing to recognize diversity and variation in life history variables across our species and across time &#8230; life expectancy is seen as a measure of quality of life (which it may well be) that has tracked the one way progress of the human condition from a widespread past condition of short-lived misery to the present and much improved condition of living long and prospering.<br />
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<p>As is the case with other bio-cultural variables such as stature, we often see the past as a particular (and often fairly immediate) past, which actually represents perhaps a few centuries at most and a few percent of the landscape across which our ancestors lived.  And, in some of the most commonly conceived of &#8216;pasts&#8217; &#8230; the English Middle Ages, Urban factory towns in the 19th century, some cave in France, etc. &#8230; it may well be true that short people experienced a life nasty brutish and short-lived.  But in the meantime, in Australia, or South Africa, or the Amazon, or Mongolia, or Nebraska, or Kiribati, one thousand years ago or ten thousand years ago, entirely different things were happening.</p>
<p>Life expectancy is usually phrased as death expectancy, because it is often thought of as the average age of death of individuals of a certain age, estimated for a particular population and using empirical data.  Technically, it is actually the number of years of life you have left, expressed as an estimated average for the individuals in your cohort and context.  There are two commonly used frameworks for life expectancy: At birth and some later age, often 12 years old.  In many populations, death is so common among infants and very young children that life expectancy from birth is a poor representative of what is really being considered, so life expectancy from a later (non-zero) age is more meaningful.</p>
<p>Life span is how long you live.  Life expectancy and life span really are, in an informal sense, the same thing (or at least are often treated that way), but life span is usually conceived of by the human on the street as how old the old people are, or how long an individual person (or thing) potentially lives, as opposed to an average. In fact, sometimes life span is thought of as a maximum (the human life span is something like 120 years, because that&#8217;s about how long the oldest person ever lived).  If you think of life span in any of these ways, then it is very different from life expectancy.  Say the life expectancy (from birth or some older age) is 40 years.  If you went to a place like this you might find plenty of old people over 70 or so, because 40 is the average age of death, not the actual age of death.</p>
<p>The statement &#8220;I&#8217;m 40 years old.  If this was the Paleolithic I&#8217;d be dead by now&#8221; belies the confusion between lifespan and life expectancy, but it also, along with other statements of fact about &#8220;The Paleolithic&#8221; demonstrates widespread misconceptions about the past.  (Another clue here is the use of the word &#8220;the&#8221; &#8230; the definite article signifying a lack of variation or diversity in that to which it refers &#8230; <em>the</em> &#8220;Paleolithic.&#8221;)</p>
<p>Consider the following estimates of female life expectancy in the US from Age 10:</p>
<p>1850: 47.2<br />
1920: 55.17<br />
1990: 70.1<br />
2004: 71.3</p>
<p>These data (<a href="http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0005140.html">source</a>)indicate a dramatic change over time, and might be used as the basis for a statement like &#8220;If this was antebellum US, and I was 50, I&#8217;d be dead by now.&#8221;  Also, we see what might be a steady increase in life expectancy from the &#8220;old days&#8221; (1850) to modern times, with not a lot of change after that.  Perhaps the Paleolithic ened around 1940 or so.</p>
<p>One reasonable estimate for life expectancy during the &#8220;Paleolithic&#8221; might be derived from estimating life expectancy for modern day foragers. It would be more convincing if life expectancy estimates did not vary a lot among modern foragers living in a diversity of environments (suggesting that the estimate is robust).  This is in fact the case.  Life expectancy of forager females at age of 15 in four different groups living in the New World and Old World, and arid vs rain forest conditions, range from about 52 to 58 years<sup>1</sup>.  So now we see that the &#8220;Past&#8221; (1850) for US females was perhaps more brutal than the &#8220;Past&#8221; for our species in general, the former having a much shorter life expectancy prior to the Civil War.  (I know:  I&#8217;m comparing 15 years to 10 years of age, but if we switched from 10 to 20 for the US data the situation would become much more gruesome, and I don&#8217;t have data for age 15.)</p>
<p>Human forager females, according to the same data, tend to experience their last reproductive event between 37 and 42 years of age, leaving several years, on average, between having the last child and being unable to care for that child because of one&#8217;s own death.  Early anthropologists assumed that this made sense because one would want to stop reproducing in time to increase the likelihood of being able to care for offspring for a few years, but in more recent years, evolutionary biologists pointed out that mammals in general don&#8217;t do this&#8230; they just keep reproducing up until they die, which makes more sense, because it is impossible to say that a certain offspring or litter will be left motherless.  So why not give it a try.</p>
<p>Menopause is a biological phenomenon in which women literally shut down their reproductive functioning.  The idea that female mammals should keep reproduction up until a death uncertain in its timing may make a lot of sense, but if so, menopause makes no sense. Menopause is not a common phenomenon among mammals:  Only a few species have been shown to have a post-reproductive life stage in females.  The total number of species in which it has been observed is probably fewer than a dozen. The total number of species in which it has been observed in the wild, and can&#8217;t be explained as a function of captivity, is probably two or three (humans included).</p>
<p>The average age of menopause is about 42-58 years of age.  If among foragers the average age of death is about 55, and the average age of last reproduction is about 40, and the average age of menopause is between these to dates, than it is possible that menopause is actually an evolved loss of reproductive function.  This has been proposed and explained as older females shifting their efforts from reproduction to foraging on behalf of their offspring (and their offspring&#8217;s offspring)<sup>1</sup> and in particular, foraging for plant underground storage organs, which are believed to be fallback foods very important in human evolutionary history<sup>2</sup></p>
<p>What does all this have to do with falsehoods and lifespans?  This:  If menopause really is an adaptation facilitating the use of plant underground storage organs by humans, and it happens late in the life of human females, say around the age of forty-something, then this means that there is an entire life-history stage (infancy, childhood, adolescence, young adulthood, middle age, MENOPAUSE, death) that happens AFTER you falsely assume you would be dead had you lived in the &#8220;Palaeolithic.&#8221;  The Palaeolithic &#8230; when this adaptation emerged.  So now you know why I cringe when I hear people say that.</p>
<p>So, yeah, sure, life expectancy has gone up, both because the babies don&#8217;t die as much and because we have amazing pharmaceuticals and other medical things to reduce death rates all along a person&#8217;s life history and to extend death of the elderly well beyond what would happen either in a Paleolithic setting where everyone would have been eaten by a sabertooth cat on their 40th birthday or a post-Palaeolithic setting where everyone would die of hardening of the arteries much later in life.  But much of that modern medical-caused variation in life expectancy is post-menopause onset.</p>
<p>Then there is the issue of variation in the past (and present).  Simply put, it is not the case that there was <strong>A</strong> Palaeolithic and <strong>A</strong> Now.  There was a lot of variation in the past, and there is a lot of variation in the present.  Many things thought of as having trends in one direction did not. For instance, in many areas, when agriculture was introduced the overall health of the population with this new technology and diet seems to have gone down.  Life expectancy probably went down, rate of infections disease may have gone up, various diet-related problems like anemia may have become common, and periods of starvation that often accompany lack of food diversity linked to seasonally rigid high-labor agricultural efforts may have occurred.  In some areas where this has been archaeologically documented, things later improved, presumably as a combination of both genetic and cultural adaptations to a new kind of food stress.</p>
<p>The reason this is important is that simplifications of the past (or for that matter, the present) is often associated with a false belief in certain causalities. We live in a &#8220;modern&#8221; world with certain features, including agriculture, industrial production of goods, lots of time spent on education, and Smart Phones.  We have a longer life expectancy.  Therefore, Smart Phones, our industrialized world, agriculture, etc. gave us our longer life spans.  It&#8217;s all good.</p>
<p>The problem is that it isn&#8217;t all so simple and it isn&#8217;t all so good.  Adding agriculture caused disease and death and suffering and other bad stuff.  More recently, adding industry does the same thing but worse.  Of course, you realize that your Smart Phone and your running shoes and your other cool stuff probably do not affect your life expectancy much, but you must also know that it does affect other people&#8217;s life expectancy, and usually negatively. Those people working in the sweat shops in China and Indonesia making your stuff don&#8217;t just get underpaid for their hard work.  They die younger. The US based women with the lowish life expectancy mentioned above included women working very hard on farms and cranking out unusually large number of babies (and that will kill you) and women working in industrial sweatshops (that can kill you too).  The Industrial revolution in the US was not an improvement, overall, for anybody or anything except those who got rich off it.</p>
<p>Humans do not live on a one-way street with two addresses: &#8220;Then&#8221; (not so good) and &#8220;Now&#8221; (improved in all ways) and life expectancy is not a variable that maps our movement from a nasty brutish and short-lived past to an all round better present with no stops or turns along the way.  The big recent increase in life expectancy notwithstanding, various different populations of humans have experienced numerous shifts in health and well being, some tracked by expected age of death for various cohorts.</p>
<p><sup>1</sup>Kaplan, H, K. Hill, J. Lancaster, A. M. Hurtado. 2000. A theory of human life history evolution: Diet, intelligence, and longevity.  Evolutionary Anthropology 9:156-185, 2000.</p>
<p><sup>2</sup>Laden, G. and R. Wrangham. The rise of hominids as an adaptive shift in fallback foods.  Journal of Human Evolution. (<a href="http://gregladen.com/wordpress/wp-content/pdf/Laden_Wrangham_Roots.pdf">pdf</a></p>
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		<title>Affluence Without Abundance</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jul 2017 16:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My father in law is an excellent amateur mixologist. I don&#8217;t drink alcohol very often, but we&#8217;re all up at the cabins, so last night I had a paper plane. And I believe this is what led to a night of strange and extensive dreams, and in my dreams was my recently deceased PhD adviser, &#8230; <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/07/03/affluence-without-abundance/" class="more-link">Continue reading <span class="screen-reader-text">Affluence Without Abundance</span> <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My father in law is an excellent amateur mixologist.  I don&#8217;t drink alcohol very often, but we&#8217;re all up at the cabins, so last night I had a paper plane. And I believe this is what led to a night of strange and extensive dreams, and in my dreams was my recently deceased PhD adviser, Irv DeVore. (Irv was not dead in the dream.) DeVore is famous for having initiated, with Richard Lee, the first scientific study of extant living foragers, and they worked with the Ju/&#8217;Honasi of Botswana/Namibia/South Africa.</p>
<p>So, it was strange to have the lingering dream on my mind as I opened the latest Science magazine to see a review, by Alan Barnard, of a recent and interesting book on those people: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1632865726/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=9325&#038;creativeASIN=1632865726&#038;linkCode=as2&#038;tag=grlasbl0a-20&#038;linkId=5450d853d8b299e3638c8219f85e9443">Affluence Without Abundance: The Disappearing World of the Bushmen</a><img decoding="async" src="//ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com/e/ir?t=grlasbl0a-20&#038;l=am2&#038;o=1&#038;a=1632865726" width="1" height="1" border="0" alt="" style="border:none !important; margin:0px !important;" />.</p>
<blockquote><p>A vibrant portrait of the “original affluent society”&#8211;the Bushmen of southern Africa&#8211;by the anthropologist who has spent much of the last twenty-five years documenting their encounter with modernity.</p>
<p>If the success of a civilization is measured by its endurance over time, then the Bushmen of the Kalahari are by far the most successful in human history. A hunting and gathering people who made a good living by working only as much as needed to exist in harmony with their hostile desert environment, the Bushmen have lived in southern Africa since the evolution of our species nearly two hundred thousand years ago.</p>
<p>In Affluence Without Abundance, anthropologist James Suzman vividly brings to life a proud and private people, introducing unforgettable members of their tribe, and telling the story of the collision between the modern global economy and the oldest hunting and gathering society on earth. In rendering an intimate picture of a people coping with radical change, it asks profound questions about how we now think about matters such as work, wealth, equality, contentment, and even time. Not since Elizabeth Marshall Thomas&#8217;s The Harmless People in 1959 has anyone provided a more intimate or insightful account of the Bushmen or of what we might learn about ourselves from our shared history as hunter-gatherers.</p></blockquote>
<p>Barnard says:</p>
<blockquote><p>The book is full of illuminating observations from the Bushmen themselves. In one passage, for example, Suzman relates an encounter with ?Oma, one of the resettlement community&#8217;s most established residents, who once served as a foreman when Skoonheid was still a working farm: “If you are foreman,” ?Oma tells Suzman, “then you are the eyes and the ears of the baas [boss] on the farm. You are the chief of the workers and are in charge when the baas is away.” Despite better pay and greater social standing among the white farm owners, ?Oma never entirely succeeded in securing the respect and deference he demanded from his fellow Ju/&#8217;hoansi. Today&#8217;s Bushmen are part of two worlds, one guided by the group&#8217;s traditional commitment to egalitarianism and the other based on subjugation.</p>
<p>In general, anthropological commentary is kept to a minimum, but Suzman&#8217;s descriptions are full of insight. “To them everything in the world is natural and everything cultural in the human world is also cultural in the animal world, and ‘wild’ space is also domestic space,” he writes, for example, in chapter 7. “So while Ju/&#8217;hoansi consider the litter to be an irritation, few see it as pollution—at least in the way the tourists do.”</p>
<p>Suzman&#8217;s frequent reflexivity (e.g., “I never hunted with /I!ae. I was too clumsy, loud, and slow.”) makes the book far more interesting than typical accounts full of statistical detail, academic references, and the like. The book offers few references, and details are limited to those that make for good reading. There are, however, several useful (albeit simple) maps of the areas described and a brief explanation of how to pronounce clicks.</p></blockquote>
<p>The review is <a href="http://science.sciencemag.org/content/356/6345/1340.full">here</a>, but I&#8217;m not sure if you can see it without a subscription.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 20:24:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Whinging About Skepchick A critique of a talk by Rebecca Watson is very likely heavily influenced by the critiquer’s membership in one group or another as defined by The Great Sorting. This not because Rebecca is a polarizing person. It is because she has been outspoken on issues that tend to polarize people, like feminism. &#8230; <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/12/06/critique-of-rebecca-watsons-talk-haters-gonna-hate/" class="more-link">Continue reading <span class="screen-reader-text">Critique of Rebecca Watson&#039;s Talk: Haters gonna hate.</span> <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
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<p>A critique of <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2012/12/03/how-girls-evolved-to-shop/">a talk by Rebecca Watson</a> is very likely heavily influenced by the critiquer’s membership in one group or another as defined by The Great Sorting. This not because Rebecca is a polarizing person. It is because she has been outspoken on issues that tend to polarize people, like feminism. This polarization is enhanced by the fact that a break-off group of skeptics have chosen to join <a href="http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2012/12/06/never-forget/">the haters</a> rather than the thinkers and doers. Also, she leads <a href="http://skepchick.org/">a group of women</a> who have tried to open up the Skeptical Community to having more female participants and to more frequently address women&#8217;s issues, and this has led to significant push back. As you listen to <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2012/12/03/how-girls-evolved-to-shop/">Rebecca&#8217;s recent talk on Evolutionary Psychology</a> or read critiques of it, especially those that specifically call her talk &#8220;science denialism&#8221; or &#8220;creationism&#8221; or some other absurd thing, keep that in mind. </p>
<p><span id="more-14772"></span> (Because <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/denialism/2012/12/05/rebecca-watsons-skepticon-talk-is-not-an-example-of-science-denialism/">it isn&#8217;t science denialism</a>.)</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been asked by numerous people to read a blog post called <a href="http://skepticink.com/incredulous/2012/12/01/science-denialism-at-a-skeptic-conference/">Science denialism at a skeptic conference</a> addressing Rebecca&#8217;s talk, written by some guy named &#8220;Clint,&#8221; but when I notice the blog network it is on, one created specifically to support the opposition to Atheism+, &#8220;Free Thought Bullies,&#8221; and Skepchicks, I find it hard to convince myself to spend the time on it. When I read the title of the post, which makes use of the inappropriate and absurd hyperbole just mentioned, I find it hard to convince myself to spend time on it. There may well be useful ideas in that post, perhaps it is even brilliant, and I&#8217;m not saying I&#8217;ll never read it. But I&#8217;m very busy and the chance of that post being informative or useful, and not overly annoying, is very slim. In other words, Clique Membership is more important, in many instances, than any honest attempt to engage in a conversation, for most of the people who respond publicly to anything Rebecca Watson says. For now I&#8217;m guessing that Clint is a Cliqueist.</p>
<p>This post-<a href="http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck/2011/12/28/why-is-rebecca-watson-so-damned-polarizing/">Great Sorting</a> bias is evident in <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2012/12/03/how-girls-evolved-to-shop/#comment-100346">a recent comment</a> by blog reader &#8220;bks&#8221; on my earlier post pointing to Rebecca&#8217;s talk. “bks” refers to Clint’s post and says “Now I’m really glad I didn’t waste 48 minutes..” Perhaps Clint was very convincing, but given the qualities I see in Rebecca’s talk, I don’t se how he could have been both convincing (of the talk not being worth listening to) and honest or thorough at the same time. Here are the facts surrounding the comment:</p>
<p>1) I am a behavioral biologist with expertise in the area of Rebecca&#8217;s talk, and I said I liked the talk although it had some flaws.</p>
<p>2) Clint is (probably) a politically motivated Rebecca Watson Hater, though he might also be a student of psychology or something, and he claims, apparently, that Rebecca&#8217;s talk is totally wrong (correct me if he&#8217;s saying her talk is good, but that is what I understand to be the case).</p>
<p>3) On the strength of those two assertions, &#8220;bks&#8221; decided to not bother listening to Rebecca&#8217;s talk because it must be bad, rather than judging it only after reading it.</p>
<p>That is a great example of the sorted sorting sordidly. &#8220;bks&#8221; could certainly have done what I&#8217;ve done &#8230; decided to not read it for some indirect heuristic reason. But that does not seem to be what he&#8217;s done. He seems to have judged it without seeing it.</p>
<h3 id="hereswhatilikeaboutrebeccawatsonstalk">Here&#8217;s what I like about Rebecca Watson&#8217;s talk</h3>
<p>Much science is misrepresented or mistranslated as it reaches the public arena. For instance, say some cellular biologist unravels a small but important detail of the S Phase of cell division in eukaryotes. She writes a peer reviewed paper on it. During the process of developing the press report of that paper at her institution, some public relations expert pries the word &#8220;cancer&#8221; out of a lab assistant who is nineteenth author on the paper. Yes, yes, technically cell division is related to cancer, so the more we know about cell division the better, probably. So, now the press report says &#8220;New Finding at MRU may lead to cancer cure.&#8221; You know the drill.</p>
<p>Skeptics, including the special variety of Skeptic known as Skepchick, founded by Rebecca Watson, sometimes tackle this kind of misrepresentation or other misunderstandings of science. Many skeptics do not do so from the point of view of trained scientists. Even the trained scientists write about things that are not their own field of expertise. But skeptics, including Rebecca, generally have special insight (from skeptical philosophy and experience) which allows us to write useful essays, or give useful talks, that critique either woo and bullshit (homeopathy, Bigfoot, etc.) or the misrepresentation of science (Mono Lake aliens, some paper being misrepresented in the press as leading to a cure for cancer, etc.) There is a risk, though, of getting some if it wrong or contradicting oneself or making another error. For such a sin, we should not be carrying out summary executions. If we are sincere about our goals, <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2012/12/04/our-conversations-should-be-like-a-cold-fruit-salad-on-a-dusty-hot-summer-day/">we should be doing something different</a>.</p>
<p>Evolutionary psychology is a bit different from other areas of science. In some ways, <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2012/12/10/evolutionary-psychology-careful-some-practitioners-may-be-carrying-a-kitchen-knife/">I consider myself an evolutionary psychologist</a>, in that I am totally on board with the idea of identifying evolution based descriptions and explanations for features of human psychology. Some of my best friends are evolutionary psychologists. In fact, I&#8217;m pretty sure there is one using my bathroom right now, as I write this.</p>
<p>But there is a lot of what I consider inadequate science and bad reasoning being done within this field. There are two key features that I have critiqued: 1) The assumption, without evidence, that higher level psychological functioning in the cerebrum operates as behavior specific and distinct modules that are shaped by Natural Selection to do specific things &#8230; which develop to a significant level of specificity primarily by genetic programming; and 2) That the modern human is essentially a <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2012/08/05/is-it-appropriate-to-use-the-term-pygmy-when-speaking-of-pygmies/">Ju/&#8217;hoansi</a> person in a technologically and culturally different world, and that the Ju/&#8217;hoansi person represents a single physical and behavioral phenotype of human shaped by 2 million years of the same kind of selection operating on a single human ancestral population, and that this Pleistocene environment of evolutionary adaptiveness resembles the Serengeti.</p>
<p>So, when an evolutionary psychology paper gets out into the public arena, it may well be misrepresented by the media. If you work your way backwards from a misrepresented paper to the source in cell biology, physiology, endocrinology, and many other fields you&#8217;ll generally find good research when you get to the original published work, but, when you work your way backwards from the Major Media representation of evolutionary psychology, you often find that the paper itself is highly problematic. This is probably true for other areas of psychology as well (and sociology) for a variety of reasons.</p>
<p>Rebecca pointed this problem out in her talk and gave several examples, and, essentially, informed her audience that when they see certain things in the public press reports about human sexuality, sex differences, and related topics, the basic research in those areas may itself be highly suspect.</p>
<p>She is correct.</p>
<h3 id="hereswhatididnotlikeaboutrebeccawatsonstalk.">Here&#8217;s what I did not like about Rebecca Watson&#8217;s talk.</h3>
<p>We know more about early hominid behavior than Rebecca indicated, but not at the scale needed for many of the assertions made in evolutionary psychology. So she’s right but I would say it differently. My critique is not that we don&#8217;t know about the Pleistocene, it is that there is a lot more to know than &#8220;it looks like the Serengeti&#8221; which would also imply that the amount of information we still seek much greater than often assumed by evolutionary psychology researchers.</p>
<p>Rebecca claimed that the idea that men hunt and women gather is highly questionable and cited a number of examples that contradict this. She&#8217;s got that mostly wrong; those examples don&#8217;t contradict the fact that the vast majority of mammal (and reptile) meat that ends up in forager meals is from male hunting. Having said that, &#8220;men hunt animals&#8221; and &#8220;women gather plants&#8221; is an oversimplification. In various societies men gather quite a bit, and often, much of the men&#8217;s diet is foraged plant food they eat while hunting. In some societies women do most of the fishing (but not in all cases). And, there are a few cases where women engage in mammal hunting, but that is rare and exceptional and the nature of that engagement often underscores rather than obviates the commonly asserted sex difference in foraging behavior, for reasons beyond what I can cover here.</p>
<p>Almost everything you ever hear about foragers, by the way, is an oversimplification, and I’m afraid that most people who talk about foragers, especially Evolutionary Psychologists, are happy to keep them simple despite <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2010/05/23/primitive-cultures-are-simple-3/">the fact that they are not</a>.</p>
<h2 id="whatnext">What next?</h2>
<p>But otherwise Rebecca Watson&#8217;s talk was an informative and entertaining approach to bringing a valid critique of evolutionary psychology to a public audience, with humor and in fun and in all the other ways Rebecca is so good at. The <a href="http://slymepit.com/phpbb/search.php?keywords=rebecca+watson&amp;sid=a7b3e1edd4b60caa870716357ddea9f0">Guild of Haters</a>, however, care less about advancing skepticism than about plying their trade in snark and drek, so of course, they will not claim to see any of that. It would ruin their fun.</p>
<p>I would like to work with Rebecca on some of the details of this talk. It would not take much to fix up some errors that I see as important, but tangential to her main point. Maybe we&#8217;ll go up to the cabin next July and spend a couple of days on it. There may be hunting and gathering opportunities.</p>
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<p>Update: Now I don&#8217;t have to read Clint because Mark did. <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/denialism/2012/12/05/rebecca-watsons-skepticon-talk-is-not-an-example-of-science-denialism/">Thanks Mark</a>.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is yet another in a series of posts on falsehoods. To refresh your memory, a falsehood is a belief held by a number of people that is in some way incorrect. That incorrectness may be blatant, it may be subtle, it may be conditional, it may be simple, it may be complex. But, the &#8230; <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/09/21/primitive-cultures-are-simple/" class="more-link">Continue reading <span class="screen-reader-text">Primitive Cultures are Simple, Civilization is Complex (A falsehood) I</span> <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is yet another in a series of posts on falsehoods.  To refresh your memory, a falsehood is a belief held by a number of people that is in some way incorrect.  That incorrectness may be blatant, it may be subtle, it may be conditional, it may be simple, it may be complex.  But, the unraveling of the falshoodosity of the belief is a learning experience, if it is accomplished in a thoughtful manner and without too much sophistry.  In order for a falsehood to &#8220;work&#8221; as a learning opportunity it is important to define the statement in terms of the thoughts the falsehood invokes in the target audience, which may be very different than the logic intrinsic to the statement itself.  For instance, with the present falsehood, I will argue that civilizations actually are complex and primitive cultures actually are simple, when looked at in a certain way. However, most people look at this issue a different way, and get it wrong.  Yes, I will be deconstructing some of your cherished beliefs if you are a run of the mill Caucasoido-occidentalonormative middle class suburbanite.  Which I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;re not, but if you were&#8230;<br />
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Many people think of cultural evolution, or historical change, over the last several thousand years as being a shift from a hunting and gathering way of life, through various stages of development of agricultural or pastoral systems (growing plants and animals), through development of cities, irrigation systems, state societies, etc.  Somewhere along the line what humans are doing could be described as &#8220;civiliation&#8221; and most people think of this transition as in increase in complexity.  Some definitions of &#8220;civilization&#8221; that you would learn if you took a course in &#8220;the rise of civilization&#8221; include &#8220;increasing complexity&#8221; as one of the criteria for this economic, social, and cultural change.</p>
<p>Along with this belief comes another important concept:  That the people who live in these developing civilizations needed to be able to deal with all this increasing complexity. People needed to be smarter, perhaps more adaptable, more long-range thinking, and so on.  And along with that belief often comes the very personal belief than an individual who is part of one of these civilizations today might have:  &#8220;I am a civilized person.  Therefore I face challenges that my primitive hunter gatherer fore-bearers did not face. I live in a more complex world than has ever existed before.  Indeed, I <em>am</em> this complex world.  <em>I. Am. Complex</em>.&#8221;</p>
<p>Admit it.  You were thinking that just now, weren&#8217;t you?</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to offer a way of thinking about the difference between what we call &#8220;civilization&#8221; and what some people call &#8220;primitive cultures&#8221; that will be more useful and less falsehood-prone than the above simplified model.  But first, I want to problemetize the word &#8220;primitive.&#8221;  The word has connotations that are almost always associated with negative things.  If you were to be compared to another person, in terms of your taste in clothing, your mental capacity, your talents and skills, your understanding of the world around you, your ideas, and so on, you would feel bad if in each of those comparisons those doing the comparison decided that you were primitive relative to the other person.  From this I&#8217;m sure you get the idea, and I don&#8217;t think I really need to explain in great detail why primitive is negative.</p>
<p>Two of the most important areas where primitiveness is often assumed are morality/ethics and intelligence.  If we go along with the hunter-gatherer vs civilization = primitive vs. not primitive concept, then  it falls apart immediately.  We don&#8217;t have IQ data on hunter-gatherers, but we do have some brain size data.  Absolute and relative brain size is larger for hunter gatherer populations, both living and prehistorically.  With respect to the moral/ethical side of things, that&#8217;s hard to judge because of cultural differences, poor sample size, and a complete absence of a comparative methodology that is not either trite or bankrupt.  (Missionaries will tell you that the primitive people are morally inferior.  Missionaries suck.)  All I can tell you is that Stalin was not a hunter gatherer.  Hitler was not a hunter gatherer.  Kirk Cameron is not a hunter gatherer.  And so on.  None of the great moral or ethical transgressions that have been written down in the history books have anything to do with hunter gatherers.  Assuming that they are morally inferior is just made up.  At worst, there is no evidence pertaining to the question.</p>
<p>So let&#8217;s dispense with the term &#8220;primitive&#8221; society vs. civilization and switch to saying HGs (for hunter-gatherers) vs Western.  Why not &#8220;civilized&#8221;?  I&#8217;m sorry you asked that.  You don&#8217;t really think you&#8217;re &#8220;civilized&#8221; just because you say you are, do you?  Abu grave anybody?  Fraternities?  Astroturfers?  Civilized?  I don&#8217;t think so.  Just &#8220;Western&#8221; will do for now although it may  not be the best term, and in this sense we mean people who have lived over the last centuries in cities, states, industrially and technologically high energy consumption and industrially based cultures and economies, with the comparative sample we will use for this discussion being you and me, people who live in &#8220;the west&#8221; or something like it, have electricity, grocery stores, etc. etc.</p>
<p>So HG vs. Western.</p>
<p>The way I suggest we should best think about this comparison can be illustrated by using the simple case study of how one might go about getting a meal on the table.  What do you, a Western person, need to do to have dinner and what does that entail, vs. what does a HG have to do.</p>
<p>At first gloss, this is where the &#8220;primitive people are simple but civilized people are complex&#8221; thing completely disintegrates.  To get a meal on a table, a meal that has a piece of meat, a starch, and a vegetable or fruit, here&#8217;s what you have to do:</p>
<p>Step one:  Open the refrigerator or freezer and take out a prepared meal in a box.</p>
<p>Step two: Put the meal in the microwave and set the timer and press start.</p>
<p>Step three:  (Careful not to burn yourself!) take out the meal and put it on the table.</p>
<p>For a HG to get the same meal, the following has to happen:</p>
<p>Step one:  The camp (that is the usual word we use for residential groupings of most foragers) divides up over the course of the day with different groups of people, or individuals, seeking out different types of food.  The product of these efforts will later be shared.</p>
<p>Some of the men hang out for an hour or two fashioning pieces of equipment that they will need in their toolkit.  Eventually they do some magic and get up and go hunting, with spears, bows and arrows, knives, traps, and other implements that they have manufactured and maintained themselves with materials they have gathered, some quite rare some more common.  They will use these tools in a manner that only a lifetime of experience and training will allow.  Some of the men are well known for specific techniques they&#8217;ve developed or advanced, some are known for being especially skilled at a particular aspect of hunting.  They also have one or more properly trained dogs with them.  Most likely the dogs were trained by a specialist in dog training.</p>
<p>They do some hunting magic.</p>
<p>Hunting can be done in a lot of ways, in groups or singly, but I wont&#8217; go into that now.  Suffice it to day that you need to know a lot of different steps and you need to be quite skilled to carry them out.  So let&#8217;s say that step one is actually steps one through ten, which is probably an underestimate.</p>
<p>Step eleven:  Some of the women do some magic and then go, with their children, to a clearing where they know there will probably be roots.  They find the small, almost impossible to see vines of various plants coming from the ground and trailing up into the canopy overhead.  Some of these vines lead to a root that is used for fish poison, and  if you even touch the root you may get sick, so when you are foraging for food, you don&#8217;t want to accidentally dig it up.  Other vines indicate roots that are not ready to dig up yet.  The women consult with each other, and the older women instruct the younger women on some of the nuances, and they decide which plants to dig.  They sharpen their digging sticks using a knife that they had sharpened earlier that day (the day before, one of them replaced the handle on the same knife) and dig up the roots.  They package the roots up in a container skillfully made on the spot, and leave a bit of the roots attached to the vines and replace them in the holes they dug in a certain way so that the roots will regrow in the future.  They do some more magic.  When they bring the roots back they will have to be processed properly and cooked in a special manner.  Even though these particular roots do not have the fish poison in them, they are still highly toxic and the very young and the very old, or the sick, can die from eating them if they are not properly processed.</p>
<p>Another group of women and two men who are disabled go to a stream. The do some magic.  They build a two dams on the stream to isolate a 200 foot long section, and empty that section out using &#8216;buckets&#8217; they skillfully fashion on the spot.  When the stream is half empty, they mush the leaves of a nearby plant into the water, and this causes most of the fish to come to the surface, where they are harvested and wrapped up in packages skillfully made on the spot.  Then they start to probe under the partly exposed bank for crustaceans and more fish.  Two of the younger women are less careful and are badly shocked by an electric eel, but an older woman administers medicinal aid and explains how to avoid that next time.  The women who are shocked do not think this is funny but everyone else does.  As the women are finishing up this job, the two disabled men and one of the women gather up and package fruit fallen on the ground from a nearby tree, selecting only the fruits that are fresh and not munched on by the forest antelopes.  They note, however, that the forest antelopes have been here, and plan to come back the next morning to set up an ambush.</p>
<p>OK, so that&#8217;s steps 11 through 64.</p>
<p>Eventually, after a few hours out foraging, all of the people manage to get back at roughly the same time.  Two of the women who stayed in the camp hear people returning and skilfully stoke up their fires.  Some of the children, as they return, are sent out to get more firewood.  Some of the women take burning firebrands from the women who had stayed in camp to make their own fires.  Water is fetched, food processed, food put into pots of clay that had been manufactured by some of the women a few months back, and one of the children comes back without water but instead a bunch of peppercorns from a nearby vine.</p>
<p>Eventually all of the food is processed and cooked. Not counting messing with the hunting implements in the morning, the entire process took four hours. And it was a hoot.  This was a series of social events, jokes and stories were told, songs sung, tricks were played, people laughed until their sides hurt, people reminisced about a recently dead relative who had always liked to fish this particular stream (but got shocked by the eel that time and swore up and down for an hour, remember???).  This wasn&#8217;t just a trip to the grocery store.  It was the expression of a lifeway.  Westerners pay extra money to spend a few days every few years doing this.</p>
<p>That was approximately steps 64 through 92.</p>
<p>You! Civilized person! Switch places with the hunter gatherers and see if you can make their meal.  You would starve.  You would die in the bush.  You just would not be able to do it.  Well, of course, this is a group effort, so that is an unfair comparison.</p>
<p>So, you, and 16 of your best friends and their kids and grandparents!  Let&#8217;s see you do it!  Well, no, you&#8217;d all starve.  Eventually a group of &#8220;Westerns&#8221; might be able to learn how to do this, but if you sent a hundred such groups out into the bush to see how well they did (and equip them with books and videos showing how to do all that they need to know) they still starve or die of mishap long before they got the hang of it.  They just would not be smart enough. They just would not be good enough.</p>
<p>On the other hand, if you take a forager and try to teach him or her to open a fridge and operate a microwave, he or she would probably starve to death as well, right?</p>
<p>Keep kidding yourself about that.  In part two of this falsehood (yes, this is a two parter) we&#8217;ll look at the other side of the equation.  For now, the immediate point should be apparent:  When it comes to the basic daily task of putting food on the table, and for that matter for virtually all other daily tasks, you the Westerner can have the capacities of a relatively smart cucumber and you&#8217;d be fine, but in the hunter-gather world, it takes a team of highly trained experts working hard and working together <em>doing very complex </em>things every day to survive.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[This post was originally titled &#8220;Mail Order Brides and Hypergyny.&#8221; I was prompted to revisit the post because it received a a rather astonishing comment that I chose not to allow, but I did post it on my Facebook page where any attention it would receive would be from the thoughtful people that make up &#8230; <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/07/01/mail-order-brides-and-hypergny/" class="more-link">Continue reading <span class="screen-reader-text">Stealing Genes and Hypergyny</span> <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post was originally titled &#8220;Mail Order Brides and Hypergyny.&#8221;  I was prompted to revisit the post because it received a a rather astonishing comment that I chose not to allow, <a href="https://www.facebook.com/laden.greg/posts/10203720028057908">but I did post it on my Facebook page</a> where any attention it would receive would be from the thoughtful people that make up my Facebook community rather than just anybody out there on the Internet.  Also, I recently received a complaint from a reader that Scienceblogs.com has been showing a lot of ads for &#8220;mail order brides,&#8221; and this post was originally partly a response to that.</p>
<p>I should also mention that in the years between 2009 and 2014 it is possible that the term &#8220;mail order brides&#8221; has been legitimately problematized.  I don&#8217;t know that it has, it just seems like it must have been. For example, Wikipedia says &#8220;The term &#8220;mail-order bride&#8221; is both criticized by owners (and customers) of international marriage agencies and used by them as an easily recognizable term.[2] It has been pointed out that there is a discrepancy between how international adoptions are regarded (&#8220;saving a child&#8221;) and how international marriages are regarded (&#8220;buying a wife&#8221;).&#8221;  citing  Lilith, Ryiah (2000–2001), Buying a Wife but Saving a Child: A Deconstruction of Popular Rhetoric and Legal Analysis of Mail-Order Brides and Intercountry Adoptions 9, Buff. Women&#8217;s L.J., p. 225F Schaeffer-Grabiel (2005), When the mail-order bride industry shifted from using a magazine.  If you have any comments on that please leave them below.</p>
<p><H3>Original Post, Mail Order Brides and Hypergyny:</H3></p>
<p>Seymour had a mail order bride and he was very proud.  Seymour was a night watchman that I got to know because I was forever lurking around at night, passing through alarmed doors and making a nuisance of myself and, usually, keeping just one step ahead of Seymour, who&#8217;s main objective in life was to find a reason to throw me out of the building.  The one time he actually had the drop on me, found me without ID, with no instructions that people would be working late in the lab, on a weekend that people were not supposed to be in the building because of work being done on the fire alarm system, he made his move and told me to get out or I&#8217;d be arrested.</p>
<p>I had no choice.</p>
<p>I engaged in a conversation with Seymour, which no one had ever done before, and after a half hour he went way forgetting that his main goal in life was to throw me out of the building.  But in the mean time, I learned about his mail order bride.  From Korea.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve noticed that Scienceblogs.com has been running ads for hot Russian mail order brides.  These ads are rather funny on the surface; They seem to be parodies of such things that they represent.  But if you click on one (and I certainly did &#8230; expecting to end up at <em>The Onion</em>) one learns that this is the real thing.  These are real ads for real Russian women who really want to marry you.  If you are Seymour.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve told you before that I mostly avoid commenting on the advertisers for Scienceblogs.com.  Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil.  One of the most evil corporations on the planet is one of our sponsors, and no one ever seems to notice or complain.  My blog is editorially independent (as are all the other scienceblogs.com blogs) and I am free, if I choose, to blog against the big evil corporation, and in fact, have done so to a limited extent.</p>
<p>At first, I found it rather shocking that none of my fellow Sblings seem to be blogging about the mail order bride ads. Then I realized that they must all be using ad blockers.</p>
<p>For my part, as you may have noticed, almost everything I encounter lately seems to remind me of a story from the Congo.  (I wonder why that is?) So I can tell you a little about hypergyny in the Congo.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s get two things straight:</p>
<p>1) Mail order brides are participating in hypergyny.  Hypergyny is where females (gynos) marry &#8220;up&#8221; (hyper).</p>
<p>2) You will see the term &#8220;hypergamy&#8221; used and that is simply incorrect.  There can be no such thing as hypergamy as a practice because that means everybody marries up.  How would that work? The term is &#8220;hypergyny.&#8221;<sup>1</sup></p>
<p>Hypergyny can occur in a lot of different cultural systems, and in fact wherever there is a) differential wealth and b) males tend to control big hunks of that wealth and the associated power (and no, it is <em>NOT</em> all about power &#8230; wealth and power are historically interchangeable enough that we should be cautious about making such distinctions) there will be hypergyny because there will be women who either choose it or are forced into it.  In this form, and exploiting the ongoing conversations about <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/rape/">rape</a>, hypergyny can be understood by reference to the sexual interactions between allied forces liberating Europe from the Nazis and the local women.  In Italy, Allied men tended to rape the women.  In France, the women seemed happy to sleep with the men.  For food.  The difference?  Well, lots of things were different, but to oversimplify somewhat, there was a big difference in how much people were starving at that particular moment between Italy and France.</p>
<p>Hypergyny is sleeping with the man over a longer term.  For food and everything.</p>
<p>The most benign form of hypergyny of which I am aware (not counting mail order brides &#8230;. I&#8217;m not sure where I want to put that phenomenon on any scale of severity) is that found among the Efe Pygmies (and other Pygmies) in Central Africa.</p>
<p>Here, there are two integrated but distinct cultural entities:  Villagers and Foragers.  The Villagers are not Efe.  They may be Bantu or Central Sudanic speakers (where I worked, they were Central Sudanic Lese).  Villagers are farmers who often hunt, Efe are both foragers and farm laborers.  The fact that there are material overlaps between the cultures does not make these cultures overlapping in all ways, or hard to distinguish, or flexible in membership.  They are as solidly different as any caste might be.</p>
<p>The rules:  Any Villager man  and woman can marry.  Any Forager man and woman can marry.  Any man may have more than one wife.</p>
<p>A Villager woman can never marry a Forager man, but a Forager woman may marry a Villager man.</p>
<p>Often, but by no means always, the Forager woman who marries a Villager man is a second (or maybe even third) wife of that man, in a polygynous marriage.</p>
<p>If a Forager woman marries a Villager man, they live in the village as villagers.  The woman takes on the cultural trappings of the village much more than other Forager women do.  The children are Villagers.  If the woman leaves her husband and goes back to the forest, she can not take the children with her.  They remain as villagers.</p>
<p>The women can decide to do this or not.  Their decision is usually a matter of personal lifestyle preference.  The forest means freedoms not available in the village and you get to go camping all the time, and there are rich cultural traditions that live mainly in the forest, and that is where your family is.  In the villages, you get a roof that will hardly ever leak.</p>
<p>One of the effects of this system is that men among the Foragers marry on average quite late owing to the a shortage of women.</p>
<p>In this way, there is a slow and steady gene flow from Forager groups to Villager groups, which led me to propose some years ago the Gene Stealing hypothesis.  The relationship I describe here occurs in many different places and times.  It seems to occur more often in tropical regions, and it seems to occur virtually all the time where the indigenous group (in this case the Forager) is hypergynous to the invading group (in this case the Villagers, who moved into the area hundreds of years ago).</p>
<p>The invading group is not adapted to local disease to the extent that the indigenous group is.  But they can ensure that among their children there will be an elevated rate of such adaptation, by coming up with this pattern.  This works much better than just killing off the locals or driving them out.  You take their genes but keep them distinct as a locally adapted specialist group.</p>
<p>Indeed, there is evidence that something like this may have happened in the middle east with the Natufian culture, and I&#8217;ve wondered about the relationship between Modern Humans and Neanderthals in this regard.</p>
<p>I know, I know, that is a long way from pictures of Hot Russian Babes that may or may not be in the right sidebar.</p>
<p>Or maybe not&#8230;.</p>
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<sup>1</sup>There is a way in which hypergamy, which is widely used much to my annoyance, makes sense:  If you have hypergyny and hyperandry, then the two together could be hypergamy, much like polyandry and polygyny are polygamy.  But that is not what is going on with these terms.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[Efe people Ituri Forest Anthrophoto is an excellent source for anthropology stock photos Humans have been indistinguishable as far as the fossil record shows from today&#8217;s Homo sapiens for a minimum of about 120,000 years. Bones of Homo sapiens from back this far fit into the range of modern humans. But the archaeological record suggests &#8230; <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2007/01/29/an-evolutionary-view-of-humans-1-introduction/" class="more-link">Continue reading <span class="screen-reader-text">An Evolutionary View of Humans 1: Introduction</span> <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
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<p><strong>Humans have been indistinguishable as far as the fossil record shows from today&#8217;s <em>Homo sapiens</em> for a minimum of about 120,000 years.</strong>  Bones of <em>Homo sapiens</em> from back this far fit into the range of modern humans.  But the archaeological record suggests that our species – just as it is today – goes back farther.  The kind of material culture that the 120,000 year old humans (in Africa) had goes back to 250,000 years.  But some of the key aspects of that material culture &#8230; mainly in the way stone tools are made &#8230; go back even farther, perhaps between 350,000 and 500,000 years, in southern Africa.</p>
<p>(Interesting aside:  People often wonder if Neanderthals evolved into modern humans.  That questions seems a little dumb when we consider that the earliest modern humans predate the earliest Neanderthals.)</p>
<p>Humans invented agriculture (domestic plants and animals) only about 10,000 years ago or so, and at that time some groups started to live in permanent settlements.  But even so, many humans continued to practice hunting and gathering as their only, or at least primary, means of subsistence.  A mere 4 or 5 thousand years ago, half of the human species probably lived this way.</p>
<p>In other words, humans evolved as hunter-gatherers and have mostly been hunter-gatherers for for more than<span id="more-54"></span> 90% of our existence as a species.</p>
<p>For this reason, an evolutionary view of what we are &#8230; what human beings are all about &#8230; is best framed in the context of a hunting and gathering way of life.  And this way of life has certain features that seem to be common to almost all foraging peoples.  There is a large number of observations of foragers, living today or from recent times, that are helpful, given this premise, in understanding ourselves.  These include, but are not limited to:</p>
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<li>The way our social groups are organized.</li>
<li>The role of kinship and family in society and the nature of families.</li>
<li>What we are anxious about.</li>
<li>Our sleep patterns.</li>
<li>Pride, cooperation, competition.</li>
<li>What impresses us about specific members of the opposite sex.</li>
<li>How our diet relates to health.</li>
<li>How exercise relates to health.</li>
<li>And much, much more.</li>
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<p>It is amazing that humans today and in the recent past live in so many different kinds of societies.  When we look only at hunter gatherers, it is hard to understand how certain social systems that exist today could emerge.  This is probably best understood by realizing that the way we are as adults, and the way our societies are organized, is the product of extensive learning and enculturation.  The fact that a typical grown-up human does not act in a way that is deeply determined by genetic programming, but rather is a result of <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2010/10/22/what-is-the-most-important-hum/">extended childhood (a unique human trait) and social conditioning</a> means that all sorts of humans, and all sorts of human societies can emerge.</p>
<p>In graduate school, I studied the forager way of life intensively.  One of my advisors was <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2014/09/24/irven-boyd-devore-october-7-1934-september-23-2014/">Irv DeVore</a>, who pioneered modern forager studies during the Kalahari Project in Botswana during the 1960s.  I spent a total of about three years over four forays living with the Efe Pygmies, hunter-gatherers living in the Ituri Forest of what was then Zaire.  A handful of other anthropologists have also spent considerable time with various forager groups.  From this collective study, we can learn a great deal about what makes us tick as a species and as individuals.  In many ways, we learn much more from understanding the foraging way of life than from all the psychological studies done on undergraduate volunteers and all the social science studies done on masses of data and all of the recent anthropological ethnography and philosophical naval gazing that happens in and near ivory towers around the world.</p>
<p>This is the first in a series of posts that will address some of these topics.  The order of topics will be more or less random, as is the selection of which topics to cover.  But if anyone would like to see a particular issue addressed let me know and I&#8217;ll see if it is possible.</p>
<p><a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2007/01/an-evolutionary-view-of-humans-1-introduction/">An Evolutionary View of Humans 1: Introduction</a><br />
<a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2007/01/an-evolutionary-view-of-humans-2-sleep/">An Evolutionary View of Humans 2: Sleep</a><br />
<a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2007/01/an-evolutionary-view-of-humans-3-remembering-names/">An Evolutionary View of Humans 3: Remembering Names</a><br />
<a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2007/01/an-evolutionary-view-of-humans-4-sharing/">An Evolutionary View of Humans 4: Sharing</a><br />
<a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2007/01/an-evolutionary-view-of-humans-5-the-opposite-sex/">An Evolutionary View of Humans 5: The Opposite Sex</a></p>
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<p><strong>In homage to an inspiration of this post, <a href="http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/nytimes/obituary.aspx?n=boyd-irven-devore&#038;pid=172588466">I provide this link to the secret, generally unseen obituary of Professor Irven Boyd DeVore.</a> </strong></p>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hunting and Human Evolution I&#8217;ve never been that big of a fan of hunting as the explanation for everything that happened in human evolution, and I&#8217;ve tended to explore other areas more. This has led some to believe that I&#8217;m simply against acknowledging any role of hunting in human prehistory and evolution. This of course &#8230; <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2006/12/27/man-the-hunter/" class="more-link">Continue reading <span class="screen-reader-text">Man the Hunter and Human Evolution</span> <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
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I&#8217;ve never been that big of a fan of hunting as the explanation for everything that happened in human evolution, and I&#8217;ve tended to explore other areas more.  This has led some to believe that I&#8217;m simply against acknowledging any role of hunting in human prehistory and evolution.  This of course is not true at all, but I do think the issue needs to be addressed in a more complex and subtle way than it usually is.  The present comments are a tiny contribution towards a much larger requirement of thought and discussion.<br />
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<p>Why is hunting thought to be a key factor in human evolution?  Partly because it was once widely believed that among the primates, only humans ate a fair amount of meat (not counting insects).  If human hunting and meat consumption was unique among primates, then the evolution and effects of this behavior could easily be understood as vitally important.  Moreover, a lot of fieldwork and thinking about human evolution centered on Europe, where cave paintings of animals were common, with some hunting themes seemingly represented in these paintings.  </p>
<p>Of course, the uniqueness of human hunting behavior is now understood to be a gross overstatement.  There is hunting of mammals and the like by several primates, and in particular, chimpanzee hunting (mainly of monkeys) is fairly common.  </p>
<p>We now know that almost all of the important events that have happened in human evolution (since the chimp-human split) happened in Africa, and that the European record, while interesting, is not the primary record for these events.  Therefore, one would think that the European bias would be somewhat reduced in current thinking (the fact that it is not is of great interest, but I’ll not go into that here!).</p>
<p>But I think the most important reason for hunting taking center stage in the study of human evolution, to what appears to be an unjustified level, has to do with the nature of “Man” and the nature of “Hunting.”  </p>
<p>Have you ever been hunting, or been along with others while they did so?  I’ve accompanied both North American game hunters (armed with firearms) and Efe foragers (armed with arrows and spears).  Most of my time has been in the latter pursuit, and in a few instances, I joined the hunt not just as an observer but as a participant/observer.  </p>
<p>I don’t think hunting is a normal human activity in the same way that hunting is a normal lion activity, or a normal wolf activity.  Humans seem to react to hunting in a very powerful way, similar to how humans react to violence in general (and hunting seems to be fairly violent) or to certain kinds of sporting events (as observer or as participant).  A lot of yelling and screaming and jumping around can ensue under certain conditions.  Yes, most forager groups disdain bragging and avoid giving too much credit to any individual for being a great hunter, but the visceral reaction to, say, a near miss or to those moments when the hunted animal turns on the hunter (usually only briefly and to the animal’s final chagrin), is powerful and can’t be covered up or put into the background by cultural norms of modesty.  </p>
<p><H2>The Real Reason We Hunt?</H2><br />
Richard Wrangham thinks that it is possible that hunting by chimpanzees is more important as a form of male bonding than it is as a form of food acquisition.  He bases this assertion on two things.  First, the chimpanzees at Kibale, where he works, seem to hunt more when there is abundant non-meat food (i.e., fruit).  Hunting is not used by these chimps as a way to supplement their diets.  Hunting is not part of a sensible ecological strategy for garnering energy from the environment, but rather something that is done when one has the extra time and energy.  The second part of his argument (as I understand it) is that one of the most critically important things a male chimpanzee can do, in evolutionary/fitness terms, is to be adept at cooperating with other males of it’s group, to facilitate the act of killing extra-group chimpanzees.  The experience of hunting monkeys and the male-male interaction that relates to this primes and prepares the chimps for this important yet rare event.   Hunting monkeys is training for being an effective, fierce, demonic male chimp.</p>
<p>Is this the case in humans?  There is no way to know this at this time.  There certainly are groups of human foragers (in the ethnographic present) who rely so much on meat that hunting is basically a form of subsistence, no matter what other function it may have.  Even when plant foods are abundant, meat is still important to almost every group of forager (and non-forager, likely) as a source of “complete proteins.”  All traditional human hunting is imbued with ritual and ceremony that exceeds that generally linked with gathering.  So in the end, there is evidence that hunting can be and often is an ecologically important activity for human foragers.  There is also evidence that hunting is (probably) always an important social activity, mainly among men.</p>
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<p><H2>&#8220;Man The Hunter&#8221;</H2><br />
So, now, return to the idea that the “man the hunter” concept is something that derives from the nature of “Man” and the nature of “Hunting.”  As you may have guessed, I’m not using the incorrect gender non-neutral term “Man” to refer to humans.  I’m talking about men.  Guys, to be more exact.  Guys, for various reasons including insecurity about reproduction as well as food and subsistence, etc., tend to invent methods of bonding that can sometimes be quite elaborate.  In many societies, throughout time, hunting has probably been one of these methods.  Certainly, many of the male scholars who first looked into human evolution were themselves hunters (shooting quail on the moorland, big game in East Africa, etc.) and had a good, Victorian understanding of this process of bonding.  </p>
<p>When a 19th or 20th century guy archaeologist holds a beautifully made, often phallic-shaped obsidian spearhead in his hands, feeling it’s heft and running his fingers along the still sharp, elongated, stone-hard edge, he is bonding with another guy, of a much earlier time period, who could probably have killed his quarry just as effectively with a sharp stick, but opted instead to produce, carry around, display, and use this really cool piece of gear.  So it’s a guy thing, and it’s a gear thing.  It’s sort of a guys-with-gear thing. </p>
<p>Hunting isn&#8217;t likely the driving force in human evolutionary change, but it can certainly be an important human activity that is related to human evolutionary change.  </p>
<p>One final brief note on something to be addressed at another time:  The assumption that hunting by men is central to human evolution has led many to assume that hunting drove the evolution of tool use, and thus, tool use is a male thing.  This contradicts the best evidence we have about technology in primates, which suggests that females, not males, are the tool makers, tool users, and the teachers (or at least facilitaters) who pass this ability on to subsequent generations.  So, gear, it turns out, may be more of a girl thing after all. </p>
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