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					<description><![CDATA[I am astonished at how utterly ignorant journalists from national outlets are of the Iowa Caucus. If the Iowa Caucus going &#8220;wrong&#8221; can be the virtual end of the Democratic Party as we know it, and the end of all caucuses, you would think the press would know what they are. The press never notices &#8230; <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2020/02/05/how-the-us-national-press-is-hurting-democracy-right-now/" class="more-link">Continue reading <span class="screen-reader-text">How the US National Press Is Hurting Democracy Right Now</span> <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am astonished at how utterly ignorant journalists from national outlets are of the Iowa Caucus.  If the Iowa Caucus going &#8220;wrong&#8221; can be the virtual end of the Democratic Party as we know it, and the end of all caucuses, you would think the press would know what they are.  The press never notices that the total number of delegates awarded on precinct caucus night is less then the total number awarded by Iowa. You would think that if the caucus results being available a few hours after Chuck and Andrea&#8217;s bed time was an existential crisis for democracy, that they would also have noticed that half of the delegates that Iowa will send to the National Convention are not ever awarded on on this fateful evening to begin with.  Until the TV talking heads can explain how that works, they should really tone down their rhetoric on what did and did not happen in Iowa.</p>
<p>Here is a piece of information that might be helpful.  If the following is new to you, then you didn&#8217;t really know what the caucuses are.  If it sounds familiar, you probably still don&#8217;t know, but at least you have a vague idea. If you read and absorb all of this, you still don&#8217;t know because this is a 20,000 foot look at parts of a large and important grassroots system.</p>
<p>There is no such thing as &#8220;<strong>a </strong>caucus.&#8221; On &#8220;caucus night&#8221; there are hundreds of individual caucuses, and although there are prevailing rules, they are independent conversations happening among voters during which several tings are decided, including electing a very large number (maybe thousands?) of delegates to go on to engage in other levels of activity, things like resolutions to shape the party platform, party business, party officers, and so on. Oh, and during the Iowa precinct caucus process, there is the first part of a multi-part process that involves deciding on some of the national delegates.  So in that sense, what we think of as the Iowa Caucus is one piece of a multi-part part of a multi part thing. The day Chuck Todd can tell us how that works without screwing up the explanation is the day he gets to tell us what went wrong in any given year.</p>
<p>&#8220;The Iowa Caucus&#8221; is also not &#8220;<strong>A</strong> caucus&#8221; because it is the first of several stages of meetings. The first one is called a caucus, and the later ones are called conventions.  But the conventions are still caucuses, and at them, delegates are elected, generally among the larger initial number.  I believe (I&#8217;m a Minnesota caucus guy, not an Iowa caucus guy, so I many have this muddled a bit) that Iowa ultimately selects, during precinct caucuses, delegates who will ultimately be selected among to operate at the County level, Congressional District level, State level and National level.  These are grassroots party activists who engage in several important party activities, basically running the party, thus ensuring that the Iowa Democratic Party remains a grassroots organization with lots of knowledgeable and engaged volunteers.</p>
<p>Here is a common conversation on social media I am having these days:</p>
<p>Other person: &#8220;Caucuses suck. They dont&#8217; work. There should just be a primary. The system is broke. Bla bla bla.&#8221;</p>
<p>Me: &#8220;Which caucuses have you been involved in, I&#8217;d love to know specifically what is wrong.&#8221;</p>
<p>Other person: <em>silence because they have never been to a caucus and have no clue</em></p>
<p>Make no mistake. There are people who are involved in caucuses who don&#8217;t like them. But, that doesn&#8217;t make them right. Most of the complaints they have are invalid for one of the following reasons:</p>
<p>1) There are things wrong with caucus, and things wrong with primaries.  You can&#8217;t only complain about the one and not the other.</p>
<p>2) Things like &#8220;accessibility&#8221; and the like are often complained about. That is a factor, but it can be fixed, and good organizing units have fixed it. For instance, the caucus I help run is done at a huge facility that is among the most accessible in the region, and since the facility is capable of handling many thousands of people all day every day, our caucuses don&#8217;t stress things like handicapped parking, etc.  (Other caucuses are not as good as us, but that is not the problem of the caucus, but a problem that can and should be fixed.&#8221;)</p>
<p>3) Complaining about the caucus but ignoring the entire party structure, with conventions, central committees, etc. is like saying you don&#8217;t like a person because of their hat.  Maybe they have a stupid hat, but their hat is not as bad as your determination that they are a bad person because they have a bad hat.</p>
<p>4) It is said by haters that a caucus limits participation because it is held at a certain time at a certain place. That is true, for some potential participants. But it is also true that the caucus and convention system on balance enhances involvement, and that matters.  In addition, as noted several times already, the caucus is part of a larger process. Anybody in Minnesota&#8217;s Senate District 44 want to get meaningfully involved in DFL politics but can&#8217;t do the caucus? Find me, I&#8217;ll fix you up.  You can be very involved, influentially involved, meaningfully involved. But not if we have only a primary.</p>
<p>For every complaint about caucuses, I have one countervailing complaint about primaries: You can&#8217;t really buy a caucus (no, you can&#8217;t), but you can buy a primary.  In a time when we should be eating the rich, do we really want to give up the last of our grassroots power?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll just add this to complexity things.  Tonight I&#8217;m going to caucus with some people over support of a particular candidate for a local race. Two night ago, Iowa had its precinct caucus, and on Feb 25th Minnesota does that as well (though there will be nothing about the presidential race at that caucus). I&#8217;m a member of the DFL Environmental caucus, which does not caucus.  Recently, the Democrats in Minnesota, whose caucus is in the majority in the house but not in the Senate, formed the House Climate Change Action Caucus. And so on.</p>
<p>Not only is the thing that they call the &#8220;caucus&#8221; only one part of a larger, and good, thing, but the word &#8220;caucus&#8221; is a bit like the word &#8220;<a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/06/28/computer-terms-definitions-d/">desktop</a>&#8221; in that it means many things.  Until Chuck and Andrea and the other national reporters can keep all of this straight, and not just some of it, it is irresponsible of them to force changes in our political system because they are annoyed at the scheduling of events.</p>
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		<title>Falsehood: &#8220;Voters are kept from political involvement by the rules&#8221;</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Voting is not party involvement. We hear a lot of talk these days about &#8220;voters&#8221; being repressed in their attempt to be involved in the Democratic primary process. There may be something to that, and it might be nice to make it easier for people to wake up on some (usually) Tuesday morning and go &#8230; <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/10/22/falsehood-voters-kept-political-involvement-rules/" class="more-link">Continue reading <span class="screen-reader-text">Falsehood: &#8220;Voters are kept from political involvement by the rules&#8221;</span> <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Voting is not party involvement.</p>
<p>We hear a lot of talk these days about &#8220;voters&#8221; being repressed in their attempt to be involved in the Democratic primary process.  There may be something to that, and it might be nice to make it easier for people to wake up on some (usually) Tuesday morning and go and vote in a Democratic or Republican primary or visit a caucus.  But there is a difference between a desire for a reform and the meaningful understanding of that reform &#8212; why we want it, how to do it, and what it will get us &#8212; that makes it important to do what we Anthropologists sometimes call &#8220;problemetizing the concept.&#8221;</p>
<p>We can start with the statement that in the primary system, &#8220;Voters should not be kept from involvement by rules that make it impossible for them to engage in the democratic (small &#8220;d&#8221;) process.&#8221;  That sentence seems reasonable, even important, and is essentially a call for open, instead of closed, primaries, or in some cases, for replacing a caucus with a primary.  <span id="more-9693"></span></p>
<p>The first part of the sentence that is problematic is the word &#8220;voters.&#8221; Yes, people who vote in a primary are voting, and thus voters, but that is not really what a voter is in our democratic system. A voter is a person who votes in the general election for a constitutional candidate. The constitutional candidates got on the ballot, usually, through our party system in which a formally recognized party puts someone on the ballot by filling out the right paper work and following a bunch of law-based rules and some other rules that the party itself makes up.  The person who goes and votes in a primary is doing something subtly but importantly different. They are participating in the party&#8217;s process of selecting a candidate.  In theory, this could be done with no voting. It could be done by people meeting several times to pick surrogates, who will be delegates to a convention. Even when it seems like one is visiting a polling location and casting a vote for a candidate, that is not really what you are doing.  You are actually casting a vote that will be put together with all of the other votes cast in that state for use in a formula that will cause chosen delegates to vote a certain way on the first ballot at a national convention, after which they can do (more or less) what they want.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen people use the word &#8220;elect&#8221; and &#8220;election&#8221; in reference to what people are doing during the primary process.  But we are not doing that.  The statement that &#8220;Voters should not be kept from involvement by rules that make it impossible for them to engage in the democratic process.&#8221; is improperly framed, because what happens in the primary process does not really involve voters, but rather, individuals who are participating in a party&#8217;s process in a way that often involves casting a ballot, but really not a ballot for a particular candidate.</p>
<p>Now lets travel down the sentence a bit farther until we get to the phrase &#8220;kept from.&#8221;</p>
<p>There are a lot of ways to keep someone from casting a ballot or caucusing that are bad and that should be fixed. In Minnesota we cast our presidential preference ballot during a one hour time period at a large building (usually a school) with inadequate parking, often far from where people live, not on a bus route, in the dark (lots of people don&#8217;t drive in the dark), under conditions that are dauntingly chaotic.  It is assumed, almost certainly correctly, that this causes a lot of people to not even show up.  If an insufficient number of polling places is arranged so it takes hours of waiting to pick your candidate, or if you show up and somehow you are not allowed to vote because your name has been incorrectly removed from the registration list, or something along those lines, then you are being kept out.  These and similar things are bad and should be fixed.</p>
<p>But a lot of the &#8220;kept from&#8221; stuff is not about any of that. Rather, it is about the particular rules a party uses (or all the parties in a state, in some cases) that the participant must know about and follow in order to be involved in the process.  In New York you have to be registered in a party to vote in that party&#8217;s primary.  In New Hampshire it, a registered Democrat must vote in the Democratic Primary, a registered Republican can vote in the Republican primary, and a registered Independent can pick at the last second which of those two party&#8217;s primary to vote in.  I&#8217;ll discuss in a moment why these rules a) should be changed and b) shouldn&#8217;t be changed.  For now, though, we need to recognize that these are not things done to keep one from involvement. They are simply the rules for being involved.  Potential party primary participants who are kept out of the process because of these rules are, essentially, repressing themselves (sadly).</p>
<p>Now let&#8217;s go even further down the sentence (&#8220;Voters should not be kept from involvement by rules that make it impossible for them to engage in the democratic process.&#8221;) and look at the word &#8220;involvement.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve already implied that involvement in the primary or caucus process is not the same thing as voting, even if you think you are voting at the time, because you really aren&#8217;t quite voting for a candidate (I quickly add that yes, this is true with the Electoral College as well, but generally we feel that we have an inalienable right to vote in the general election for all sorts of candidates, and only one of those offices is somewhat indirect, and perhaps it shouldn&#8217;t be).</p>
<p>Involvement is not casting a ballot in a primary or standing on a table holding up a sign in a caucus one time.  Involvement is bigger than that.</p>
<p>Consider Sorkin&#8217;s Rule &#8220;Decisions are made by those who show up.&#8221; That is actually not true.  Important decisions about complicated things require multiple conversations, meetings, etc. The actual rule should be &#8220;Decisions are made by those who show up. And then show up a few more times.&#8221;</p>
<p>I suspect that the majority of people who are pointing at long established party rules and complaining about being kept form involvement really don&#8217;t want to be &#8220;involved&#8221; in the way it takes to really be involved because it takes a fair amount of work.  Rather, people seem to want to vote for a candidate and go home, and have that be all there is to it, and have it count.  But involvement is actually more complicated than that, and may require more work than that.</p>
<p>For example, consider the recent caucus in Minnesota.</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t actually caucus for president here, although it is called that. Rather, we cast a vote (as described above) just like in a primary, but a rather badly done primary.  In Minnesota, as well as in other states, that vote ultimately determines only one thing: how will the delegates that the state sends to the national convention vote on the first ballot.  If you want a particular candidate to survive an open convention, or if you want your candidate&#8217;s party platform planks to be considered, you better send a delegate supporting your candidate to the national convention somehow, and do some other things. To do this, you will have to show up not just once, but a couple or a few times.</p>
<p>In Minnesota, we had that preference ballot, and at the same event (the precinct caucus) people were able to present resolutions, which could ultimately be part of the party platform if approved by enough people.  The resolutions that go through this process <em>are</em> the party platform, and the party platform doesn&#8217;t come from anywhere else.  So resolutions are presented at the precinct caucus, and voted on, and if approved, go on to the next level.  Also, at this precinct caucus, delegates are selected to go forward in the process.</p>
<p>A few weeks later, there is a Senate District convention. All the precinct level resolutions are listed on a ballot, and the delegates that moved forward can vote on them. Delegates are welcome to rise in support or opposition of a resolution, and there is discussion among all the delegates of these resolutions.  So the voting itself is a democratic process, but that process is enhanced by a conversation at which questions can be raised and answered and issues can be clarified.  The resolutions that are passed on will likely become part of the state party&#8217;s platform.</p>
<p>A this event, the delegates select among themselves a smaller set of delegates that will go on to the next level (Congressional District or County).  Those delegates will form the pool from which the national delegates are ultimately chosen, and they will vote on other party issues at higher levels of the caucus process.</p>
<p>That, folks, is involvement. If you go forward to this level and participate, you have influenced the party platform, and you have influenced which actual people go forward as delegates. Maybe you yourself will even be one of these delegates.</p>
<p>Sticking for a moment with Minnesota, let me tell you what happened at my caucuses, because it is illustrative of a key point I&#8217;m trying to make here.</p>
<p>There were about twice as many votes cast in the presidential preference ballot than individuals who stayed in the room to participate.  The people in the room were the usual Democrats who show up every two or for years, among whom were several Clinton supporters and several Sanders supporters. I&#8217;m pretty sure the two people running the show included one Clinton supporter (my guess) and one Sanders supporter (I know that for a fact. Hi Robin.)</p>
<p>Note to Sanders supporters: Those of you who voted and left gave up an opportunity for involvement.  Casing your ballot was easy, and thank you for doing that. But it wasn&#8217;t enough.</p>
<p>Also in the room were about a dozen Sanders supporters who I&#8217;m pretty sure (and in some cases, I&#8217;m certain of this) had not participated in the process before, ever, even though their ages ran from just eligible to vote to mid 40s or so.  The chair of the caucus asked for a show of hands of how many people were new to the process. Several hands went up, and the rest of us cheered them and welcomed them. In other words, what some might call the &#8220;party insiders&#8221; (people who show up again and again) welcomed the noobies, and were very happy to have them there. So this was about a 50-50 mix of Clinton-Sanders supporters cheering on a bunch of new folks who were likely in majority Sanders supporters.</p>
<p>It was interesting to see what happened when resolutions were presented.  Some of the resolutions caused these newer folks to take notice and ask questions.  Two resolutions asked that various aspects of medical coverage for transgender medicine be restored to the state health plan.  These provisions had been removed by the Republicans, and the Democrats wanted them back.  The Sanders Noobies said things like &#8220;this shouldn&#8217;t apply to kids&#8221; and &#8220;this is a lifestyle choice, why should it be paid for by taxpayer?&#8221; and such. They did not understand that those are issues that have long been dealt with by the medical community, and were not concerns.  (Much of this was explained to them by a transgender woman who was in the room).  Once the Sanders Noobies understood this, they supported the resolutions (mainly, there were a couple of conservatives who voted against several liberal resolutions, which is of course their right). The same thing, roughly, happened with two or three other resolutions having to do with issues of race and racism.</p>
<p>That was fantastic.  Sanders supporters, involved in the political process for the first time, were engaged in a conversation in which they became more aware of certain issues, and asked questions, and had a conversation.</p>
<p>Note to Sanders supporters: Those of you who stayed at the caucus meeting contributed to the conversation and learned more about the issues. That was involvement. Thank you for doing that.</p>
<p>At the Senate caucus, the resolutions were available to vote on, and there was extensive conversation about them.  The conversation was so extensive that the chair of the caucus noted that he had never seen such involvement.  Oh, and by the way, he also asked for a show of hands of those who were there for the first time.  There were many, and the rest of us applauded and cheered them, and thanked them.</p>
<p>The Senate District Caucus, as noted, selects a subset of delegates to go forward.  This was done as a walking caucus, and because of the way a walking caucus works, people were divided up into groups that had a candidate&#8217;s name (or uncommitted) along with an issue. For example, &#8220;Sanders and wealth inequality&#8221; or &#8220;Clinton and health care&#8221; or &#8220;Uncommitted and education,&#8221; etc.</p>
<p>The number of delegates that were elected to go on were about 50-50 Sanders vs. Clinton. (Slightly more for Clinton than Sanders.) In other words, a Sanders win in the presidential ballot preference (at the Precinct Caucus) was erased with respect to the delegates that went forward.  Our Precinct caucus was allowed to send some 12 delegates forward, but only about 6 people volunteered, and of those, only two showed up at the Senate District Caucus.</p>
<p>Decisions are made by those who show up. <em>Multiple times</em>.</p>
<p>So the outcome of this process was that the ratio of Sanders to Clinton delegates who would support one of the candidates in a second ballot, or in convention business, or with the party platform, from our caucus, does not reflect the presidential ballot exactly because Sanders supporters did not show up.  I checked on some other Senate District Caucuses, and others had better numbers for Sanders, but I think the final outcome is close to 50-50.</p>
<p>Note to Sanders supporters: Showing up at the precinct caucus to cast a presidential ballot, and then not showing up again, was not enough.</p>
<p>A walking caucus is a bit complicated, and there is a way to do it to maximize a preferred outcome in terms of delegates passed on to the next level. I note that the Clinton supporters at that event did so, but the Sanders supporters probably lost one delegate because the were imperfect in their strategy. Why were thy imperfect? Because this process, which is highly democratic, grass roots, conversational, and all that, is also a little complicated.  In order to do it right, it is helpful to have a number of people who know what they are doing (because they did it once or twice before, or got a half hour of lessons form someone who knows how to do it &#8230; very doable) on your side.  The Sanders Noobs, bless their pointy heads, may have lost one delegate because they did not show up multiple times over the long term (from year to year) and the Sanders campaign did not bother to engage in the &#8220;ground game&#8221; in Minnesota.</p>
<p>This illustrates a problem with democracy. The problem is not that the process is necessarily complicated so the good guys lose.  The problem is that having a real conversation and real involvement is not simple, and requires a little more effort. This puts a small disadvantage on the insurgent, but only a small one.  The outcome is that people show up, talk, listen, learn, influence, make things happen.</p>
<p>A word about New Hampshire, as promised.</p>
<p>In New Hampshire, you register for a party (Democratic or Republican) or as an independent. This registration then limits your choices for what happens in a primary (so it is a semi-closed primary). People who say they want the rules changed to allow better involvement object to this. If you are a Republican who decides you prefer a Democrat, you can&#8217;t vote for the Democrat.  That is, of course, not really true because this is not the general election, it is the primary, but whatever.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the thing, though. If you are an independent in New Hampshire, you are a special political snowflake.  The activists and campaigners in both major parties have your name (you are registered) and will court you and buy you coffee and talk to you and visit you and call you on the phone and give you a lot of attention, and pay careful attention to what you say.  You are the subset of people who will determine the outcome of the primary, in many cases.  This is a situation where the rules, which are restrictive, actually enhance and amplify involvement for those who register in this manner.</p>
<p>Something like this happens at a different level of intensity with party registration in general. Even where there is no registration in a party (like in Minnesota, we don&#8217;t register here), there is a list of probable party supporters. This underlies strategies for mailings, coffee clutches in homes, door to door visits, etc.  Here&#8217;s a hint: If you want to have a bit more influence in the process, donate five dollars to a candidate.  You and your views will be attended to, at least to some extent.</p>
<p>A word about party platforms.  People say, without evidence generally, that party platforms are not important, that no one pays attention to them. At the state level, this is simply not true. The party platform is the legislative agenda of the party.  The success of a party&#8217;s effort during a legislative session is measured by the degree to which the party platform, which was determined by the people who showed up &#8212;<em> multiple times</em> &#8212; was put into effect. Seated legislators and governors take credit for their implementation of the platform, or find reasons to explain (often blaming the other party) why planks from the platform were not implemented, in their campaign speeches, campaign literature, and appeals for funding.</p>
<p>It might be true that these things matter less at the national level, but there are some good reasons for that. National policy implementation is often more reactionary than at the state level because politics are often shaped by unexpected international events or an uncooperative economy.  But it still matters.</p>
<p>Now, back to Minnesota for a moment, for another stab at problematizing the premise.  All that caucus stuff I&#8217;m talking about allows involvement by citizens to shape the political future at the local, state, and national levels.  But we often hear that a simple primary, where you just vote and go home, counts as better, or more real, or more meaningful involvement in the political process. (This of course ignores the fact that voting in a primary does not influence the party platform or other party issues.)</p>
<p>In Minnesota we also have a primary. It happens late in the process.  One of the main objectives of the caucus system is to endorse candidates for Congress, and rat the state level and below (but not municipal, usually).  The caucuses can endorse a candidate, but that endorsement does not mean that the candidate is put forward by the party.  The candidate is only put forward if they get the majority of votes in the primary.   Often, probably almost all the time in fact, the various candidates for a particular office fight for the endorsement, then drop out if they don&#8217;t get it.  But sometimes one of those candidates, or an entirely different candidate that was not even involved in the endorsement process, puts their name in the primary and runs.</p>
<p>The reason this is interesting and important vis-a-vis the key points I&#8217;m making here is this. The system that many seem to prefer because they think it is true involvement (and anyone can vote in either primary, there are no restrictions, in Minnesota) actually has the potential to circumvent and obviate the grass roots endorsement process. It allows a person with means to swoop in and become the party&#8217;s nominee.  This happened recently two times. In one case, a person of means swooped in and took the party&#8217;s nomination form the endorsed candidate for governor. He won the election and became one of the best governors we&#8217;ve ever had. In a different case, a person with means swooped in to try to take the party&#8217;s nomination at the primary from a highly regarded much loved State Auditor, who had been endorsed. In that case, the swooper spent piles of money on the primary but was roundly shellacked, losing in an historic landslide.</p>
<p>Note to those who want to switch to having a simple primary for everything because it allows for more democratic involvement by the citizens; No, it doesn&#8217;t.</p>
<p><em>&#8220;Voters should not be kept from involvement by rules that make it impossible for them to engage in the democratic (small &#8220;d&#8221;) process.&#8221; </em></p>
<p>It is not a simple truth that closed primaries or caucuses limit involvement.  That can happen, but limitations (i.e., as in New Hampshire) can increase involvement.  Citizens who want to be involved but found this difficult because they did not know or follow the rules have repressed their own involvement. Personally, I would advocate for open caucuses or open primaries, so I don&#8217;t disagree with the proposals being made so vocally these days. But I think that many who are calling for such reform do not really understand why we want it, how to do it, and what it will get us, and what we might in some cases lose from it.</p>
<p>The caucus system is better than the primary system in many ways, because it encourages and allows a lot of involvement. But in those instances were we are basically voting for a preference, the caucus system can be stifling.   We need to ask what we want, how to do it, and what it will get us, at a more detailed level, and then find solutions that may in some cases be hybrids, or may in some cases require only minor tweaking in the system.</p>
<p>I think people need to ask themselves why they are independents.  Some people are independents because they dislike the party system, but I&#8217;m sure they are wrong to think that. Parties are organizations that give voice and power to regular people.  We should work towards enhancing that effect, not tossing it like bathwater out the window.  Others recognize that being independent gives them a bit more political power than being a party member, in some cases.  Those folks have a problem in states where not being registered in a party takes you out of the primary process. Those individuals have to decide if they want to engage in a party system for a given year or not, or they need to advocate for an open system in their state.  I recommend following the first strategy immediately &#8212; learn the rules and use the party system when appropriate &#8212; while advocating long term for the second strategy.  What I do not recommend is complaining about a system you don&#8217;t fully understand and demanding specific changes that would actually reduce, rather than increase, your involvement.</p>
<p>I also suggest that people do two other things. One is to remember that the primary system is a totally different process than the general election.  In a way, you can&#8217;t actually suppress voting in a primary, because a primary (or caucus) is a way a party, which could select nominees in any of a number of ways, reaches out the the people. Furthermore, you are not really voting for a candidate, but for delegates, and by voting and walking away, you are not really even doing that.</p>
<p>The other thing is to understand the numbers better. This is a bit of a digression from the main points of this post, but important.  Remember my comments above about percentages of Sanders vs. Clinton supporters in various subsets of people at these events.  It is not the case that the &#8220;party faithful&#8221; or &#8220;established Democrats&#8221; (people who show up multiple times) are Clinton supporters and the Noobs are Sanders supporters. Yes, there are differences in proportion, but evidence from Minnesota belies this oversimplification. My best guess is that about half the established Democrats (we call ourselves DFLers here) in Minnesota are for Sanders, and half are for Clinton, but Sanders won the presidential preference ballot because some extra people who were mainly Sanders supporters showed up. But then many of those Sanders supporters did not show up multiple times.  The influence they had was to put the state in the Sanders win column, but remember the numbers. Sanders only got a couple of more national delegates than Clinton, and in the end the two candidates will have the same number of supporters, I predict, at the convention. So, the only influence there is in one &#8212; critical but singular &#8212; event at the convention, the first ballot.</p>
<p>Democracy is great, and democracy is hard. There are reforms that are necessary, but gravitating towards easy, thinking that enhances democracy, is foolish.  If you make it too easy it will not be as great.</p>
<p>And, really, it isn&#8217;t all that hard.</p>
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		<title>How Bernie Sanders Lost Nevada Four Times</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[First, Sanders lost Nevada because Hillary Clinton won the caucus. Then, the Sanders campaign put their ground game into effect, in an effort to overtake Clinton during the nearly-unique-to-Nevada process that allows for changes in pledged delegates at later caucuses. But he didn&#8217;t get enough delegates to achieve that. The Sanders campaign does get credit &#8230; <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/05/16/how-bernie-sanders-lost-nevada-four-times/" class="more-link">Continue reading <span class="screen-reader-text">How Bernie Sanders Lost Nevada Four Times</span> <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, Sanders lost Nevada because Hillary Clinton won the caucus.</p>
<p>Then, the Sanders campaign put their ground game into effect, in an effort to overtake Clinton during the nearly-unique-to-Nevada process that allows for changes in pledged delegates at later caucuses.  But he didn&#8217;t get enough delegates to achieve that. The Sanders campaign does get credit for getting more delegates than they had before, of course.</p>
<p>Then, at the State Convention, Sanders had enough delegates in place to gain a couple of more delegates and possibly tie with Clinton in the end. But the organizers for the Sanders campaign failed to ensure that all the delegates to that convention were totally on board with what they needed to do in order to be credentialed at the event.  Of the thousands of delegates at the convention, a handful of Clinton delegates failed to be credentialed (an expected number) but something over 60, initially, of the Sanders delegates were not legit, so they could not participate.  A few of those managed to get credentialed by clarifying their information, but most did not.  I&#8217;m not 100% certain of this, but I think that had they all been credentialed there would have been enough Sanders delegates to win one more delegate.</p>
<p>The fourth failure is complex, and mainly philosophical.  First, Sanders supporters around the country are complaining a lot about how the Democratic Party process is an insiders game and ignored the will of the people. This is odd, considering that the will of the people leans strongly towards Clinton.  In any event, the Sanders campaign playing the ground game in the middle of the Nevada process was inside politics.  This sort of inside politics is perfectly normal, legal, expected, and what you have to do if you want to win. But by complaining loudly about the Clinton campaign doing this sort of thing, and then doing this, Sanders lost a moral high ground. The fact that this particular moral high ground does not exist to begin with means that this is merely an annoyance, but it is annoying.</p>
<p>Another part of the fourth failure is the cacophony of Sanders voices complaining about getting screwed in Las Vegas (I&#8217;m sure they weren&#8217;t the only ones that evening).  This is a problem because it engenders bad feelings among democrats, but the accusation is based on nothing. What really happened is that the Sanders campaign tried to grab a couple of more delegates, but owing, I think, to too many people involved being ignorant of how the system works, failing to do as well as they might have.  This same ignorance has led to unfounded complaints about what happened at the Nevada convention. This whole thing, this fourth way of losing, has given people whoa are getting tired of the Sanders followers more of a reason to call for Sanders to drop out of a race he has already lost.  That loss may be more important than the small number of delegates that the Nevada Sanders campaign organizers failed to get.</p>
<p>A few points for those not fully aware. First, the numbers of delegates at the convention is very large, and the number of delegates who were not credentialed is very small, a fraction of a percent.  Second, yes, this convention was chaotic, but guess what: they are all, always, chaotic.  What happened at this convention was mostly pretty normal, though the Sanders antics did make the event run way more over time than usual. Another thing that was a bit unusual was that they were allowed to go over time by three hours. That is fairly remarkable. Usually, a extended event (caucus or campaign) shuts down much sooner.</p>
<p>Both campaigns had people involved in counting delegates, credentialing delegates, and running the meeting. This was not a case of Sanders people all on the floor and Clinton people running the show. Rather, both Clinton and Sanders people were involved in all aspects of this convention, and both Sanders and Clinton people, for the most part, acted properly during the event. I think it was just a small number of Sanders people who were causing all the extra raucous, and later complaining about it.</p>
<p>When considering the events in Nevada, remember that no two caucuse systems are alike, and the Nevada system is probably much less like the others than any.  People are calling for a revision of the Nevada system, to not allow so much changing around of delegate pledges after the initial causus (though that has nothing to do with what happened Saturday), but actually, this system is better for the campaign process and for democracy. First, candidates have to demonstrate that they are willing to do more than just show up for a few days of stumping and buy a few ads. They have to be involved at the state and local level the whole time.  Second, if there is a shift in the opinion of party mebmers as to who should get the state&#8217;s delegates, this allows for that adjustment.  In this case, the adjustment mainly indicated a shift towards Clinton and away from Sanders. Thus, the Sanders people are a bit upset.  Understandable, but just part of the process.</p>
<p>By and large, a lot of Democrats (both Sanders and Clinton supporters) are deciding to love or hate a the process, or a particular part of the process, based on whether their candidate won or lost. Please stop. In fact, estopp. You signed up for the game, this is the game, these are the rules.  Feel free to suggest changes in the rules, but you can&#8217;t issue a complaint when the rules are followed but you didn&#8217;t get your way.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 00:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&#8230; continued &#8230; In the US, political parties have what is called a &#8220;platform&#8221; which is a list of assertions &#8230; &#8220;we want this&#8221; and &#8220;we want that&#8221; sort of assertions. The &#8220;platform&#8221; is made up, quaintly, of &#8220;planks&#8221; with each plank being about one issue. Like for my local Democratic Farm Labor party unit, &#8230; <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/04/22/eday-4/" class="more-link">Continue reading <span class="screen-reader-text">The Plank&#8217;s Constant</span> <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2010/04/eday_3.php"> &#8230; continued &#8230; </a></p>
<p>In the US, political parties have what is called a &#8220;platform&#8221; which is a list of assertions &#8230; &#8220;we want this&#8221; and &#8220;we want that&#8221; sort of assertions.  The &#8220;platform&#8221; is made up, quaintly, of &#8220;planks&#8221; with each plank being about one issue.  Like for my local Democratic Farm Labor party unit, one of our Planks is to get the damn road fixed over at Devil&#8217;s Triangle, a particularly bad intersection down on Route 169. That&#8217;s a local  plank, but if we go to a party event, and a gubernatorial candidate is answering questions, she or he is expected to know what the heck is being talked about if someone brings up &#8220;Devil&#8217;s Triangle.&#8221;</p>
<p><span id="more-7814"></span><br />
&#8220;&#8230; No, no, it&#8217;s not in the Caribbean.  It&#8217;s in Maple Grove &#8230;.  At the lights, on 169 &#8230;. you know, that place with all the traffic&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>You often hear that party platforms are not important, but nothing can be farther from the truth.  Once an issue gets plank status, that issue is on the table and can be brought to the floor even if you are not a chair.  In other words, any Joe six pack or Sally minivan can bring a plank issue up at a committee meeting, public meeting, whatever, without looking like a dork or a crazy person by saying &#8220;I&#8217;d like to refer to an item in the state convention&#8217;s platform&#8230; bla bla bla&#8221;</p>
<p>This is because the planks are given credibility by the process. They are suggested and voted on at caucus meetings, and then passed on to committees, and eventually combined and winnowed down, and voted on again, and so on and so forth (it&#8217;s complicated) so that many hands have touched them, similar ideas have been combined, and the ideas have been refined.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the Minnesota version.  Every state has its process, some more accessible by the average citizen, some less so.</p>
<p>I have three reasons for talking about planks and platforms and such in a post on Earth Day.</p>
<p>1) Parties have platforms. Independent candidates do not, and some parties like the Independence Party don&#8217;t either because they don&#8217;t believe in them.  But platforms are good. Party politics is potent.  If you have believed the oft repeated rhetoric and think parties are bad or dead or old hat or ineffective, then you&#8217;ve been convinced to get out of the way and let others do the policy building for you. Don&#8217;t be chump.  Decisions are made by those who show up.  At your party&#8217;s platform meetings!</p>
<p>2) Which simply leads to the conclusion that you must think globally and act locally. On this Earth Day, please spend some time finding out what you need to do to become involved locally with your party. Local planks become district plans which become state planks and some of those planks go to Washington DC.  No kidding.  If enough people in your state organize (and this can be done with 20 people or so if they know what they are doing) they can get a plank to the national convention that says &#8220;No genetically modified crops ever, for any reason.&#8221; Or &#8220;Fund homeopathy as well as you fund regular medicine.&#8221;</p>
<p>3) Which leads me to my third and final point: When it comes to woo, there is a significant parallel between the environmental movement and health care. Well, to be exact, there is a lot of woo in both places, and it exists in these political discussions that happen locally and that make a difference. But you can manage that problem.  If  you are a skeptic, you need to become a locally active politically operative skeptic.</p>
<p>Get involved in the plank building process, and build meaningful planks that will persist.</p>
<p>For the Earth.</p>
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