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		<title>If I suggested you read this, it is because you used &#8220;ad hominem&#8221; wrong</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[The term &#8220;ad hominem&#8221; means directed against a person. If you are a racist, and I say you are a racist, then my statement is ad hominem. Note that the statement may be technically correct. I&#8217;m saying something about you, and you really are a racist, so my statement is correct. On the other hand, &#8230; <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2020/05/03/if-i-suggested-you-read-this-it-is-because-you-used-ad-hominem-wrong/" class="more-link">Continue reading <span class="screen-reader-text">If I suggested you read this, it is because you used &#8220;ad hominem&#8221; wrong</span> <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The term &#8220;ad hominem&#8221; means directed against a person.</p>
<p>If you are a racist, and I say you are a racist, then my statement is ad hominem. Note that the statement may be technically correct. I&#8217;m saying something about you, and you really are a racist, so my statement is correct.  On the other hand, if you are not a racist, and I say you are a racist, that is an incorrect ad hominem statement. My statement is incorrect.  Either way, I have not committed an &#8220;ad hominem fallacy.&#8221;  I&#8217;ve simply made a statement about you, that may or may not have been correct.</p>
<p>So, what the heck <em>is</em> the meaning of the term &#8220;ad hominem fallacy&#8221; you may ask?  (Note that the term &#8220;ad hominem&#8221; itself, or &#8220;ad hom&#8221; for short, has come to imply &#8220;ad hominem fallacy.&#8221;)  In the above example, you might think that if I call you a racist and you are, that I have not committed a fallacy, but if you are a racist, I&#8217;ve not.  In neither of the above examples, have I committed the ad hominem <em>fallacy</em>.</p>
<p>If I sent you to this post to read it, it is more likely because I think you&#8217;ve committed the <em>fallacy of the ad hominem fallacy</em>. This is a meta-fallacy. You have claimed that an ad hominem fallacy has occurred because someone has called someone a racist (or some other nasty thing, I&#8217;m using &#8220;racist&#8221; as an example here, obviously) whether the accusation is right or wrong. But your reference to the ad hominem fallacy is in fact a fallacy because none of that relates to what an ad hominem fallacy actually is.</p>
<p>An ad hominem fallacy is when you are arguing over an issue, like are cats better than dogs, and you go after the person you are arguing with and attack them as a person <strong>as part of your argument</strong>. That is not the same as the question of whether the person is in fact worthy of this attack.</p>
<p>Let me give you an example.</p>
<p><strong>Me:</strong> Cats are better than dogs.</p>
<p><strong>Hitler:</strong> No, dogs are better than cats.</p>
<p><strong>Me:</strong> No. You are, in fact, Hitler, and Hitler is a total jerk, so therefore, cats are better than dogs.</p>
<p>Here, I am wrong in two ways. First, you can&#8217;t say that cats are better than dogs.  Or visa versa. Second, I&#8217;m arguing that the other guy in this argument is <em>wrong because he is a jerk</em>.  I was committing an ad hominem fallacy.</p>
<p>However, I am right about one thing. Hitler is a jerk. So, let&#8217;s play it out again from a slightly different angle.</p>
<p><strong>Me:</strong> Cats are better than dogs.</p>
<p><strong>Hitler:</strong> No, dogs are better than cats.</p>
<p><strong>Me:</strong> Hitler, you are a complete jerk, did you know that?</p>
<p><strong>Hitler:</strong> So I&#8217;ve been told.</p>
<p><strong>Me:</strong> In any event, you are wrong. Cats are better than dogs.</p>
<p><strong>Hitler:</strong> Really, you can&#8217;t say one is better than the other.</p>
<p><strong>Me:</strong> You know, you are right about that. You are still a jerk.</p>
<p><strong>Hitler:</strong> So I&#8217;ve been told.</p>
<p><figure id="attachment_32890" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-32890" style="width: 300px" class="wp-caption alignright"><img decoding="async" data-attachment-id="32890" data-permalink="https://gregladen.com/blog/2020/05/03/if-i-suggested-you-read-this-it-is-because-you-used-ad-hominem-wrong/nazis-i-hate-these-guys1/" data-orig-file="https://i0.wp.com/gregladen.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/nazis-i-hate-these-guys1.jpg?fit=524%2C278&amp;ssl=1" data-orig-size="524,278" data-comments-opened="1" data-image-meta="{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}" data-image-title="nazis-i-hate-these-guys1" data-image-description="" data-image-caption="&lt;p&gt;Hitler is still bad. &lt;/p&gt;
" data-medium-file="https://i0.wp.com/gregladen.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/nazis-i-hate-these-guys1.jpg?fit=300%2C159&amp;ssl=1" data-large-file="https://i0.wp.com/gregladen.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/nazis-i-hate-these-guys1.jpg?fit=524%2C278&amp;ssl=1" src="https://i0.wp.com/gregladen.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/nazis-i-hate-these-guys1-300x159.jpg?resize=300%2C159" alt="" width="300" height="159" class="size-medium wp-image-32890" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/gregladen.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/nazis-i-hate-these-guys1.jpg?resize=300%2C159&amp;ssl=1 300w, https://i0.wp.com/gregladen.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/nazis-i-hate-these-guys1.jpg?resize=500%2C265&amp;ssl=1 500w, https://i0.wp.com/gregladen.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/nazis-i-hate-these-guys1.jpg?w=524&amp;ssl=1 524w" sizes="(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px" data-recalc-dims="1" /><figcaption id="caption-attachment-32890" class="wp-caption-text">Hitler is still bad.</figcaption></figure>Here, our discussion about cats vs. dogs actually came to a reasonable conclusion and, indeed, a consensus.  Who knew both Hitler and I could be so reasonable? Also, I made an ad hominem attack on Hitler. I called him a jerk.  In so doing,<em> I did not commit an ad hominem fallacy.</em>  I made a statement of belief about Hitler&#8217;s jerkiness, and very likely, I was right. I did not use Hitler&#8217;s jerkiness as part of my argument about cats vs. dogs.  Even if I was wrong, and Hitler is a nice guy with a bad reputation, my statement was still <em>not an ad hominem fallacy.</em>  It might have been wrong, but it was not an ad hominem fallacy.  It was about him, so technically, it was &#8220;ad hominem&#8221; but not a fallacy.</p>
<p>An ad hominem fallacy is when you use a personal attack on a person in order to devalue or dismiss an argument they are making.  It is NOT when you make a statement about the person, which may or may not be a personal attack, in and of itself.  I maintain Hitler is a jerk, and I don&#8217;t care about cats vs dogs. Maybe I&#8217;m right, maybe I&#8217;m wrong, but while that is an attack on the man, it is not a logical fallacy.  If I say his opinion about dogs vs cats is wrong because he is a jerk, THAT is an ad hominem fallacy.</p>
<p>I sent you here because I think you got that wrong, and I wrote this post because I&#8217;m weary of that common fallacy, about a fallacy, being toted out in the middle of arguments.</p>
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