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		By: dean		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2022/10/28/james-webb-cancelled/#comment-981117</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Oct 2022 02:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2022/10/28/james-webb-cancelled/#comment-981113&quot;&gt;Greg Laden&lt;/a&gt;.

Ricka&#039;s view is that these things unfairly target conservatives. He simply doesn&#039;t like that people who are bigots and worse have to suffer consequences. I&#039;m obviously not convinced there is a &quot;cancel culture&quot;, and most certainly not in the way ricka uses the term (as I said above), especially as warped as his view of society is. 

Im not sure there is a good chance everyone in the past will be cancelled, and that concern certainly shouldn&#039;t prevent anyone from suffering that &quot;fate&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2022/10/28/james-webb-cancelled/#comment-981113">Greg Laden</a>.</p>
<p>Ricka&#8217;s view is that these things unfairly target conservatives. He simply doesn&#8217;t like that people who are bigots and worse have to suffer consequences. I&#8217;m obviously not convinced there is a &#8220;cancel culture&#8221;, and most certainly not in the way ricka uses the term (as I said above), especially as warped as his view of society is. </p>
<p>Im not sure there is a good chance everyone in the past will be cancelled, and that concern certainly shouldn&#8217;t prevent anyone from suffering that &#8220;fate&#8221;.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Oct 2022 00:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Cancel culture totally exists, and it is often good for us.

And, it often goes too far or involves utter stupidities. Like cancelling Wallace by a couple of ornithology grad students who did not understand what they were reading, abetted by a second rate journalist working for a major newspaper who could not admit he was wrong.

Like everything new, unfettered, in the internet, from software apps that break your phone to reinterpretations of scientific observations that are absurd, cancel culture can make a mess of things as much as it can help.

But the good side is that when it does work out, associations with living or historical figures that are in the end obnoxious and triggering, traumatizing even in some cases, can be identified and mitigated against.  Individuals who were actively racist, anti LGBT, etc. can be examples of this, and this may be one of those examples.  

Rick has a point: almost everyone in the past is liable to get cancelled. However, it is also true that not everyone in the past was a dickhead.  Some were not, but they tend to be overlooked, and were probably repressed or silenced at the time.  I have no problem with cancelling the name use of past people when they turn out to have acted like everyone else in an age where almost everyone was a jerk.  

I also think we should stop naming thigs after people.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cancel culture totally exists, and it is often good for us.</p>
<p>And, it often goes too far or involves utter stupidities. Like cancelling Wallace by a couple of ornithology grad students who did not understand what they were reading, abetted by a second rate journalist working for a major newspaper who could not admit he was wrong.</p>
<p>Like everything new, unfettered, in the internet, from software apps that break your phone to reinterpretations of scientific observations that are absurd, cancel culture can make a mess of things as much as it can help.</p>
<p>But the good side is that when it does work out, associations with living or historical figures that are in the end obnoxious and triggering, traumatizing even in some cases, can be identified and mitigated against.  Individuals who were actively racist, anti LGBT, etc. can be examples of this, and this may be one of those examples.  </p>
<p>Rick has a point: almost everyone in the past is liable to get cancelled. However, it is also true that not everyone in the past was a dickhead.  Some were not, but they tend to be overlooked, and were probably repressed or silenced at the time.  I have no problem with cancelling the name use of past people when they turn out to have acted like everyone else in an age where almost everyone was a jerk.  </p>
<p>I also think we should stop naming thigs after people.</p>
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		By: RickA		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2022/10/28/james-webb-cancelled/#comment-981110</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2022 23:21:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2022/10/28/james-webb-cancelled/#comment-981102&quot;&gt;RickA&lt;/a&gt;.

dean:

In addition to this very post - which is about cancelling James Webb, I also cite:

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/feb/16/top-10-recent-examples-cancel-culture/

Of course cancel culture exists.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2022/10/28/james-webb-cancelled/#comment-981102">RickA</a>.</p>
<p>dean:</p>
<p>In addition to this very post &#8211; which is about cancelling James Webb, I also cite:</p>
<p><a href="https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/feb/16/top-10-recent-examples-cancel-culture/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/feb/16/top-10-recent-examples-cancel-culture/</a></p>
<p>Of course cancel culture exists.</p>
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		By: dean		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2022/10/28/james-webb-cancelled/#comment-981105</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2022 20:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2022/10/28/james-webb-cancelled/#comment-981102&quot;&gt;RickA&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;&quot;Cancel culture&quot; as you  define it doesn&#039;t exist. The same as the &quot;antifa organization&quot; you imagine doesn&#039;t exist. The same as many things you imagine pose threats don&#039;t exist.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2022/10/28/james-webb-cancelled/#comment-981102">RickA</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8221;Cancel culture&#8221; as you  define it doesn&#8217;t exist. The same as the &#8220;antifa organization&#8221; you imagine doesn&#8217;t exist. The same as many things you imagine pose threats don&#8217;t exist.</p>
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		By: RickA		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2022/10/28/james-webb-cancelled/#comment-981102</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2022 19:44:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I disagree with this decision.  Cancel culture is stupid.  If NASA officials want to name its newest telescope after one of its famous adminstrators, they can do that.  That is its name.  A journal cannot rename it and we should push back against this political correctness.  Does using its initials really change anything?  Of course not.  Now the cancel culture people will attack and try to change the name of the JWST telescope to something else.  Perhaps a trans astronomer will get it named after them - not because of anything they did, but because of what identity they have - how stupid is that.

When we judge historical people by contemporary standards, all historical people will get cancelled.  Nobody acts &quot;properly&quot; when measured 50 years or more in the future.  Everybody famous today will get cancelled in the future - even the most fervent cancelers of today will get cancelled in the future (probably because they are so fervent in cancelling people today).

So this is a dumb decision and I don&#039;t agree with it.  It was the James Webb space telescope when launched and it remains the James Webb space telescope.  If the journal won&#039;t use its official name, publish in a different paper.  Don&#039;t allow political correctness to influence your decisions.  That is what weak and cowardly people do.  Take a stand and use the official name and push back against any attempt to substitute a different name for the official name.

Just one person&#039;s opinion (of course).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree with this decision.  Cancel culture is stupid.  If NASA officials want to name its newest telescope after one of its famous adminstrators, they can do that.  That is its name.  A journal cannot rename it and we should push back against this political correctness.  Does using its initials really change anything?  Of course not.  Now the cancel culture people will attack and try to change the name of the JWST telescope to something else.  Perhaps a trans astronomer will get it named after them &#8211; not because of anything they did, but because of what identity they have &#8211; how stupid is that.</p>
<p>When we judge historical people by contemporary standards, all historical people will get cancelled.  Nobody acts &#8220;properly&#8221; when measured 50 years or more in the future.  Everybody famous today will get cancelled in the future &#8211; even the most fervent cancelers of today will get cancelled in the future (probably because they are so fervent in cancelling people today).</p>
<p>So this is a dumb decision and I don&#8217;t agree with it.  It was the James Webb space telescope when launched and it remains the James Webb space telescope.  If the journal won&#8217;t use its official name, publish in a different paper.  Don&#8217;t allow political correctness to influence your decisions.  That is what weak and cowardly people do.  Take a stand and use the official name and push back against any attempt to substitute a different name for the official name.</p>
<p>Just one person&#8217;s opinion (of course).</p>
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