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		By: RickA		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RickA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2022 12:55:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Just read a great new paper, which I highly recommend:

https://www.utvarpsaga.is/file/2022/07/SSRN-id4000800.pdf]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just read a great new paper, which I highly recommend:</p>
<p><a href="https://www.utvarpsaga.is/file/2022/07/SSRN-id4000800.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.utvarpsaga.is/file/2022/07/SSRN-id4000800.pdf</a></p>
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		By: dean		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dean]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Oct 2022 15:40:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2022/10/20/the-end-of-democracy-as-we-know-it-coming-soon-to-a-polling-place-near-you/#comment-980948&quot;&gt;Mike Haubrich&lt;/a&gt;.

You give ricka too much credit. He&#039;s never based an injection on science, whether for this, climate change, or anything . His argument here stems from his dismissal of gays and lesbians (they aren&#039;t natural, being allowed to be married is wrong, etc.) 

His lack of concern over the bill I mentioned is also linked to his rabid devotion to the modern authoritarian qop: go back and read his defenses of the trump motivated attack on the Capitol (the attackers didn&#039;t have weapons, it was not an attempt to disrupt the government, and more). If the right proposes anything it&#039;s fine with him. 

Os, in the end, it&#039;s very safe to attribute his objection to bigotry - history supports that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2022/10/20/the-end-of-democracy-as-we-know-it-coming-soon-to-a-polling-place-near-you/#comment-980948">Mike Haubrich</a>.</p>
<p>You give ricka too much credit. He&#8217;s never based an injection on science, whether for this, climate change, or anything . His argument here stems from his dismissal of gays and lesbians (they aren&#8217;t natural, being allowed to be married is wrong, etc.) </p>
<p>His lack of concern over the bill I mentioned is also linked to his rabid devotion to the modern authoritarian qop: go back and read his defenses of the trump motivated attack on the Capitol (the attackers didn&#8217;t have weapons, it was not an attempt to disrupt the government, and more). If the right proposes anything it&#8217;s fine with him. </p>
<p>Os, in the end, it&#8217;s very safe to attribute his objection to bigotry &#8211; history supports that.</p>
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		By: Mike Haubrich		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Haubrich]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Oct 2022 21:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I wouldn&#039;t be so quick to call Rick a bigot on this issue.  There are several issues that are coming out of Britain and Sweden regarding the early treatment and assumption that kids are trans.  I myself am a skeptic that there really is such a thing as being transgender.  The Cass Review is near completion after several whistleblowers at the Tavistock Clinic of the GIDS noted that therapists were rushing children into puberty blockers off-label, with the assurance that the effects are reversible.  But there is no evidence that they are.  And, if you look at all of the necessary growth that happens during puberty and adolescence; to the heart, to the bones, and to the lungs as well as the brain, how can we accep that blocking puberty is harmless?  How can someone who has been on blockers for their teen life suddenly have the maturity needed to make decisions to go on HRT or have surgeries to remove their breasts or genitals in the false hope that it will change their sex?  These are decisions that can&#039;t be taken back.

I&#039;ve met and spoken with detransitioners who have said they were rushed into transitioning, with no counseling to determine if or how their own sexual histories may have led them to decide that they were transgender.  And they can&#039;t restore the parts of their bodies that were removed, they have to live with it.

There is growing evidence that many kids who are gay are being steered towards transitioning, and also evidence that without &quot;affirming&quot; treatment, they resolve their issues.  Many parents report that their children desisted once their access to the internet was restricted, so there must be more study.

There are too many bills threatening parents with prison either for not affirming their child&#039;s gender, or for affirming it, and it&#039;s a huge question that needs better answers before we send parents who are confused about this to prison for trying to do the right thing.

NHS is now reviewing the practice of therapists prescribing blockers off-label, and is now placing a policy that they may only be prescribed as part of strict-protocol studies.  You may object that this article is in the Telegraph, but that would be poisoning the well.  It is an accure description of what Dr. Cass is uncovering.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/10/23/children-who-think-transgender-just-going-phase-says-nhs/

If nothing else, it&#039;s better to take a &quot;wait and see&quot; and demeaning Rick may be your hobby, but I agree with him here.  Our sex is determined by our genetics, and gender is a social structure.  According to Dennis Kavanaugh, too many gay and lesbian kids are being steered towards medical treatment for symptoms that merely are contrary to the gender expectations that we have for males and females.  That&#039;s one of the reasons that Tavistock was shut down.

There is no settled science on this.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t be so quick to call Rick a bigot on this issue.  There are several issues that are coming out of Britain and Sweden regarding the early treatment and assumption that kids are trans.  I myself am a skeptic that there really is such a thing as being transgender.  The Cass Review is near completion after several whistleblowers at the Tavistock Clinic of the GIDS noted that therapists were rushing children into puberty blockers off-label, with the assurance that the effects are reversible.  But there is no evidence that they are.  And, if you look at all of the necessary growth that happens during puberty and adolescence; to the heart, to the bones, and to the lungs as well as the brain, how can we accep that blocking puberty is harmless?  How can someone who has been on blockers for their teen life suddenly have the maturity needed to make decisions to go on HRT or have surgeries to remove their breasts or genitals in the false hope that it will change their sex?  These are decisions that can&#8217;t be taken back.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve met and spoken with detransitioners who have said they were rushed into transitioning, with no counseling to determine if or how their own sexual histories may have led them to decide that they were transgender.  And they can&#8217;t restore the parts of their bodies that were removed, they have to live with it.</p>
<p>There is growing evidence that many kids who are gay are being steered towards transitioning, and also evidence that without &#8220;affirming&#8221; treatment, they resolve their issues.  Many parents report that their children desisted once their access to the internet was restricted, so there must be more study.</p>
<p>There are too many bills threatening parents with prison either for not affirming their child&#8217;s gender, or for affirming it, and it&#8217;s a huge question that needs better answers before we send parents who are confused about this to prison for trying to do the right thing.</p>
<p>NHS is now reviewing the practice of therapists prescribing blockers off-label, and is now placing a policy that they may only be prescribed as part of strict-protocol studies.  You may object that this article is in the Telegraph, but that would be poisoning the well.  It is an accure description of what Dr. Cass is uncovering.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/10/23/children-who-think-transgender-just-going-phase-says-nhs/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/10/23/children-who-think-transgender-just-going-phase-says-nhs/</a></p>
<p>If nothing else, it&#8217;s better to take a &#8220;wait and see&#8221; and demeaning Rick may be your hobby, but I agree with him here.  Our sex is determined by our genetics, and gender is a social structure.  According to Dennis Kavanaugh, too many gay and lesbian kids are being steered towards medical treatment for symptoms that merely are contrary to the gender expectations that we have for males and females.  That&#8217;s one of the reasons that Tavistock was shut down.</p>
<p>There is no settled science on this.</p>
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		By: dean		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Oct 2022 20:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I get that this goes against your 1700s understanding of science and law rickA. Par for the course for you on complicated issues: if it involves big words it&#039;s wrong.

As usual, you have no clue, and your bigoted notions are just crap.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I get that this goes against your 1700s understanding of science and law rickA. Par for the course for you on complicated issues: if it involves big words it&#8217;s wrong.</p>
<p>As usual, you have no clue, and your bigoted notions are just crap.</p>
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		By: RickA		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RickA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Oct 2022 18:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2022/10/20/the-end-of-democracy-as-we-know-it-coming-soon-to-a-polling-place-near-you/#comment-980942&quot;&gt;dean&lt;/a&gt;.

60 - 80% remit or desist.  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8596152/

So minors should not be allowed to make this decision, especially against the wishes of the parents.  Even if the parents are ok with surgery or puberty blockers, they should be properly educated that they are sterilizing their children and permanently cutting off parts of their bodies (although you would think they would know that).

What parent would allow surgery or chemical castration, knowing 80% will want to reverse it later in life?  Bad parents - that is who.

The UK just came out with a sane policy against surgery or puberty blockers for minors - and I couldn&#039;t agree more.

Only a crazy person (or a democrat or dean) would allow a minor to make a life changing decision which will sterilize them  - because of a social contagion and fad.  That is just nuts.  I hope every state makes it illegal for minors to get surgery or hormone blockers and makes it illegal for any third party to try to persuade a minor they are &quot;born in the wrong body&quot;.  

The fact that teachers and schools are conspiring to do this behind parents backs is truly a crime.  That adults would do this to children is on par with priests raping children - truly a massive betrayal.  Morally wrong.  

If an adult wants to chemically castrate themselves, sterilize themselves and undergo irreversible surgery - I say go for it.  But to try to influence a child to do this or even to permit it is truly evil.  

Kids - wait until you are adults and 80% of you will be happy you waited.

By the way - A large swath of the trans kids are merely gay or lesbian.  Nobody is born into the wrong body - that is just bull.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2022/10/20/the-end-of-democracy-as-we-know-it-coming-soon-to-a-polling-place-near-you/#comment-980942">dean</a>.</p>
<p>60 &#8211; 80% remit or desist.  <a href="https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8596152/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8596152/</a></p>
<p>So minors should not be allowed to make this decision, especially against the wishes of the parents.  Even if the parents are ok with surgery or puberty blockers, they should be properly educated that they are sterilizing their children and permanently cutting off parts of their bodies (although you would think they would know that).</p>
<p>What parent would allow surgery or chemical castration, knowing 80% will want to reverse it later in life?  Bad parents &#8211; that is who.</p>
<p>The UK just came out with a sane policy against surgery or puberty blockers for minors &#8211; and I couldn&#8217;t agree more.</p>
<p>Only a crazy person (or a democrat or dean) would allow a minor to make a life changing decision which will sterilize them  &#8211; because of a social contagion and fad.  That is just nuts.  I hope every state makes it illegal for minors to get surgery or hormone blockers and makes it illegal for any third party to try to persuade a minor they are &#8220;born in the wrong body&#8221;.  </p>
<p>The fact that teachers and schools are conspiring to do this behind parents backs is truly a crime.  That adults would do this to children is on par with priests raping children &#8211; truly a massive betrayal.  Morally wrong.  </p>
<p>If an adult wants to chemically castrate themselves, sterilize themselves and undergo irreversible surgery &#8211; I say go for it.  But to try to influence a child to do this or even to permit it is truly evil.  </p>
<p>Kids &#8211; wait until you are adults and 80% of you will be happy you waited.</p>
<p>By the way &#8211; A large swath of the trans kids are merely gay or lesbian.  Nobody is born into the wrong body &#8211; that is just bull.</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Oct 2022 18:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Here in MI the worst of the worst (folks on the right, as they always are now) aren&#039;t even pretending they aren&#039;t ignorant bigoted scum. There are scores of reasons we need to prevent the modern right from dominating in government: this is just one of them. 

https://www.mlive.com/public-interest/2022/10/michigan-parents-may-face-life-in-prison-for-providing-minors-gender-affirming-care-under-bill.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here in MI the worst of the worst (folks on the right, as they always are now) aren&#8217;t even pretending they aren&#8217;t ignorant bigoted scum. There are scores of reasons we need to prevent the modern right from dominating in government: this is just one of them. </p>
<p><a href="https://www.mlive.com/public-interest/2022/10/michigan-parents-may-face-life-in-prison-for-providing-minors-gender-affirming-care-under-bill.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.mlive.com/public-interest/2022/10/michigan-parents-may-face-life-in-prison-for-providing-minors-gender-affirming-care-under-bill.html</a></p>
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		By: RickA		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RickA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Oct 2022 11:45:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The polls have been wrong over so many election cycles, that I don&#039;t trust any polling data anymore.  

When is the last time you have answered a poll?  It has been decades for me.  I screen my landline calls and only answer if I recognize the number.  My phone alerts me to potential spam calls and I usually do the same as with my landline.

If I do accidently answer the phone and a computer is talking I hang up.

My point is that nobody answers the pollsters anymore.  They must be getting a very very skewed sample if they aren&#039;t making it all up in the first place.

So I wouldn&#039;t worry to much.  The polls will no doubt turn out to be very wrong again.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The polls have been wrong over so many election cycles, that I don&#8217;t trust any polling data anymore.  </p>
<p>When is the last time you have answered a poll?  It has been decades for me.  I screen my landline calls and only answer if I recognize the number.  My phone alerts me to potential spam calls and I usually do the same as with my landline.</p>
<p>If I do accidently answer the phone and a computer is talking I hang up.</p>
<p>My point is that nobody answers the pollsters anymore.  They must be getting a very very skewed sample if they aren&#8217;t making it all up in the first place.</p>
<p>So I wouldn&#8217;t worry to much.  The polls will no doubt turn out to be very wrong again.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Haubrich]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Oct 2022 17:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Those are probably the same people who were harassing indigenous people on the Phoenix Capitol Grounds and asking for their green cards.]]></description>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dean]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Oct 2022 12:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Fascists at work.

https://twitter.com/Garrett_Archer/status/1583661765795074050]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fascists at work.</p>
<p><a href="https://twitter.com/Garrett_Archer/status/1583661765795074050" rel="nofollow ugc">https://twitter.com/Garrett_Archer/status/1583661765795074050</a></p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Oct 2022 07:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Defeatism certainly won&#039;t help. 

I really hope you are wrong here and people need to work to make sure this doesn&#039;t happen.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Defeatism certainly won&#8217;t help. </p>
<p>I really hope you are wrong here and people need to work to make sure this doesn&#8217;t happen.</p>
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