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		By: Mike Haubrich		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Haubrich]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Oct 2022 15:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2022/10/14/is-blood-ever-blue-science-teachers-want-to-know/#comment-970956&quot;&gt;Christopher Winter&lt;/a&gt;.

Greg and Bill Schutt talk about horseshoe crabs on Ikonokast.

https://ikonokast.com/2021/10/27/episode-24-pump-a-natural-history-of-the-heart-part-1/

https://ikonokast.com/2021/11/10/episode-25-pump-a-natural-history-of-the-heart-part-2/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2022/10/14/is-blood-ever-blue-science-teachers-want-to-know/#comment-970956">Christopher Winter</a>.</p>
<p>Greg and Bill Schutt talk about horseshoe crabs on Ikonokast.</p>
<p><a href="https://ikonokast.com/2021/10/27/episode-24-pump-a-natural-history-of-the-heart-part-1/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://ikonokast.com/2021/10/27/episode-24-pump-a-natural-history-of-the-heart-part-1/</a></p>
<p><a href="https://ikonokast.com/2021/11/10/episode-25-pump-a-natural-history-of-the-heart-part-2/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://ikonokast.com/2021/11/10/episode-25-pump-a-natural-history-of-the-heart-part-2/</a></p>
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		By: Lionel A		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lionel A]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Oct 2022 14:37:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Li D if you are still around, does this chime with your memory of  book on the origin of Mauve?

&lt;a href=&quot;https://hbswk.hbs.edu/archive/mauve-how-one-man-invented-a-color-that-changed-the-world&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;Mauve: How One Man Invented a Color That Changed the World&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Li D if you are still around, does this chime with your memory of  book on the origin of Mauve?</p>
<p><a href="https://hbswk.hbs.edu/archive/mauve-how-one-man-invented-a-color-that-changed-the-world" rel="nofollow ugc">Mauve: How One Man Invented a Color That Changed the World</a></p>
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		By: Christopher Winter		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christopher Winter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2022 02:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[An excellent discussion. I&#039;m sure everyone reading Greg&#039;s title question read it as he intended: &quot;Is [human] blood ever blue?&quot;

I&#039;m equally certain that everyone posting here knows there are creatures whose blood is not red &#8212; the best known probably being the horseshoe crab.

This article in &lt;i&gt;Vox&lt;/i&gt; gives a good overview of the various blood colors and their chemistries.

https://www.vox.com/xpress/2014/10/31/7133779/blood-blue-green-purple]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An excellent discussion. I&#8217;m sure everyone reading Greg&#8217;s title question read it as he intended: &#8220;Is [human] blood ever blue?&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m equally certain that everyone posting here knows there are creatures whose blood is not red &mdash; the best known probably being the horseshoe crab.</p>
<p>This article in <i>Vox</i> gives a good overview of the various blood colors and their chemistries.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.vox.com/xpress/2014/10/31/7133779/blood-blue-green-purple" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.vox.com/xpress/2014/10/31/7133779/blood-blue-green-purple</a></p>
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		By: Obstreperous Applesauce		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Obstreperous Applesauce]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2017 15:48:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2022/10/14/is-blood-ever-blue-science-teachers-want-to-know/#comment-452396&quot;&gt;Li D&lt;/a&gt;.

Hat tip to WaPo for the doggies:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/02/27/12-fascinating-optical-illusions-show-how-color-can-trick-the-eye/?utm_term=.0fcf39cac1ee

They have some other examples there that are easy to verify by covering part of the image with a finger. (It&#039;s just that I&#039;m a sucker for critters.) Some of their images are of poor quality though.

There&#039;s an xkcd one there that&#039;s pretty good, which references the now famous dress.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2022/10/14/is-blood-ever-blue-science-teachers-want-to-know/#comment-452396">Li D</a>.</p>
<p>Hat tip to WaPo for the doggies:<br />
<a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/02/27/12-fascinating-optical-illusions-show-how-color-can-trick-the-eye/?utm_term=.0fcf39cac1ee" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/02/27/12-fascinating-optical-illusions-show-how-color-can-trick-the-eye/?utm_term=.0fcf39cac1ee</a></p>
<p>They have some other examples there that are easy to verify by covering part of the image with a finger. (It&#8217;s just that I&#8217;m a sucker for critters.) Some of their images are of poor quality though.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s an xkcd one there that&#8217;s pretty good, which references the now famous dress.</p>
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		By: Li D		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Li D]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2017 12:30:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2022/10/14/is-blood-ever-blue-science-teachers-want-to-know/#comment-452344&quot;&gt;David Formanek&lt;/a&gt;.

This reminds of a book that i strongly recommend about the colour mauve and its history. It played a fair part in the development of modern industrial chemistry.
I think it was called Mauve, the colour that changed the world; or something similar. Really entertaining read it was.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2022/10/14/is-blood-ever-blue-science-teachers-want-to-know/#comment-452344">David Formanek</a>.</p>
<p>This reminds of a book that i strongly recommend about the colour mauve and its history. It played a fair part in the development of modern industrial chemistry.<br />
I think it was called Mauve, the colour that changed the world; or something similar. Really entertaining read it was.</p>
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		By: Li D		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Li D]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2017 12:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Bollocks them  dogs coloured the same! I looked and looked and even though I know about the context issue my eyes absolutly 100% wont let me percieve the sameness.
I will swear in court they are different! 
Wow. Great image. Thanks to the commenter O Applesauce  for it. Might show it at a weekly saftey meeting as an example of a situational awareness issue.
I was reminded of the Mcgurk effect actually, which is a pretty neat thing too, for those unfamiliar with it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bollocks them  dogs coloured the same! I looked and looked and even though I know about the context issue my eyes absolutly 100% wont let me percieve the sameness.<br />
I will swear in court they are different!<br />
Wow. Great image. Thanks to the commenter O Applesauce  for it. Might show it at a weekly saftey meeting as an example of a situational awareness issue.<br />
I was reminded of the Mcgurk effect actually, which is a pretty neat thing too, for those unfamiliar with it.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2017 18:58:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2022/10/14/is-blood-ever-blue-science-teachers-want-to-know/#comment-452382&quot;&gt;Obstreperous Applesauce&lt;/a&gt;.

And that dress. Don&#039;t forget about the dress.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2022/10/14/is-blood-ever-blue-science-teachers-want-to-know/#comment-452382">Obstreperous Applesauce</a>.</p>
<p>And that dress. Don&#8217;t forget about the dress.</p>
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		By: Obstreperous Applesauce		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Obstreperous Applesauce]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2017 18:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Just for fun, search &#039;cyanotic definition&#039; (or something similar) in Google images. Reminds me of the old days when swim instructors would condition us by making us tread water until our lips (all of us) turned blue. The well insulated among us had a better time of it.

Pantone is a familiar way to go for printers&#039; spot colors. Munsell provides a more systematic and rigorous reference chart for generic science types who aren&#039;t color specialists. Of the models used by designer types for describing colors numerically; RGB (for computer) and CMYK (for pigments) are common (but not used exclusively). 

One caveat, color perception is strongly influnced by context. These dogs are colored the same:
http://brainden.com/images/yellow-blue-dogs-big.jpg]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just for fun, search &#8216;cyanotic definition&#8217; (or something similar) in Google images. Reminds me of the old days when swim instructors would condition us by making us tread water until our lips (all of us) turned blue. The well insulated among us had a better time of it.</p>
<p>Pantone is a familiar way to go for printers&#8217; spot colors. Munsell provides a more systematic and rigorous reference chart for generic science types who aren&#8217;t color specialists. Of the models used by designer types for describing colors numerically; RGB (for computer) and CMYK (for pigments) are common (but not used exclusively). </p>
<p>One caveat, color perception is strongly influnced by context. These dogs are colored the same:<br />
<a href="http://brainden.com/images/yellow-blue-dogs-big.jpg" rel="nofollow ugc">http://brainden.com/images/yellow-blue-dogs-big.jpg</a></p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2017 15:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2022/10/14/is-blood-ever-blue-science-teachers-want-to-know/#comment-452344&quot;&gt;David Formanek&lt;/a&gt;.

David, thanks for the comment. Great to have an expert on ancient colors such as yourself weigh in. 

Interesting to consider the possibility that early color terms were for the process, which produced what we see today as a range of colors, rather than the actual color.

Also, as it widely but not accurately known, different cultures have different levels of intensity of naming colors. The Efe with whom I lived had white, black red, and green. Things that were lightish of any color where white, things that were darkish of any color were black, and certain things that were red or green were called, sometimes, red or green. 

In other words, they were like me ... not color blind but somewhat color indifferent.  In a world where all things are natural (almost) color is usually not a useful attribute. Anything with a bright yellow, reddish, or orange color (meaning a warning of venom or toxin, like in a toad stool) are red to them.  That&#039;s all they need.

No Efe would ever say, &quot;you know that one plant, with darker brown bark and light yellowish red leaves with the white stripes?&quot; .... they would simply name the species.  Using color to describe their environment is roughly like a car lover using color to describe model-make of cars.  

(this might make a good blog post some day)

And yes, I know the smell of a rotten whelk.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2022/10/14/is-blood-ever-blue-science-teachers-want-to-know/#comment-452344">David Formanek</a>.</p>
<p>David, thanks for the comment. Great to have an expert on ancient colors such as yourself weigh in. </p>
<p>Interesting to consider the possibility that early color terms were for the process, which produced what we see today as a range of colors, rather than the actual color.</p>
<p>Also, as it widely but not accurately known, different cultures have different levels of intensity of naming colors. The Efe with whom I lived had white, black red, and green. Things that were lightish of any color where white, things that were darkish of any color were black, and certain things that were red or green were called, sometimes, red or green. </p>
<p>In other words, they were like me &#8230; not color blind but somewhat color indifferent.  In a world where all things are natural (almost) color is usually not a useful attribute. Anything with a bright yellow, reddish, or orange color (meaning a warning of venom or toxin, like in a toad stool) are red to them.  That&#8217;s all they need.</p>
<p>No Efe would ever say, &#8220;you know that one plant, with darker brown bark and light yellowish red leaves with the white stripes?&#8221; &#8230;. they would simply name the species.  Using color to describe their environment is roughly like a car lover using color to describe model-make of cars.  </p>
<p>(this might make a good blog post some day)</p>
<p>And yes, I know the smell of a rotten whelk.</p>
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		By: David Formanek		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2017 01:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I was curious so I asked a nurse. (I think I was in for day surgery.) She said, arterial blood is sometimes almost bright pink.
A note about purple, the &quot;royal purple&quot; distilled from an eastern Mediterranean snail, used to dye the wool of royalty and the edge of the robes of the Roman senators, _Murex sp.:_ it sometimes came out a bright red, though presumably on the crimson side. I have read that cloth died with murex purple had an awful stink. I have had a dealing with rotting whelks so it did not surprise me. It may have added to the taboo of kingship.
The word purple is often used interchangeably with violet, but it is the redder hued variety, on the magenta and fuchsia side.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was curious so I asked a nurse. (I think I was in for day surgery.) She said, arterial blood is sometimes almost bright pink.<br />
A note about purple, the &#8220;royal purple&#8221; distilled from an eastern Mediterranean snail, used to dye the wool of royalty and the edge of the robes of the Roman senators, _Murex sp.:_ it sometimes came out a bright red, though presumably on the crimson side. I have read that cloth died with murex purple had an awful stink. I have had a dealing with rotting whelks so it did not surprise me. It may have added to the taboo of kingship.<br />
The word purple is often used interchangeably with violet, but it is the redder hued variety, on the magenta and fuchsia side.</p>
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