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		By: Christopher Winter		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2022/10/12/christian-conservatives-just-dont-vote/#comment-980862</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christopher Winter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Oct 2022 17:59:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2022/10/12/christian-conservatives-just-dont-vote/#comment-980716&quot;&gt;Mike Haubrich&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks for posting the link to that NYT article. The &lt;i&gt;Washington Post&lt;/i&gt; mentioned it today, and I read the whole thing. It&#039;s great reporting, and the graphics are impressively alarming.

I am an old man with a beard.
Now I find it is worse than I feared.
370 candidates,
The NYT relates,
Are of TFG very skeered.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2022/10/12/christian-conservatives-just-dont-vote/#comment-980716">Mike Haubrich</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks for posting the link to that NYT article. The <i>Washington Post</i> mentioned it today, and I read the whole thing. It&#8217;s great reporting, and the graphics are impressively alarming.</p>
<p>I am an old man with a beard.<br />
Now I find it is worse than I feared.<br />
370 candidates,<br />
The NYT relates,<br />
Are of TFG very skeered.</p>
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		By: dean		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2022/10/12/christian-conservatives-just-dont-vote/#comment-980827</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dean]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2022 20:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2022/10/12/christian-conservatives-just-dont-vote/#comment-980811&quot;&gt;Mike Haubrich&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;blockquote&gt; We don’t want them anywhere near the actual vote counting.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well, for the ignorati who think the 2020 election was stolen, that huge number of vote were flipped after polls closed, that voting machines without the means to connect to the internet somehow &quot;called home&quot; to China and corrupted votes, the losers of the Georgia type who think the QR codes are stealing votes and are illegal any of the current qop politicians who say they would not certify an election if a republican lost -- no, we don&#039;t want them counting votes. 

Of course, if people meeting those descriptions were ruled out I doubt there would be any trump-humpers left to do counting (you certainly wouldn&#039;t be eligible) : that&#039;s how bad your party is.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2022/10/12/christian-conservatives-just-dont-vote/#comment-980811">Mike Haubrich</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p> We don’t want them anywhere near the actual vote counting.</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, for the ignorati who think the 2020 election was stolen, that huge number of vote were flipped after polls closed, that voting machines without the means to connect to the internet somehow &#8220;called home&#8221; to China and corrupted votes, the losers of the Georgia type who think the QR codes are stealing votes and are illegal any of the current qop politicians who say they would not certify an election if a republican lost &#8212; no, we don&#8217;t want them counting votes. </p>
<p>Of course, if people meeting those descriptions were ruled out I doubt there would be any trump-humpers left to do counting (you certainly wouldn&#8217;t be eligible) : that&#8217;s how bad your party is.</p>
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		By: Mike Haubrich		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2022/10/12/christian-conservatives-just-dont-vote/#comment-980821</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Haubrich]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2022 10:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Two more thoughts:

They weren&#039;t fraudulently voting since they had been registered by the state to vote, so there was no intent to defraud.

The charges haven&#039;t been pursued all along because they are trumped up, and the fraud being committed is by the state, not by the voters.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two more thoughts:</p>
<p>They weren&#8217;t fraudulently voting since they had been registered by the state to vote, so there was no intent to defraud.</p>
<p>The charges haven&#8217;t been pursued all along because they are trumped up, and the fraud being committed is by the state, not by the voters.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2022 04:19:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The practice in Florida was to fill out a voter registration card, and if you were eligible to vote, you got registered, if not, you were notified. 

The details of who could vote vs not were esoteric and hard to get good information on, so this was a good faith effort to help fix that.

But suddenly the rules changed, and following this standard practice gets you popped.

I guarantee there will be legal recourse, and there will be law suits, and the state of Florida will be paying out restitution to people who&#039;s right to vote was taken away, or who were unlawfully arrested.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The practice in Florida was to fill out a voter registration card, and if you were eligible to vote, you got registered, if not, you were notified. </p>
<p>The details of who could vote vs not were esoteric and hard to get good information on, so this was a good faith effort to help fix that.</p>
<p>But suddenly the rules changed, and following this standard practice gets you popped.</p>
<p>I guarantee there will be legal recourse, and there will be law suits, and the state of Florida will be paying out restitution to people who&#8217;s right to vote was taken away, or who were unlawfully arrested.</p>
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		By: dean		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2022/10/12/christian-conservatives-just-dont-vote/#comment-980814</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dean]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2022 00:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Jeff rickA, what party’s president courted white supremacists, neonazis, and general scum of the earth to support him, then urged them to storm the Capitol because they believed his lies about the election being stolen?

Which party is routinely working to close voting access in minority and poor areas of their cities and states? Which party has a good number of candidates for office who still push the “stolen election” bullshit and vow to have “volunteers” monitor voting sites? 

I get that you lie to defend your beliefs and the vision you have for the country (rights for women and minorities should be rolled back, etc), but it is really getting old to hear the same completely unsupported by any semblance of fact BS from you.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff rickA, what party’s president courted white supremacists, neonazis, and general scum of the earth to support him, then urged them to storm the Capitol because they believed his lies about the election being stolen?</p>
<p>Which party is routinely working to close voting access in minority and poor areas of their cities and states? Which party has a good number of candidates for office who still push the “stolen election” bullshit and vow to have “volunteers” monitor voting sites? </p>
<p>I get that you lie to defend your beliefs and the vision you have for the country (rights for women and minorities should be rolled back, etc), but it is really getting old to hear the same completely unsupported by any semblance of fact BS from you.</p>
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		By: RickA		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2022/10/12/christian-conservatives-just-dont-vote/#comment-980813</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RickA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2022 00:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2022/10/12/christian-conservatives-just-dont-vote/#comment-980812&quot;&gt;Mike Haubrich&lt;/a&gt;.

Two thoughts.

1.  Why didn&#039;t their conviction pop up when they registered to vote?  They should fix that.  People who are not eligible to vote shouldn&#039;t blithely be able to register without cleaning that up first.
 
2.  Why have these charges not being pursued all along?  Fraudulent voting should be pursued in all cases.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2022/10/12/christian-conservatives-just-dont-vote/#comment-980812">Mike Haubrich</a>.</p>
<p>Two thoughts.</p>
<p>1.  Why didn&#8217;t their conviction pop up when they registered to vote?  They should fix that.  People who are not eligible to vote shouldn&#8217;t blithely be able to register without cleaning that up first.</p>
<p>2.  Why have these charges not being pursued all along?  Fraudulent voting should be pursued in all cases.</p>
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		By: Mike Haubrich		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2022/10/12/christian-conservatives-just-dont-vote/#comment-980812</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Haubrich]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2022 22:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s another example, and the timing of it sure looks like voter intimidation. The state agency gave them the indication that once their felonies had been served and cleared, they were able to vote.  Now, in August, they are charged with fraudulently voting.  Even though the cases will be thrown out, other people will see the arrests and even if they are eligible decide not to risk it.  DeSantis is a son-of-a-bitch who wants to be president, and it&#039;s stunts like this and the bus rides that will get him there:

&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.tampabay.com/news/florida-politics/2022/10/18/body-camera-video-police-voter-fraud-desantis-arrests/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;The cops know it&#039;s phony.&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;“That’s not an accident,” Rankin said. “That’s a political strategy.”

Public defenders representing Hart and Patterson declined to comment.

Patterson, a registered sex offender, wondered why he was being singled out when officers showed up at his home, the recording shows.

“This happened years ago,” he told officers. “Why now? Why me?”

Even the Tampa police officer driving Patterson to the jail seemed surprised by the charges against him. En route, the officer received a phone call and appeared to briefly discuss Patterson’s case.

“I’ve never seen these charges before in my entire life,” the officer said.&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s another example, and the timing of it sure looks like voter intimidation. The state agency gave them the indication that once their felonies had been served and cleared, they were able to vote.  Now, in August, they are charged with fraudulently voting.  Even though the cases will be thrown out, other people will see the arrests and even if they are eligible decide not to risk it.  DeSantis is a son-of-a-bitch who wants to be president, and it&#8217;s stunts like this and the bus rides that will get him there:</p>
<p><a href="https://www.tampabay.com/news/florida-politics/2022/10/18/body-camera-video-police-voter-fraud-desantis-arrests/" rel="nofollow ugc">The cops know it&#8217;s phony.</a></p>
<blockquote><p>“That’s not an accident,” Rankin said. “That’s a political strategy.”</p>
<p>Public defenders representing Hart and Patterson declined to comment.</p>
<p>Patterson, a registered sex offender, wondered why he was being singled out when officers showed up at his home, the recording shows.</p>
<p>“This happened years ago,” he told officers. “Why now? Why me?”</p>
<p>Even the Tampa police officer driving Patterson to the jail seemed surprised by the charges against him. En route, the officer received a phone call and appeared to briefly discuss Patterson’s case.</p>
<p>“I’ve never seen these charges before in my entire life,” the officer said.</p></blockquote>
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		By: Mike Haubrich		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2022/10/12/christian-conservatives-just-dont-vote/#comment-980811</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Haubrich]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2022 22:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well, Rick, they certainly are making a good show of &quot;defending freedom&quot; by squelching democracy wherever they can.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Rick, they certainly are making a good show of &#8220;defending freedom&#8221; by squelching democracy wherever they can.</p>
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		By: RickA		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2022/10/12/christian-conservatives-just-dont-vote/#comment-980806</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RickA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2022 16:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2022/10/12/christian-conservatives-just-dont-vote/#comment-980802&quot;&gt;Mike Haubrich&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes dean.  The trump supporting right is so dangerous they should not be allowed to volunteer as election workers.  We don&#039;t want them anywhere near the actual vote counting.  In fact they shouldn&#039;t be allowed to vote, or even speak.  Their dangerous ideas are to dangerous to even hear.  Probably to dangerous to own guns also.  Yes - I am being sarcastic.  You are a fear monger.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2022/10/12/christian-conservatives-just-dont-vote/#comment-980802">Mike Haubrich</a>.</p>
<p>Yes dean.  The trump supporting right is so dangerous they should not be allowed to volunteer as election workers.  We don&#8217;t want them anywhere near the actual vote counting.  In fact they shouldn&#8217;t be allowed to vote, or even speak.  Their dangerous ideas are to dangerous to even hear.  Probably to dangerous to own guns also.  Yes &#8211; I am being sarcastic.  You are a fear monger.</p>
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		By: dean		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2022/10/12/christian-conservatives-just-dont-vote/#comment-980805</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dean]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2022 15:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2022/10/12/christian-conservatives-just-dont-vote/#comment-980802&quot;&gt;Mike Haubrich&lt;/a&gt;.

As we now know, the trump supporting right is the single most active threat to rights and democracy in existence.]]></description>
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<p>As we now know, the trump supporting right is the single most active threat to rights and democracy in existence.</p>
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