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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2022/09/15/and-in-todays-news-2/#comment-980278</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Sep 2022 01:57:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Kash Patel will change his tune once the special master wrestles the Trump legal to the ground and makes them say uncle.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kash Patel will change his tune once the special master wrestles the Trump legal to the ground and makes them say uncle.</p>
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		By: Lionel A		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2022/09/15/and-in-todays-news-2/#comment-980245</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lionel A]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Sep 2022 11:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;When one makes a statement of fact, you need a citation.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I explained that with, &#039;Maybe when you deem to provide sensible citations for your statements of opinion to give them validity.&#039;

You appear to be unable to parse English without bias.

&#039;Whatever so why do you bother with citations from known propaganda organisations?  After all no facts to be seen in your patronising replies.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>When one makes a statement of fact, you need a citation.</p></blockquote>
<p>I explained that with, &#8216;Maybe when you deem to provide sensible citations for your statements of opinion to give them validity.&#8217;</p>
<p>You appear to be unable to parse English without bias.</p>
<p>&#8216;Whatever so why do you bother with citations from known propaganda organisations?  After all no facts to be seen in your patronising replies.</p>
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		By: RickA		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2022/09/15/and-in-todays-news-2/#comment-980197</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RickA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2022 17:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2022/09/15/and-in-todays-news-2/#comment-980195&quot;&gt;Lionel A&lt;/a&gt;.

Lionel:

When one makes a statement of fact, you need a citation.

When one states an opinion, you do not need a citation.  An opinion is just an opinion - which (as I have said) is different than a statement of fact.

Lets try a few examples - to help you out:

1.  It is currently 63 degrees F.  This is a statement of fact.  I can cite to weather.com for my zipcode to support this statement.

2.  In my opinion it is quite comfortable outside.  This is an opinion, and does not require a citation to support.  Opinions are just opinions and not statements of fact.

Hopefully that clarifies the difference between a factual assertion and an opinion.

Dean made a statement of fact, and I asked for a citation from him to support his assertion.  I look forward to seeing what I said previously that dean will cite to support his assertion that I defended the proud boys.

Once he does so - we can examine his citation and decide whether I in fact did support the proud boys - or instead if dean was wrong that I defended the proud boys.  We will see.  The ball is in dean&#039;s court.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2022/09/15/and-in-todays-news-2/#comment-980195">Lionel A</a>.</p>
<p>Lionel:</p>
<p>When one makes a statement of fact, you need a citation.</p>
<p>When one states an opinion, you do not need a citation.  An opinion is just an opinion &#8211; which (as I have said) is different than a statement of fact.</p>
<p>Lets try a few examples &#8211; to help you out:</p>
<p>1.  It is currently 63 degrees F.  This is a statement of fact.  I can cite to weather.com for my zipcode to support this statement.</p>
<p>2.  In my opinion it is quite comfortable outside.  This is an opinion, and does not require a citation to support.  Opinions are just opinions and not statements of fact.</p>
<p>Hopefully that clarifies the difference between a factual assertion and an opinion.</p>
<p>Dean made a statement of fact, and I asked for a citation from him to support his assertion.  I look forward to seeing what I said previously that dean will cite to support his assertion that I defended the proud boys.</p>
<p>Once he does so &#8211; we can examine his citation and decide whether I in fact did support the proud boys &#8211; or instead if dean was wrong that I defended the proud boys.  We will see.  The ball is in dean&#8217;s court.</p>
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		By: Lionel A		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2022/09/15/and-in-todays-news-2/#comment-980195</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lionel A]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2022 16:11:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[RickA

&lt;blockquote&gt;Cite please.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Maybe when you deem to provide sensible citations for your statements of opinion to give them validity.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RickA</p>
<blockquote><p>Cite please.</p></blockquote>
<p>Maybe when you deem to provide sensible citations for your statements of opinion to give them validity.</p>
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		By: RickA		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2022/09/15/and-in-todays-news-2/#comment-980194</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RickA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2022 15:57:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2022/09/15/and-in-todays-news-2/#comment-980190&quot;&gt;dean&lt;/a&gt;.

Cite please.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2022/09/15/and-in-todays-news-2/#comment-980190">dean</a>.</p>
<p>Cite please.</p>
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		By: dean		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2022/09/15/and-in-todays-news-2/#comment-980192</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dean]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2022 14:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2022/09/15/and-in-todays-news-2/#comment-980190&quot;&gt;dean&lt;/a&gt;.

Yeah Lionel, but we&#039;ve known how despicable he is for some time.

Just a reminder of it: here&#039;s a clip about the founder of a white supremacist/domestic terrorist group he&#039;s defended, the proud boys:

&lt;blockquote&gt;    The Proud Boys name first came to Gavin McInnes while he watched, with disgust, as a twelve-year-old boy with brown skin sank a musical number onstage at a school recital.

    &quot;This little Puerto Rican kid comes out, and he goes, ‘I’ll make you a proud boy!’ It was the gayest fucking song,&quot; he said. &quot;When I was watching I was like, this is obviously the Hispanic son of a single mom. He did high-five a grown man afterward, but couldn’t have been the real dad.&quot;

    The origins of the Proud Boys, the nation’s most notorious political fight club, can be traced to one reactionary bigot behind a microphone who hate a child he figured was a fatherless Puerto Rican. McInnes seems to embrace this characterization, though his wife is apparently appalled by it.
    &quot;She’s pissed, she’s like: ‘So your whole thing, your whole organization, is mocking a twelve-year-old gay boy?’&quot; he said. &quot;And I go: ‘That’s such a crude way to put it but yes. Yes it is. Because that little boy personifies how far gone we are.’&quot;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That&#039;s the sort of person he&#039;s chosen to align with. There&#039;s not much more to say.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2022/09/15/and-in-todays-news-2/#comment-980190">dean</a>.</p>
<p>Yeah Lionel, but we&#8217;ve known how despicable he is for some time.</p>
<p>Just a reminder of it: here&#8217;s a clip about the founder of a white supremacist/domestic terrorist group he&#8217;s defended, the proud boys:</p>
<blockquote><p>    The Proud Boys name first came to Gavin McInnes while he watched, with disgust, as a twelve-year-old boy with brown skin sank a musical number onstage at a school recital.</p>
<p>    &#8220;This little Puerto Rican kid comes out, and he goes, ‘I’ll make you a proud boy!’ It was the gayest fucking song,&#8221; he said. &#8220;When I was watching I was like, this is obviously the Hispanic son of a single mom. He did high-five a grown man afterward, but couldn’t have been the real dad.&#8221;</p>
<p>    The origins of the Proud Boys, the nation’s most notorious political fight club, can be traced to one reactionary bigot behind a microphone who hate a child he figured was a fatherless Puerto Rican. McInnes seems to embrace this characterization, though his wife is apparently appalled by it.<br />
    &#8220;She’s pissed, she’s like: ‘So your whole thing, your whole organization, is mocking a twelve-year-old gay boy?’&#8221; he said. &#8220;And I go: ‘That’s such a crude way to put it but yes. Yes it is. Because that little boy personifies how far gone we are.’&#8221;
</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s the sort of person he&#8217;s chosen to align with. There&#8217;s not much more to say.</p>
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		By: Lionel A		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2022/09/15/and-in-todays-news-2/#comment-980191</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lionel A]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2022 13:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2022/09/15/and-in-todays-news-2/#comment-980190&quot;&gt;dean&lt;/a&gt;.

Good lord indeed dean, he not only continues to dig his hole but to extend its geography.  As far as logic and critical thinking is concerned he is a lost cause.

Note Trump&#039;s pal Putin is now threatening to go nuclear.  Great stuff RickA for helping to enable such a threat to the USA, the wider world and humanity itself.  Only an ideological twisted mind could continue to be so wilfully ignorant of the truth here trying to support arguments with tripe from recognised  sources of crackpot deception.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2022/09/15/and-in-todays-news-2/#comment-980190">dean</a>.</p>
<p>Good lord indeed dean, he not only continues to dig his hole but to extend its geography.  As far as logic and critical thinking is concerned he is a lost cause.</p>
<p>Note Trump&#8217;s pal Putin is now threatening to go nuclear.  Great stuff RickA for helping to enable such a threat to the USA, the wider world and humanity itself.  Only an ideological twisted mind could continue to be so wilfully ignorant of the truth here trying to support arguments with tripe from recognised  sources of crackpot deception.</p>
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		By: dean		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2022/09/15/and-in-todays-news-2/#comment-980190</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dean]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2022 13:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Relying on breitbart and louie gohmert? rickA keeps up his reputation by citing folks who are as comfortable with lying (and bigotry, and racism) as he is. 

Good lord.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Relying on breitbart and louie gohmert? rickA keeps up his reputation by citing folks who are as comfortable with lying (and bigotry, and racism) as he is. </p>
<p>Good lord.</p>
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		By: RickA		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2022/09/15/and-in-todays-news-2/#comment-980167</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RickA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2022 03:37:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2022/09/15/and-in-todays-news-2/#comment-980161&quot;&gt;Dean&lt;/a&gt;.

See https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/05/05/documents-mar-a-lago-marked-classified-were-already-declassified-kash-patel-says/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2022/09/15/and-in-todays-news-2/#comment-980161">Dean</a>.</p>
<p>See <a href="https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/05/05/documents-mar-a-lago-marked-classified-were-already-declassified-kash-patel-says/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/05/05/documents-mar-a-lago-marked-classified-were-already-declassified-kash-patel-says/</a></p>
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		By: RickA		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2022/09/15/and-in-todays-news-2/#comment-980166</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RickA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2022 03:29:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2022/09/15/and-in-todays-news-2/#comment-980162&quot;&gt;dean&lt;/a&gt;.

See https://gohmert.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=398652

Especially this portion: &quot;Further, a May 2016 email from Strzok, obtained by Fox News earlier this year, said “we know foreign actors obtained access” to some Clinton emails, including at least one “secret” message “via compromises of the private email accounts” of Clinton staffers.&quot;

You can follow a link in the quote and read the actual email from Strzok.  So yeah - her server was totally compromised and all the emails on it were read by any number of foreign governments and other interested parties.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2022/09/15/and-in-todays-news-2/#comment-980162">dean</a>.</p>
<p>See <a href="https://gohmert.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=398652" rel="nofollow ugc">https://gohmert.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=398652</a></p>
<p>Especially this portion: &#8220;Further, a May 2016 email from Strzok, obtained by Fox News earlier this year, said “we know foreign actors obtained access” to some Clinton emails, including at least one “secret” message “via compromises of the private email accounts” of Clinton staffers.&#8221;</p>
<p>You can follow a link in the quote and read the actual email from Strzok.  So yeah &#8211; her server was totally compromised and all the emails on it were read by any number of foreign governments and other interested parties.</p>
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