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		By: Dean		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dean]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[Just in case someone might think the pure evil of modern republicans is down to exaggeration:

https://twitter.com/musclesnnursing/status/1548740495089827840?s=20&#038;t=kFf52dMqtxpGoL32tG5kBg]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just in case someone might think the pure evil of modern republicans is down to exaggeration:</p>
<p><a href="https://twitter.com/musclesnnursing/status/1548740495089827840?s=20&#038;t=kFf52dMqtxpGoL32tG5kBg" rel="nofollow ugc">https://twitter.com/musclesnnursing/status/1548740495089827840?s=20&#038;t=kFf52dMqtxpGoL32tG5kBg</a></p>
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		By: Tyvor Winn		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tyvor Winn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2022 23:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2022/07/09/is-the-us-on-the-verge-of-a-civil-war-yes-apparently/#comment-978407&quot;&gt;dean&lt;/a&gt;.

Re: dean &quot;their document didn’t include the fact that they didn’t have keys to the classroom,&quot;

According to Reuters (June 20th) &quot;The classroom door in the Uvalde elementary school where 19 children and two teachers were killed in May was not locked even as police waited for a key.&quot; Apparently, the police never tried the door.  The whole situation makes me alternately fiercely angry and chokingly tearful. And all this tragedy because of the so-called &quot;pro-life&quot; party that elects sociopathic people like Greg We-will-eliminate-rape-in-Texas Abbott and the unspeakable Donald Trump.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2022/07/09/is-the-us-on-the-verge-of-a-civil-war-yes-apparently/#comment-978407">dean</a>.</p>
<p>Re: dean &#8220;their document didn’t include the fact that they didn’t have keys to the classroom,&#8221;</p>
<p>According to Reuters (June 20th) &#8220;The classroom door in the Uvalde elementary school where 19 children and two teachers were killed in May was not locked even as police waited for a key.&#8221; Apparently, the police never tried the door.  The whole situation makes me alternately fiercely angry and chokingly tearful. And all this tragedy because of the so-called &#8220;pro-life&#8221; party that elects sociopathic people like Greg We-will-eliminate-rape-in-Texas Abbott and the unspeakable Donald Trump.</p>
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		By: dean		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dean]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jul 2022 22:16:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Right-wing propaganda from officials in Uvalde. They tried to give Texas&#039; DPS a &quot;narrative&quot; of their actions on the day of the shooting. The narrative included these gems.

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;There was zero hesitation on any of these officers&#039; part, they moved directly toward the gunfire,&quot; &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Later it referred to the Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District police force and its Uvalde Police Department officers as &lt;b&gt;heroes&lt;/b&gt;. 

It also stated that 
&lt;blockquote&gt;Uvalde police delayed in responding to the gunman — who barricaded himself in two connected classrooms — because they did not have shields and &quot;breaching the door was suicide.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The released video shows they did have shields and tactical gear. However, their document didn&#039;t include the fact that they didn&#039;t have keys to the classroom, something [Police Chief] Pete Arredondo stated was a hindering factor. 

In short, a package of lies, just what you expect from the right.  

https://www.insider.com/uvalde-officials-tried-positive-picture-of-police-response-report-narrative-2022-7?utm_source=fark&#038;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right-wing propaganda from officials in Uvalde. They tried to give Texas&#8217; DPS a &#8220;narrative&#8221; of their actions on the day of the shooting. The narrative included these gems.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;There was zero hesitation on any of these officers&#8217; part, they moved directly toward the gunfire,&#8221; </p></blockquote>
<p>Later it referred to the Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District police force and its Uvalde Police Department officers as <b>heroes</b>. </p>
<p>It also stated that </p>
<blockquote><p>Uvalde police delayed in responding to the gunman — who barricaded himself in two connected classrooms — because they did not have shields and &#8220;breaching the door was suicide.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>The released video shows they did have shields and tactical gear. However, their document didn&#8217;t include the fact that they didn&#8217;t have keys to the classroom, something [Police Chief] Pete Arredondo stated was a hindering factor. </p>
<p>In short, a package of lies, just what you expect from the right.  </p>
<p><a href="https://www.insider.com/uvalde-officials-tried-positive-picture-of-police-response-report-narrative-2022-7?utm_source=fark&#038;amp" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.insider.com/uvalde-officials-tried-positive-picture-of-police-response-report-narrative-2022-7?utm_source=fark&#038;amp</a>;</p>
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		By: mike risk		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mike risk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jul 2022 18:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2022/07/09/is-the-us-on-the-verge-of-a-civil-war-yes-apparently/#comment-978361&quot;&gt;Tyvor Winn&lt;/a&gt;.

Surely the answer, then, is to arm the children. I would suggest low-calibre weapons for primary school, because of recoil issues, but high schoolers could handle AR-style weapons.
Kindergarten would be a problem...perhaps some sort of poison-gas dispensers?

Yes, I am being silly-but this road only goes downhill.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2022/07/09/is-the-us-on-the-verge-of-a-civil-war-yes-apparently/#comment-978361">Tyvor Winn</a>.</p>
<p>Surely the answer, then, is to arm the children. I would suggest low-calibre weapons for primary school, because of recoil issues, but high schoolers could handle AR-style weapons.<br />
Kindergarten would be a problem&#8230;perhaps some sort of poison-gas dispensers?</p>
<p>Yes, I am being silly-but this road only goes downhill.</p>
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		By: Lionel A		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lionel A]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jul 2022 11:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Those of us in education who once greeted the young internet as a boon to education&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Ah! The excitement of Project Guttenberg and before Bill Gates even knew what a network was.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Those of us in education who once greeted the young internet as a boon to education</p></blockquote>
<p>Ah! The excitement of Project Guttenberg and before Bill Gates even knew what a network was.</p>
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		By: Tyvor Winn		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tyvor Winn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jul 2022 01:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2022/07/09/is-the-us-on-the-verge-of-a-civil-war-yes-apparently/#comment-978376&quot;&gt;dean&lt;/a&gt;.

Re: dean &quot;That description fits pretty much fits all of trump’s supporters [resident trump apologist included]&quot;

It can certainly be difficult to find dependable information on line amidst so many sites where lies, baseless theories, and miscellaneous b.s. are presented. Those of us in education who once greeted the young internet as a boon to education have been depressed to see that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2022/07/09/is-the-us-on-the-verge-of-a-civil-war-yes-apparently/#comment-978376">dean</a>.</p>
<p>Re: dean &#8220;That description fits pretty much fits all of trump’s supporters [resident trump apologist included]&#8221;</p>
<p>It can certainly be difficult to find dependable information on line amidst so many sites where lies, baseless theories, and miscellaneous b.s. are presented. Those of us in education who once greeted the young internet as a boon to education have been depressed to see that.</p>
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		By: dean		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dean]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jul 2022 20:44:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;In law, though, I’ve learned recently, it is different. I was a bit cheered to learn that there are legal limits. In cases of civil or criminal law, being intentionally ignorant of facts that would make you liable or implicated is called “willful blindness” and is not available legally as an excuse.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Speaking of that: two of trump&#039;s domestic terrorists recently broke down in tears in court when they were sentenced to 44 months in prison because, well, they were terrorists taking part in an attempted insurrection. They pled for leniency and wanted to return to their families and children -- thankfully, the judge said &quot;nope&quot;, that they&#039;d already received a sweet deal. 

Regarding Tyvor&#039;s comment [Mattice is the lawyer for one of the two dirtbags who were sentenced]

&lt;blockquote&gt;Mattice’s attorney said his client is “uneducated and unsophisticated,” adding that he’s often “swept up with what’s on the internet”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That description fits pretty much fits all of trump&#039;s supporters [resident trump apologist  included]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>In law, though, I’ve learned recently, it is different. I was a bit cheered to learn that there are legal limits. In cases of civil or criminal law, being intentionally ignorant of facts that would make you liable or implicated is called “willful blindness” and is not available legally as an excuse.</p></blockquote>
<p>Speaking of that: two of trump&#8217;s domestic terrorists recently broke down in tears in court when they were sentenced to 44 months in prison because, well, they were terrorists taking part in an attempted insurrection. They pled for leniency and wanted to return to their families and children &#8212; thankfully, the judge said &#8220;nope&#8221;, that they&#8217;d already received a sweet deal. </p>
<p>Regarding Tyvor&#8217;s comment [Mattice is the lawyer for one of the two dirtbags who were sentenced]</p>
<blockquote><p>Mattice’s attorney said his client is “uneducated and unsophisticated,” adding that he’s often “swept up with what’s on the internet”</p></blockquote>
<p>That description fits pretty much fits all of trump&#8217;s supporters [resident trump apologist  included]</p>
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		By: Tyvor Winn		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tyvor Winn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jul 2022 15:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Re: dean &quot;Don’t expect rickA to be swayed by facts. His entire posting career is him denying them and making up his own version of reality.&quot;

An interesting topic, that. I usually have low expectations; I&#039;ve spent some time trying to teach bio-evolution to anti-evolution creationists.  

Remember Trump&#039;s infamous remark about the riot and killing in Charlottesville, North Carolina a few years back: &quot;There are good people on both sides&quot; referring to American Nazis and such as one of the sides? There&#039;s a &quot;different version of reality.&quot;  I would not be surprised, though, to learn that individual versions of reality are considered normal by psychologists.    

In law, though, I&#039;ve learned recently, it is different. I was a bit cheered to learn that there are legal limits. In cases of civil or criminal law, being intentionally ignorant of facts that would make you liable or implicated is called  &quot;willful blindness&quot; and is not available legally as an excuse. (This may come up if ex-POTUS Trump  finds himself in court fighting criminal charges related to his attempts to hang on to power. I such a case, I am expecting believable threats of civil war. )]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: dean &#8220;Don’t expect rickA to be swayed by facts. His entire posting career is him denying them and making up his own version of reality.&#8221;</p>
<p>An interesting topic, that. I usually have low expectations; I&#8217;ve spent some time trying to teach bio-evolution to anti-evolution creationists.  </p>
<p>Remember Trump&#8217;s infamous remark about the riot and killing in Charlottesville, North Carolina a few years back: &#8220;There are good people on both sides&#8221; referring to American Nazis and such as one of the sides? There&#8217;s a &#8220;different version of reality.&#8221;  I would not be surprised, though, to learn that individual versions of reality are considered normal by psychologists.    </p>
<p>In law, though, I&#8217;ve learned recently, it is different. I was a bit cheered to learn that there are legal limits. In cases of civil or criminal law, being intentionally ignorant of facts that would make you liable or implicated is called  &#8220;willful blindness&#8221; and is not available legally as an excuse. (This may come up if ex-POTUS Trump  finds himself in court fighting criminal charges related to his attempts to hang on to power. I such a case, I am expecting believable threats of civil war. )</p>
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		By: Lionel A		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lionel A]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jul 2022 12:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2022/07/09/is-the-us-on-the-verge-of-a-civil-war-yes-apparently/#comment-978364&quot;&gt;Tyvor Winn&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;blockquote&gt;The unusual coordination of several separate right wing groups on and about the January 6th 2021 insurrection was an ominous sign to agencies that have to deal with domestic terrorism.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It s almost as if the methods of the Taliban have been studied and employed but with that extra enabling element of the dark web and its like.

Laws were broken, it seems lawyers are OK with that as long as it is those of their ideology who are doing so.

The big worry is that there must be numerous groups of well armed civilians instilled with hatred of any but of their own kind, littered all across the more rural US and propelled by blowhards such as Alex Jones (did you know his second Christian name is Emerick) of Infowars.

Definitely echoes of Friekorps and Brownshirts, not to mention the widespread wearing of coal scuttle helmets and use of Nazi swastika. This version being the anti-clockwise symbol representing night and the god Kali.  Swanstika coming from the Sanskrit Svastika. The clockwise rotating version being associated with good fortune.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2022/07/09/is-the-us-on-the-verge-of-a-civil-war-yes-apparently/#comment-978364">Tyvor Winn</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>The unusual coordination of several separate right wing groups on and about the January 6th 2021 insurrection was an ominous sign to agencies that have to deal with domestic terrorism.</p></blockquote>
<p>It s almost as if the methods of the Taliban have been studied and employed but with that extra enabling element of the dark web and its like.</p>
<p>Laws were broken, it seems lawyers are OK with that as long as it is those of their ideology who are doing so.</p>
<p>The big worry is that there must be numerous groups of well armed civilians instilled with hatred of any but of their own kind, littered all across the more rural US and propelled by blowhards such as Alex Jones (did you know his second Christian name is Emerick) of Infowars.</p>
<p>Definitely echoes of Friekorps and Brownshirts, not to mention the widespread wearing of coal scuttle helmets and use of Nazi swastika. This version being the anti-clockwise symbol representing night and the god Kali.  Swanstika coming from the Sanskrit Svastika. The clockwise rotating version being associated with good fortune.</p>
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		By: Tyvor Winn		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tyvor Winn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jul 2022 00:03:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Re: RickA &quot;None of the people legally carrying weapons at the rally tried to bring them into Congress. Not a very effective insurrection if you don’t bring your guns with you into the halls of power.  . . .&quot;

Thanks to inadequate preparation by the police, preparation and clever military tactics by the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers, a fifth columnist in the Pentagon, and Trump&#039;s complete inaction for several hours during the insurrection,*  the Capitol was breached rather easily without military weapons being needed although insurrectionists armed with guns were seen by police. Combat soon became mostly close-up, where guns are not as useful. Weapons that were used can be seen in many videos and included spear-pointed flag poles and  bear spray. Thanks to effective removal to safety of Mike Pence and members and staff of the House and Senate, no weapons were needed to execute anyone not in Trump&#039;s ranks of idolators. 

* An insurrection is by definition &quot;a rising up against authority,&quot; in this case the lawful authority being the Constitution and the police defending it. An uprising does not need to be successful to be an insurrection. This one was deliberately planned and instigated over months and was part of a multi-pronged attempt to overturn the election of Joe Biden and came close to achieving the first  forced delay in the transfer of power in the history of the U. S. A. and is  almost certainly a warning of things to come. The unusual coordination of several separate right wing groups on and about the January 6th 2021 insurrection was an ominous  sign to agencies that have to deal with domestic terrorism.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: RickA &#8220;None of the people legally carrying weapons at the rally tried to bring them into Congress. Not a very effective insurrection if you don’t bring your guns with you into the halls of power.  . . .&#8221;</p>
<p>Thanks to inadequate preparation by the police, preparation and clever military tactics by the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers, a fifth columnist in the Pentagon, and Trump&#8217;s complete inaction for several hours during the insurrection,*  the Capitol was breached rather easily without military weapons being needed although insurrectionists armed with guns were seen by police. Combat soon became mostly close-up, where guns are not as useful. Weapons that were used can be seen in many videos and included spear-pointed flag poles and  bear spray. Thanks to effective removal to safety of Mike Pence and members and staff of the House and Senate, no weapons were needed to execute anyone not in Trump&#8217;s ranks of idolators. </p>
<p>* An insurrection is by definition &#8220;a rising up against authority,&#8221; in this case the lawful authority being the Constitution and the police defending it. An uprising does not need to be successful to be an insurrection. This one was deliberately planned and instigated over months and was part of a multi-pronged attempt to overturn the election of Joe Biden and came close to achieving the first  forced delay in the transfer of power in the history of the U. S. A. and is  almost certainly a warning of things to come. The unusual coordination of several separate right wing groups on and about the January 6th 2021 insurrection was an ominous  sign to agencies that have to deal with domestic terrorism.</p>
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