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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Apr 2022 23:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2022/04/08/why-human-brains-vary-2/#comment-971892&quot;&gt;Edgar Carpenter&lt;/a&gt;.

Most of the time the manipulation was pretty intentional.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2022/04/08/why-human-brains-vary-2/#comment-971892">Edgar Carpenter</a>.</p>
<p>Most of the time the manipulation was pretty intentional.</p>
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		By: ppnl		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Apr 2022 08:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[God I hate how these questions get cast as an absolute ontological question with an absolute binary answer. 

Consider the question &#039;Is Pluto a planet?&#039; for example. The first thing to note is that there is no disagreement over any observable fact of the world here. The only thing in question is how to deploy language to talk about those facts of the world. The definitions we choose should depend on utility rather than some Platonist vision of truth.  In that sense even planets are social constructs that depend on how we want to deploy language. Despite that there is a real pattern of fact out there that we are trying to capture with words.

Any definition of race is going to run into many problems that greatly reduce its utility. It also carries a great deal of baggage that isn&#039;t helpful and make it more problematic than a bad definition of planet. So I fully support dropping the idea of race as useful but phrasing it as a question about ontological absolutes really triggers my anti-Platonism gene.  

So yeah, I&#039;m really just talking about language usage here as well.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God I hate how these questions get cast as an absolute ontological question with an absolute binary answer. </p>
<p>Consider the question &#8216;Is Pluto a planet?&#8217; for example. The first thing to note is that there is no disagreement over any observable fact of the world here. The only thing in question is how to deploy language to talk about those facts of the world. The definitions we choose should depend on utility rather than some Platonist vision of truth.  In that sense even planets are social constructs that depend on how we want to deploy language. Despite that there is a real pattern of fact out there that we are trying to capture with words.</p>
<p>Any definition of race is going to run into many problems that greatly reduce its utility. It also carries a great deal of baggage that isn&#8217;t helpful and make it more problematic than a bad definition of planet. So I fully support dropping the idea of race as useful but phrasing it as a question about ontological absolutes really triggers my anti-Platonism gene.  </p>
<p>So yeah, I&#8217;m really just talking about language usage here as well.</p>
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		By: Edgar Carpenter		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Apr 2022 00:35:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Stephen Jay Gould, in &quot;The Mismeasure of Man&quot;, discusses (among many other interesting things) how brain size measurements for different &quot;races&quot; have been manipulated (consciously or not) to ensure that white men had the biggest recorded brains.   It&#039;s an excellent book, marred only by Gould&#039;s frequent use of irony - which doesn&#039;t work very well in print.  

And, of course, since Gould&#039;s time, modern genetics has finished debunking the last slim possibility that races might be real things.   It turns out that they&#039;re no more useful, biologically, than dividing people up by the length of their armpit hair or the width of their knees.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen Jay Gould, in &#8220;The Mismeasure of Man&#8221;, discusses (among many other interesting things) how brain size measurements for different &#8220;races&#8221; have been manipulated (consciously or not) to ensure that white men had the biggest recorded brains.   It&#8217;s an excellent book, marred only by Gould&#8217;s frequent use of irony &#8211; which doesn&#8217;t work very well in print.  </p>
<p>And, of course, since Gould&#8217;s time, modern genetics has finished debunking the last slim possibility that races might be real things.   It turns out that they&#8217;re no more useful, biologically, than dividing people up by the length of their armpit hair or the width of their knees.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2017 16:33:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2022/04/08/why-human-brains-vary-2/#comment-552693&quot;&gt;OBAJE Godwin Sunday&lt;/a&gt;.

Actually, there is pretty good evidence that decouples brain volume/mass from intelligence in humans.  The available data are not particularly suggestive of any kind of reliable relationship. 

But, most people don&#039;t go to that conclusion right away. They stick with the bigger brain = smarter individual until they discover that they are not a member of a population with the largest brains!

Your alternative comparison thought experiment is very good.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2022/04/08/why-human-brains-vary-2/#comment-552693">OBAJE Godwin Sunday</a>.</p>
<p>Actually, there is pretty good evidence that decouples brain volume/mass from intelligence in humans.  The available data are not particularly suggestive of any kind of reliable relationship. </p>
<p>But, most people don&#8217;t go to that conclusion right away. They stick with the bigger brain = smarter individual until they discover that they are not a member of a population with the largest brains!</p>
<p>Your alternative comparison thought experiment is very good.</p>
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		By: OBAJE Godwin Sunday		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[OBAJE Godwin Sunday]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2017 12:27:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[No, not in the sense that a larger brain causes greater intelligence. 

There is no sufficient evidence to suggest a person born with a larger brain is smarter than a person born with a smaller brain. Nor is there sufficient evidence to show that a larger brain means more neurons. In fact, there is plenty of evidence that suggests both of those assumptions are wrong (I will post a couple links in the next paragraph). 

Before going into the science, first think about how absurd it would be to claim that a larger brain causes more kindness, humor, shyness, hearing, better long term memory, or tasting ability. Then imagine some plausible explanations as to why someone would like to believe that a bigger brain causes more intelligence.

I]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, not in the sense that a larger brain causes greater intelligence. </p>
<p>There is no sufficient evidence to suggest a person born with a larger brain is smarter than a person born with a smaller brain. Nor is there sufficient evidence to show that a larger brain means more neurons. In fact, there is plenty of evidence that suggests both of those assumptions are wrong (I will post a couple links in the next paragraph). </p>
<p>Before going into the science, first think about how absurd it would be to claim that a larger brain causes more kindness, humor, shyness, hearing, better long term memory, or tasting ability. Then imagine some plausible explanations as to why someone would like to believe that a bigger brain causes more intelligence.</p>
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		By: Erec Stebbins		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Erec Stebbins]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2012 13:17:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Brain size is linked to body size.  Whales have huge brains compared to humans as an absolute measurement, but in the size to brain ratio, we are higher.  The more mass overall, the more neural mass required to regulate, overall, and likely the more real-eastate that the brain needs to devote.  But, of course, that is not close to the whole story for intelligence (which we really understand little about, actually).  Ants and birds kick our backside on the ratio, but we SEEM to outperform them on intelligence (at least whatever we recognize as intelligent, which has a bit of a recursion problem).  So there is likely some &quot;gross mass&quot; threshold for complexity, and the wiring, type of wiring, chemical transmitters, brain organization, etc likely are all part of the equation.  Many of which are strongly developmentally influenced, as this article argues.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brain size is linked to body size.  Whales have huge brains compared to humans as an absolute measurement, but in the size to brain ratio, we are higher.  The more mass overall, the more neural mass required to regulate, overall, and likely the more real-eastate that the brain needs to devote.  But, of course, that is not close to the whole story for intelligence (which we really understand little about, actually).  Ants and birds kick our backside on the ratio, but we SEEM to outperform them on intelligence (at least whatever we recognize as intelligent, which has a bit of a recursion problem).  So there is likely some &#8220;gross mass&#8221; threshold for complexity, and the wiring, type of wiring, chemical transmitters, brain organization, etc likely are all part of the equation.  Many of which are strongly developmentally influenced, as this article argues.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 15:52:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yeah, but women are smarter than men: http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2009/06/07/women-are-smarter-than-men-wel/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, but women are smarter than men: <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2009/06/07/women-are-smarter-than-men-wel/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2009/06/07/women-are-smarter-than-men-wel/</a></p>
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		By: bob		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 12:29:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Remindes me, Greg, have you taken a lookat this neurological Edu-Game:

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/592325]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remindes me, Greg, have you taken a lookat this neurological Edu-Game:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/592325" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/592325</a></p>
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		By: sailor		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2012 23:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I would imagine women on average, bring smaller, have smaller size brains. That is probably a bigger average difference than you would get associated with such things as skin color or eye slant. They are certainly no less intelligent. Which makes me wonder why men could not have smaller brains, at least down to woman-sized]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would imagine women on average, bring smaller, have smaller size brains. That is probably a bigger average difference than you would get associated with such things as skin color or eye slant. They are certainly no less intelligent. Which makes me wonder why men could not have smaller brains, at least down to woman-sized</p>
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