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		By: Lionel A		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Oct 2021 21:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry about the double post.  I was having trouble with a link and as I was sorting it my wife started talking to and the clock nearly ran down so I deleted and started over.  Then having manage to get the link working I was interrupted again and forgot to provide name etc.</p>
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		By: Lionel A		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Oct 2021 15:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2021/09/29/spiritual-and-physical-terror/#comment-943136&quot;&gt;Michael Haubrich&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;blockquote&gt;how the assassination of Franz Ferdinand forced Germany to be the leading aggressor in the War when they were supposedly joining to support their weaker ally...&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Austria used the assassination of Franz Ferdinand  as an excuse and with the forcing of the hawkish Franz Conrad von Hötzendorf to invade Serbia who they claimed was behind the assassination.

Russia being an ally of Serbia mobilised which in turn caused Germany to mobilise fearing an incursion on their border.  This in turn caused France to mobilise, France still smarting over the loss of Alsace and Lorraine  at the end of the Franco-Prussian War.

This action ensured that Germany would dust off and use the Schlieffen Plan during an invasion of France via Belgium.  Britain had an agreement to come to the aid of Belgium in the event of a German incursion. Eventually Italy, Turkey, Bulgaria and Romania became involved on one side or the other with Japan lending naval support to the British.

There was a slew of good books written on the centenary of the outbreak of that conflict.

However there are some older books which should be sought out including:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Long-Fuse-Interpretation-Origins-World/dp/0881339547

There are more recent books that question the official account and which use the writings of Professor Carroll Quigley, &#039;The Anglo-American Establishment&#039; and &#039;Tragedy &#038; Hope: A History of the World in Our Time&#039;  to provide context and the names and associations of those involved in devious doings.

These two should be looked at, indeed the website is worth a visit for :

&lt;a href=&quot;https://firstworldwarhiddenhistory.wordpress.com/about-the-authors/gerry-docherty/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;&#039;Hidden Histories&#039; and the follow up &#039;Prolonging the Agony&#039;&lt;/a&gt;

On a similar theme but shorter is:

&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.amazon.com/Lord-Milners-Second-War-Rhodes-Milner/dp/1481940325/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&#038;keywords=Lord+Milner%27s+Second+War%3A&#038;qid=1633188374&#038;sr=8-1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;Lord Milner&#039;s Second War: The Rhodes-Milner Secret Society; The Origin of World War I&lt;/a&gt;

Milner&#039;s first war was of course the second Boer War.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2021/09/29/spiritual-and-physical-terror/#comment-943136">Michael Haubrich</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>how the assassination of Franz Ferdinand forced Germany to be the leading aggressor in the War when they were supposedly joining to support their weaker ally&#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>Austria used the assassination of Franz Ferdinand  as an excuse and with the forcing of the hawkish Franz Conrad von Hötzendorf to invade Serbia who they claimed was behind the assassination.</p>
<p>Russia being an ally of Serbia mobilised which in turn caused Germany to mobilise fearing an incursion on their border.  This in turn caused France to mobilise, France still smarting over the loss of Alsace and Lorraine  at the end of the Franco-Prussian War.</p>
<p>This action ensured that Germany would dust off and use the Schlieffen Plan during an invasion of France via Belgium.  Britain had an agreement to come to the aid of Belgium in the event of a German incursion. Eventually Italy, Turkey, Bulgaria and Romania became involved on one side or the other with Japan lending naval support to the British.</p>
<p>There was a slew of good books written on the centenary of the outbreak of that conflict.</p>
<p>However there are some older books which should be sought out including:</p>
<p><a href="https://www.amazon.co.uk/Long-Fuse-Interpretation-Origins-World/dp/0881339547" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.amazon.co.uk/Long-Fuse-Interpretation-Origins-World/dp/0881339547</a></p>
<p>There are more recent books that question the official account and which use the writings of Professor Carroll Quigley, &#8216;The Anglo-American Establishment&#8217; and &#8216;Tragedy &amp; Hope: A History of the World in Our Time&#8217;  to provide context and the names and associations of those involved in devious doings.</p>
<p>These two should be looked at, indeed the website is worth a visit for :</p>
<p><a href="https://firstworldwarhiddenhistory.wordpress.com/about-the-authors/gerry-docherty/" rel="nofollow ugc">&#8216;Hidden Histories&#8217; and the follow up &#8216;Prolonging the Agony&#8217;</a></p>
<p>On a similar theme but shorter is:</p>
<p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Lord-Milners-Second-War-Rhodes-Milner/dp/1481940325/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&amp;keywords=Lord+Milner%27s+Second+War%3A&amp;qid=1633188374&amp;sr=8-1" rel="nofollow ugc">Lord Milner&#8217;s Second War: The Rhodes-Milner Secret Society; The Origin of World War I</a></p>
<p>Milner&#8217;s first war was of course the second Boer War.</p>
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		By: Anonymous		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Oct 2021 15:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2021/09/29/spiritual-and-physical-terror/#comment-943136&quot;&gt;Michael Haubrich&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;blockquote&gt;how the assassination of Franz Ferdinand forced Germany to be the leading aggressor in the War when they were supposedly joining to support their weaker ally...&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Austria used the assassination of Franz Ferdinand  as an excuse and with the forcing of the hawkish Franz Conrad von Hötzendorf to invade Serbia who they claimed was behind the assassination.

Russia being an ally of Serbia mobilised which in turn caused Germany to mobilise fearing an incursion on their border.  This in turn caused France to mobilise, France still smarting over the loss of Alsace and Lorraine  at the end of the Franco-Prussian War.

This action ensured that Germany would dust off and use the Schlieffen Plan during an invasion of France via Belgium.  Britain had an agreement to come to the aid of Belgium in the event of a German incursion. Eventually Italy, Turkey, Bulgaria and Romania became involved on one side or the other with Japan lending naval support to the British.

There was a slew of good books written on the centenary of the outbreak of that conflict.

However there are some older books which should be sought out including:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Long-Fuse-Interpretation-Origins-World/dp/0881339547

There are more recent books that question the official account and which use the writings of Professor Carroll Quigley, &#039;The Anglo-American Establishment&#039; and &#039;Tragedy &#038; Hope: A History of the World in Our Time&#039;  to provide context and the names and associations of those involved in devious doings.

These two should be looked at, indeed the website is worth a visit for :

&lt;a href=&quot;https://firstworldwarhiddenhistory.wordpress.com/about-the-authors/gerry-docherty/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;&#039;Hidden Histories&#039; and the follow up &#039;Prolonging the Agony&#039;&lt;/a&gt;

On a similar theme but shorter is:

&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.amazon.com/Lord-Milners-Second-War-Rhodes-Milner/dp/1481940325/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&#038;keywords=Lord+Milner%27s+Second+War%3A&#038;qid=1633188374&#038;sr=8-1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;Lord Milner&#039;s Second War: The Rhodes-Milner Secret Society; The Origin of World War I&lt;/a&gt;

Milner&#039;s first war was of course the second Boer War.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2021/09/29/spiritual-and-physical-terror/#comment-943136">Michael Haubrich</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>how the assassination of Franz Ferdinand forced Germany to be the leading aggressor in the War when they were supposedly joining to support their weaker ally&#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>Austria used the assassination of Franz Ferdinand  as an excuse and with the forcing of the hawkish Franz Conrad von Hötzendorf to invade Serbia who they claimed was behind the assassination.</p>
<p>Russia being an ally of Serbia mobilised which in turn caused Germany to mobilise fearing an incursion on their border.  This in turn caused France to mobilise, France still smarting over the loss of Alsace and Lorraine  at the end of the Franco-Prussian War.</p>
<p>This action ensured that Germany would dust off and use the Schlieffen Plan during an invasion of France via Belgium.  Britain had an agreement to come to the aid of Belgium in the event of a German incursion. Eventually Italy, Turkey, Bulgaria and Romania became involved on one side or the other with Japan lending naval support to the British.</p>
<p>There was a slew of good books written on the centenary of the outbreak of that conflict.</p>
<p>However there are some older books which should be sought out including:</p>
<p><a href="https://www.amazon.co.uk/Long-Fuse-Interpretation-Origins-World/dp/0881339547" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.amazon.co.uk/Long-Fuse-Interpretation-Origins-World/dp/0881339547</a></p>
<p>There are more recent books that question the official account and which use the writings of Professor Carroll Quigley, &#8216;The Anglo-American Establishment&#8217; and &#8216;Tragedy &amp; Hope: A History of the World in Our Time&#8217;  to provide context and the names and associations of those involved in devious doings.</p>
<p>These two should be looked at, indeed the website is worth a visit for :</p>
<p><a href="https://firstworldwarhiddenhistory.wordpress.com/about-the-authors/gerry-docherty/" rel="nofollow ugc">&#8216;Hidden Histories&#8217; and the follow up &#8216;Prolonging the Agony&#8217;</a></p>
<p>On a similar theme but shorter is:</p>
<p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Lord-Milners-Second-War-Rhodes-Milner/dp/1481940325/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&amp;keywords=Lord+Milner%27s+Second+War%3A&amp;qid=1633188374&amp;sr=8-1" rel="nofollow ugc">Lord Milner&#8217;s Second War: The Rhodes-Milner Secret Society; The Origin of World War I</a></p>
<p>Milner&#8217;s first war was of course the second Boer War.</p>
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		By: Tyvor Winn		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2021/09/29/spiritual-and-physical-terror/#comment-943503</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Oct 2021 18:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Re: &quot;. . . You could have more trust in the forces side fighting for democracy that way.&quot;

I think there is something in that. Certainly there are more than a few military veterans in the right wing militias etc. While some, even most, people who join the military or police forces may join from patriotic motives and/or what could be called a drive to be socially useful citizens, there are others who have darker motives. We have seen the results on display in cases of unnecessary police shootings, chokings,  and other physical assaults  and brutality that make the news.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: &#8220;. . . You could have more trust in the forces side fighting for democracy that way.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think there is something in that. Certainly there are more than a few military veterans in the right wing militias etc. While some, even most, people who join the military or police forces may join from patriotic motives and/or what could be called a drive to be socially useful citizens, there are others who have darker motives. We have seen the results on display in cases of unnecessary police shootings, chokings,  and other physical assaults  and brutality that make the news.</p>
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		By: dean		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Oct 2021 13:21:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2021/09/29/spiritual-and-physical-terror/#comment-943424&quot;&gt;Doug&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;blockquote&gt;The number of soldiers and cops leaving their jobs over vaccine requirements at the moment gives me pause&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Those numbers are minuscule.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2021/09/29/spiritual-and-physical-terror/#comment-943424">Doug</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>The number of soldiers and cops leaving their jobs over vaccine requirements at the moment gives me pause</p></blockquote>
<p>Those numbers are minuscule.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Oct 2021 13:20:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2021/09/29/spiritual-and-physical-terror/#comment-943252&quot;&gt;Michael Haubrich&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;More people on the left understand, and respect, guns and the damage they can do, than the RW loonies give credit for.&quot;

To be honest, the modern RW loonies (loony seems to be the majority now) really don&#039;t understand much of anything that requires rational, logical thought.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2021/09/29/spiritual-and-physical-terror/#comment-943252">Michael Haubrich</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;More people on the left understand, and respect, guns and the damage they can do, than the RW loonies give credit for.&#8221;</p>
<p>To be honest, the modern RW loonies (loony seems to be the majority now) really don&#8217;t understand much of anything that requires rational, logical thought.</p>
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		By: Doug		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Oct 2021 08:09:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;The number of soldiers and cops leaving their jobs over vaccine requirements at the moment gives me pause; that’s an extra axe to grind and would help drive some of those types to seek out militias to join for some sort of event should it take place.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It could also be a good thing Dave. If it came to a civil war type situation they would not be there pretending, Sinema style, to be on your side while stabbing you in the back. You could have more trust in the forces side fighting for democracy that way.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The number of soldiers and cops leaving their jobs over vaccine requirements at the moment gives me pause; that’s an extra axe to grind and would help drive some of those types to seek out militias to join for some sort of event should it take place.</p></blockquote>
<p>It could also be a good thing Dave. If it came to a civil war type situation they would not be there pretending, Sinema style, to be on your side while stabbing you in the back. You could have more trust in the forces side fighting for democracy that way.</p>
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		By: Michael Haubrich		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Haubrich]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Sep 2021 14:20:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[When I was in Phoenix, I was down shielding high school students holding a Die-In at the offices of the State Senate, House, and governor&#039;s office.  I got drawn into some &lt;i&gt;conversations&lt;/i&gt; with the Patriots Movement, AZ.  They&#039;re the people who confronted a Native American and demanded to see his green card.  Real whackos.  They were the ones the green shirt  guy (he of the meme) was laughing at in Tuscon. All of them were surprised that I know how to shoot, since they live under the stereotype that liberals are all afraid of and &quot;hate&quot; guns.  

Note:  Nothing pushes my buttons more than someone telling me what I love and what I hate.  

More people on the left understand, and respect, guns and the damage they can do, than the RW loonies give credit for.  It would be a bad surprise for them to think they can just mow us down in a civil war.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was in Phoenix, I was down shielding high school students holding a Die-In at the offices of the State Senate, House, and governor&#8217;s office.  I got drawn into some <i>conversations</i> with the Patriots Movement, AZ.  They&#8217;re the people who confronted a Native American and demanded to see his green card.  Real whackos.  They were the ones the green shirt  guy (he of the meme) was laughing at in Tuscon. All of them were surprised that I know how to shoot, since they live under the stereotype that liberals are all afraid of and &#8220;hate&#8221; guns.  </p>
<p>Note:  Nothing pushes my buttons more than someone telling me what I love and what I hate.  </p>
<p>More people on the left understand, and respect, guns and the damage they can do, than the RW loonies give credit for.  It would be a bad surprise for them to think they can just mow us down in a civil war.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Sep 2021 11:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2021/09/29/spiritual-and-physical-terror/#comment-943188&quot;&gt;Tyvor Winn&lt;/a&gt;.

Civil War would be a disaster of course.
There are several armed groups on the left who train, it&#039;s not clear who is better prepared, my guess is not the left but I believe their ranks would grow quickly.

A &quot;revolution&quot; from the right is likely to be resoundingly unpopular and it&#039;s not clear it would have overwhelming support from the military in fact at this time at least, quite the opposite. Let&#039;s hope we can keep it that way.

The number of soldiers and cops leaving their jobs over vaccine requirements at the moment gives me pause; that&#039;s an extra axe to grind and would help drive some of those types to seek out militias to join for some sort of event should it take place.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2021/09/29/spiritual-and-physical-terror/#comment-943188">Tyvor Winn</a>.</p>
<p>Civil War would be a disaster of course.<br />
There are several armed groups on the left who train, it&#8217;s not clear who is better prepared, my guess is not the left but I believe their ranks would grow quickly.</p>
<p>A &#8220;revolution&#8221; from the right is likely to be resoundingly unpopular and it&#8217;s not clear it would have overwhelming support from the military in fact at this time at least, quite the opposite. Let&#8217;s hope we can keep it that way.</p>
<p>The number of soldiers and cops leaving their jobs over vaccine requirements at the moment gives me pause; that&#8217;s an extra axe to grind and would help drive some of those types to seek out militias to join for some sort of event should it take place.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tyvor Winn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Sep 2021 01:23:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Re: &quot;You should arm yourselves. That is what the 2nd amendment is for.&quot;

Really? I thought it might be a result of some sort of sexual hangup.

Some of the numerous formerly marginalized groups now ramora on Trump have armed themselves and have been living for and dreaming about a violent revolution for years now. They would probably be happy to have some other group to trade bullets with to start their revolution, preferably one not used to armed combat. 

Do you think a violent revolution in the U. S. would be a good thing for most people in the country or would it just set the stage for a real tyranny  imposed by a leader or group who survived to retain power and fend off any counterrevolution? Such has been the general rule in the world so far.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: &#8220;You should arm yourselves. That is what the 2nd amendment is for.&#8221;</p>
<p>Really? I thought it might be a result of some sort of sexual hangup.</p>
<p>Some of the numerous formerly marginalized groups now ramora on Trump have armed themselves and have been living for and dreaming about a violent revolution for years now. They would probably be happy to have some other group to trade bullets with to start their revolution, preferably one not used to armed combat. </p>
<p>Do you think a violent revolution in the U. S. would be a good thing for most people in the country or would it just set the stage for a real tyranny  imposed by a leader or group who survived to retain power and fend off any counterrevolution? Such has been the general rule in the world so far.</p>
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