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		By: dean		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dean]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2021 16:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2021/02/16/what-is-treason-exactly-and-has-it-been-committed-by-anyone-you-know-recently/#comment-921900&quot;&gt;dean&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;blockquote&gt;We underwent some sort of awful transition when that kind of statement was mainstream, instead of the kind of thing that would slip out now and then.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Blowback from saying the silent part out loud in public is no longer a concern for them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2021/02/16/what-is-treason-exactly-and-has-it-been-committed-by-anyone-you-know-recently/#comment-921900">dean</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>We underwent some sort of awful transition when that kind of statement was mainstream, instead of the kind of thing that would slip out now and then.</p></blockquote>
<p>Blowback from saying the silent part out loud in public is no longer a concern for them.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2021 15:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2021/02/16/what-is-treason-exactly-and-has-it-been-committed-by-anyone-you-know-recently/#comment-921900&quot;&gt;dean&lt;/a&gt;.

We underwent some sort of awful transition when that kind of statement was mainstream, instead of the kind of thing that would slip out now and then.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2021/02/16/what-is-treason-exactly-and-has-it-been-committed-by-anyone-you-know-recently/#comment-921900">dean</a>.</p>
<p>We underwent some sort of awful transition when that kind of statement was mainstream, instead of the kind of thing that would slip out now and then.</p>
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		By: dean		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dean]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2021 19:18:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Not exactly treason but: in the Supreme court the RNC lawyer stated that restricting access to voting was in the interest of the RNC because voting access &quot;puts us at a competitive disadvantage. Politics is a zero sum game.&quot;

Amazing how all of the verified attempts and support at and of voting irregularities and meddling come from the right. 

https://twitter.com/DemocracyDocket/status/1366809384647589890]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not exactly treason but: in the Supreme court the RNC lawyer stated that restricting access to voting was in the interest of the RNC because voting access &#8220;puts us at a competitive disadvantage. Politics is a zero sum game.&#8221;</p>
<p>Amazing how all of the verified attempts and support at and of voting irregularities and meddling come from the right. </p>
<p><a href="https://twitter.com/DemocracyDocket/status/1366809384647589890" rel="nofollow ugc">https://twitter.com/DemocracyDocket/status/1366809384647589890</a></p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2021 00:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2021/02/16/what-is-treason-exactly-and-has-it-been-committed-by-anyone-you-know-recently/#comment-921370&quot;&gt;Tyvor Winn&lt;/a&gt;.

There is no doll booth separating civilization and McCormick&#039;s road.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2021/02/16/what-is-treason-exactly-and-has-it-been-committed-by-anyone-you-know-recently/#comment-921370">Tyvor Winn</a>.</p>
<p>There is no doll booth separating civilization and McCormick&#8217;s road.</p>
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		By: Tyvor Winn		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tyvor Winn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2021 00:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As we saw during the recent infestation of the White House by a Malignant Moron, all the supposed legal protections that we the people are supposed to have turned out to be inoperable if the MM and his enablers decided to ignore them. It is therefore not particularly surprising to me that &quot;treason&quot; as a civilian offense is FUBAR. Thanks for making that clear. (I&#039;ll pass on the book.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As we saw during the recent infestation of the White House by a Malignant Moron, all the supposed legal protections that we the people are supposed to have turned out to be inoperable if the MM and his enablers decided to ignore them. It is therefore not particularly surprising to me that &#8220;treason&#8221; as a civilian offense is FUBAR. Thanks for making that clear. (I&#8217;ll pass on the book.)</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2021 23:50:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2021/02/16/what-is-treason-exactly-and-has-it-been-committed-by-anyone-you-know-recently/#comment-920543&quot;&gt;Roger Lambert&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes, he did. But I&#039;m afraid the two or three Internet references (the one you found and a couple of others) gloss the really interesting assets of this, that are addressed in the book.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2021/02/16/what-is-treason-exactly-and-has-it-been-committed-by-anyone-you-know-recently/#comment-920543">Roger Lambert</a>.</p>
<p>Yes, he did. But I&#8217;m afraid the two or three Internet references (the one you found and a couple of others) gloss the really interesting assets of this, that are addressed in the book.</p>
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		By: Roger Lambert		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roger Lambert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2021 20:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Looks to me like sedition is exactly what Trump did:

From https://www.findlaw.com/criminal/criminal-charges/sedition.html

&quot;Seditious Conspiracy and Federal Law: The Basics
The federal law against seditious conspiracy can be found in Title 18 of the U.S. Code (which includes treason, rebellion, and similar offenses), specifically 18 U.S.C. § 2384. According to the statutory definition of sedition, it is a crime for two or more people within the jurisdiction of the United States:

* To conspire to overthrow or destroy by force the government of the United States or to level war against them;

* To oppose by force the authority of the United States government; to prevent, hinder, or delay by force the execution of any law of the United States; or

* To take, seize, or possess by force any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks to me like sedition is exactly what Trump did:</p>
<p>From <a href="https://www.findlaw.com/criminal/criminal-charges/sedition.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.findlaw.com/criminal/criminal-charges/sedition.html</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Seditious Conspiracy and Federal Law: The Basics<br />
The federal law against seditious conspiracy can be found in Title 18 of the U.S. Code (which includes treason, rebellion, and similar offenses), specifically 18 U.S.C. § 2384. According to the statutory definition of sedition, it is a crime for two or more people within the jurisdiction of the United States:</p>
<p>* To conspire to overthrow or destroy by force the government of the United States or to level war against them;</p>
<p>* To oppose by force the authority of the United States government; to prevent, hinder, or delay by force the execution of any law of the United States; or</p>
<p>* To take, seize, or possess by force any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2021 19:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2021/02/16/what-is-treason-exactly-and-has-it-been-committed-by-anyone-you-know-recently/#comment-920054&quot;&gt;dean&lt;/a&gt;.

The author suggests that one reason the Nixon administration did not move against Jane Fonda (and this is at the bottom of a long list of reasons, not nearly the main reason, but still...) was because on Oct 22, 1968, &quot;Nixon had ordered an aide to try to sabotage President Johnsn&#039;s peace initiiative...&quot;etc. etc. 

This is what makes this a great book. There is a lot of parallel and related historical detail and nuance.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2021/02/16/what-is-treason-exactly-and-has-it-been-committed-by-anyone-you-know-recently/#comment-920054">dean</a>.</p>
<p>The author suggests that one reason the Nixon administration did not move against Jane Fonda (and this is at the bottom of a long list of reasons, not nearly the main reason, but still&#8230;) was because on Oct 22, 1968, &#8220;Nixon had ordered an aide to try to sabotage President Johnsn&#8217;s peace initiiative&#8230;&#8221;etc. etc. </p>
<p>This is what makes this a great book. There is a lot of parallel and related historical detail and nuance.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dean]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2021 17:56:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;The point is, if someone adhered to (helped) the Hanoi government during the US period of involvement in the Viet Nam war, that act would be considered aiding a country at war with us, because everybody understand that a war is a war even if Congress has not declared it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Since we now have proof that Nixon&#039;s people convinced the North Vietnamese officials to step away from the peace talks prior to the 68 election (because Nixon would give them a better deal), would that qualify as treason by Nixon? 

We also know LBJ had been informed of the interference and chose not to go public with that information prior to the election. Would he be guilty of treason?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The point is, if someone adhered to (helped) the Hanoi government during the US period of involvement in the Viet Nam war, that act would be considered aiding a country at war with us, because everybody understand that a war is a war even if Congress has not declared it.</p></blockquote>
<p>Since we now have proof that Nixon&#8217;s people convinced the North Vietnamese officials to step away from the peace talks prior to the 68 election (because Nixon would give them a better deal), would that qualify as treason by Nixon? </p>
<p>We also know LBJ had been informed of the interference and chose not to go public with that information prior to the election. Would he be guilty of treason?</p>
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