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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2020 18:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is just plain fun to watch: 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/perdue-ossoff-face-georgia-senate-debate-attack-goes-viral-n1245238]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is just plain fun to watch: </p>
<p><a href="https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/perdue-ossoff-face-georgia-senate-debate-attack-goes-viral-n1245238" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/perdue-ossoff-face-georgia-senate-debate-attack-goes-viral-n1245238</a></p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2020 15:48:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2020/10/25/the-us-senate-races-as-they-stand-now/#comment-903213&quot;&gt;Keith Latham&lt;/a&gt;.

My comments refer specifically and only to polls that existed at the time that I mae the comments, when the sequence of number was:

+11 +11 +7 +2 -3

See how they are all going down?  

Here is the key point: When we look at the numbers over all for any given race we see that they look good, but at the end, there is usually, almost always, a regression to a closer number. 

If the regression is insufficient, the long time leader wins. If the regression is sufficient, the long time leader loses.  This happened in five states in the electoral race in 2016, and 538 missed that, for example. 

I am pointing out that regression, using the same polls you cite, but not the last couple. 

The last four polls have the race within the margin of error.  That the race was not in the margin of error a couple of weeks ago would not matter at all in a normal election year.  AZ had a &quot;surge&quot; in early voting when it started a few weeks ago, and AZ is very impressed with itself, but I think the numbers are still a small proportion (you can research that and get back, I may be wrong).

Hopefully Kelly maintains his lead.  But the only poll that counts is the one they count.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2020/10/25/the-us-senate-races-as-they-stand-now/#comment-903213">Keith Latham</a>.</p>
<p>My comments refer specifically and only to polls that existed at the time that I mae the comments, when the sequence of number was:</p>
<p>+11 +11 +7 +2 -3</p>
<p>See how they are all going down?  </p>
<p>Here is the key point: When we look at the numbers over all for any given race we see that they look good, but at the end, there is usually, almost always, a regression to a closer number. </p>
<p>If the regression is insufficient, the long time leader wins. If the regression is sufficient, the long time leader loses.  This happened in five states in the electoral race in 2016, and 538 missed that, for example. </p>
<p>I am pointing out that regression, using the same polls you cite, but not the last couple. </p>
<p>The last four polls have the race within the margin of error.  That the race was not in the margin of error a couple of weeks ago would not matter at all in a normal election year.  AZ had a &#8220;surge&#8221; in early voting when it started a few weeks ago, and AZ is very impressed with itself, but I think the numbers are still a small proportion (you can research that and get back, I may be wrong).</p>
<p>Hopefully Kelly maintains his lead.  But the only poll that counts is the one they count.</p>
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		By: Keith Latham		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Keith Latham]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2020 07:37:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What poll are you using? 538&#039;s average shows Kelly over McSally by 6 to 7 points for ever and right up to their most recent info. There are two poorly rated polls that show it close, but the others are all Kelly. Their models show 77 to 23 for Kelly. I think Kelly will win easily and that bodes well for Biden in Arizona because I really don&#039;t think there are very  many Trump voters in the Kelly camp.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What poll are you using? 538&#8217;s average shows Kelly over McSally by 6 to 7 points for ever and right up to their most recent info. There are two poorly rated polls that show it close, but the others are all Kelly. Their models show 77 to 23 for Kelly. I think Kelly will win easily and that bodes well for Biden in Arizona because I really don&#8217;t think there are very  many Trump voters in the Kelly camp.</p>
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		By: dean		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dean]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2020 01:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2020/10/25/the-us-senate-races-as-they-stand-now/#comment-902866&quot;&gt;Christopher Winter&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;However, I see the Senate winding up with (I’ll be bold) a five-seat Democrat majority&quot;

I wish I were that optimistic. Due to widespread republican efforts to take away access to voting in districts where &quot;those people&quot; live and the general stupidity of many in the population (so they vote against their own best interest), I&#039;d be amazed if the senate changed much at all.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2020/10/25/the-us-senate-races-as-they-stand-now/#comment-902866">Christopher Winter</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;However, I see the Senate winding up with (I’ll be bold) a five-seat Democrat majority&#8221;</p>
<p>I wish I were that optimistic. Due to widespread republican efforts to take away access to voting in districts where &#8220;those people&#8221; live and the general stupidity of many in the population (so they vote against their own best interest), I&#8217;d be amazed if the senate changed much at all.</p>
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		By: Christopher Winter		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christopher Winter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2020 23:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[With 20 candidates running in Georgia&#039;s special election, it&#039;s virtually certain no one will win a majority &#8212; so, as you say, there will be a runoff.

However, I see the Senate winding up with (I&#039;ll be bold) a five-seat Democrat majority.

The &lt;i&gt;Cook Political Report&lt;/i&gt; says the three most vulnerable Republicans are Cory Gardner in Colorado, Martha McSally in Arizona. The next tier is Susan Collins in Maine, Tom Tillis in North Carolina, and Joni Ernst in Iowa.

It goes on to say that six, seven and eight on the GOP vulnerability list are the two races in Georgia and the Montana race.

It rates the Kansas contest as a tossup, but sees Texas, Kentucky, and Alaska remaining in Republican hands.

https://cookpolitical.com/analysis/national/national-politics/suddenly-nearly-anything-possible-senate-races

So it seems likely the GOP will lose its Senate majority.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With 20 candidates running in Georgia&#8217;s special election, it&#8217;s virtually certain no one will win a majority &mdash; so, as you say, there will be a runoff.</p>
<p>However, I see the Senate winding up with (I&#8217;ll be bold) a five-seat Democrat majority.</p>
<p>The <i>Cook Political Report</i> says the three most vulnerable Republicans are Cory Gardner in Colorado, Martha McSally in Arizona. The next tier is Susan Collins in Maine, Tom Tillis in North Carolina, and Joni Ernst in Iowa.</p>
<p>It goes on to say that six, seven and eight on the GOP vulnerability list are the two races in Georgia and the Montana race.</p>
<p>It rates the Kansas contest as a tossup, but sees Texas, Kentucky, and Alaska remaining in Republican hands.</p>
<p><a href="https://cookpolitical.com/analysis/national/national-politics/suddenly-nearly-anything-possible-senate-races" rel="nofollow ugc">https://cookpolitical.com/analysis/national/national-politics/suddenly-nearly-anything-possible-senate-races</a></p>
<p>So it seems likely the GOP will lose its Senate majority.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2020 01:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2020/10/25/the-us-senate-races-as-they-stand-now/#comment-902728&quot;&gt;Christopher Winter&lt;/a&gt;.

Well, obviously, all the other races will leave the Senate with an even split if Trump wins, or an even split minus 1 if Biden winds, then, this race will go to ther unoff with Warnock and  Loeffler, then the entire future of humanity will depend on the outcome of the Georgia special senate race in early January.  

What else could possibly  happen?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2020/10/25/the-us-senate-races-as-they-stand-now/#comment-902728">Christopher Winter</a>.</p>
<p>Well, obviously, all the other races will leave the Senate with an even split if Trump wins, or an even split minus 1 if Biden winds, then, this race will go to ther unoff with Warnock and  Loeffler, then the entire future of humanity will depend on the outcome of the Georgia special senate race in early January.  </p>
<p>What else could possibly  happen?</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2020 01:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2020/10/25/the-us-senate-races-as-they-stand-now/#comment-902722&quot;&gt;Doug alder&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2020/10/25/the-us-senate-races-as-they-stand-now/#comment-902722">Doug alder</a>.</p>
<p>Yes!</p>
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		By: Christopher Winter		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christopher Winter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2020 22:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[From what I hear on Facebook and in emails, this &quot;last-minute Republican mojo&quot; you mention is due to a late surge of outside money. I&#039;ve made a few donations, but I doubt it will make a difference. We do what we can.

I generally agree with your conclusions. I&#039;m hopeful for South Carolina, however -- and for Kansas, where I think Barbara Bollier might pull it out.

What do you expect for the &lt;i&gt;other&lt;/i&gt; Georgia race, with Rev. Raphael Warnock vs. Kelly Loeffler?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From what I hear on Facebook and in emails, this &#8220;last-minute Republican mojo&#8221; you mention is due to a late surge of outside money. I&#8217;ve made a few donations, but I doubt it will make a difference. We do what we can.</p>
<p>I generally agree with your conclusions. I&#8217;m hopeful for South Carolina, however &#8212; and for Kansas, where I think Barbara Bollier might pull it out.</p>
<p>What do you expect for the <i>other</i> Georgia race, with Rev. Raphael Warnock vs. Kelly Loeffler?</p>
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		By: Doug alder		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Doug alder]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2020 21:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;This is coming down to how annoyed people might be with &lt;b&gt;Greenfield&lt;/b&gt; for not cleaning out the swamp&lt;/blockquote&gt; Shouldn&#039;t that be Joni Ernst?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>This is coming down to how annoyed people might be with <b>Greenfield</b> for not cleaning out the swamp</p></blockquote>
<p> Shouldn&#8217;t that be Joni Ernst?</p>
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