Comments on: The argument for a police officer killing a citizen

By: MikeN

MikeN — Sat, 20 Jun 2020 18:08:15 +0000

In reply to MikeN. Thanks Joe. I've read your long replies earlier(usually sign of trolls to skip, but yours were quite informative).

By: Joseph M.

Joseph M. — Sat, 20 Jun 2020 02:16:29 +0000

In reply to MikeN.

Hi Mike,

“I’m interested in getting Joseph’s take on this”

OK, you’ve laid down the gauntlet and although I’ve commented at considerable length on this earlier, I will pick it up; It might take me a few days, though, and there will no doubt be intervening replies – so please monitor this page and I’ll do my very best to respond.

Cheers,
Joe

By: MikeN

MikeN — Fri, 19 Jun 2020 21:18:23 +0000

“According to the Prosecutor’s Charging Document”….. enough said.

While I’m OK with not believing prosecutor’s statements, considering the prosecutors are trying to place Floyd in prison, this is a statement against their interest.

By: Jeffh

Jeffh — Fri, 19 Jun 2020 19:10:36 +0000

I just watched the video again. It is sickening. Civilians beg Chauvin to get off of Floyd’s neck but Chauvin clearly enjoys it, looking down at Floyd with contempt several times. It is clear that Floyd isn’t responding 6 minutes after Chauvin puts his knee on his neck – civilians are shouting this at Chauvin, but he ignores them. By then Floyd is already dead.

Chauvin had at least 12 official complaints against him for excessive violence before he murdered Floyd. The two men had a history, and the knee was Chauvin’s act of getting even. The Minneapolis Police Force has a terrible reputation. It is clearly time to clean house. Chauvin will never wear a badge again, which is a relief. However, if a jury acquits him, there will be repercussions across the United States. Racist, right wing morons like RickA and MikeN appear to defend police violence, but no amount of gaslighting can hide the ugly truth.

By: dean

dean — Fri, 19 Jun 2020 18:50:32 +0000

In reply to Jeffh.

Very interesting. I can certainly see how some of these facts could be used to defend the four officers, and especially Chauvin. It will be interesting to see all the body cam footage once it is released.

Rather disgusting how you hard core racists twist facts in the hope of getting killers off.

By: RickA

RickA — Fri, 19 Jun 2020 18:08:04 +0000

In reply to MikeN. MikeN: Very interesting. I can certainly see how some of these facts could be used to defend the four officers, and especially Chauvin. It will be interesting to see all the body cam footage once it is released.

By: Jeffh

Jeffh — Fri, 19 Jun 2020 16:45:49 +0000

Abominable article, cheered on by a racist mob of caucasians. The question that needs to be answered is: would George Floyd have died that day if Derek Chauvin had not restrained him with his knee on Floyd’s neck for 9 minutes? Or is Floyd’s death and Chauvin’s knee just a remarkable coincidence? The answer is obvious. This is like saying that police who roughly restrain a suspect who then dies of a heart attack are innocent because the victim had a bad heart condition. Where do you draw the line?

Again, risible article. The writer tries – and fails miserably – to explain away remarkable coincidences of African-Americans dying while being restrained by policemen.

Chauvin is guilty of negligent homicide at the very least. He should go to prison for awhile. Correct decision.

By: MikeN

MikeN — Thu, 18 Jun 2020 22:48:10 +0000

Appears the followup post is still in moderation. Here’s a different link which links to the document in question.
I’m interested in getting Joseph’s take on this:

https://medium.com/@gavrilodavid/why-derek-chauvin-may-get-off-his-murder-charge-2e2ad8d0911

By: Jeffh

Jeffh — Thu, 18 Jun 2020 20:07:24 +0000

Floyd was murdered by Chauvin. You can try to excuse a racist, bigoted policeman with a history of violence all you like, MikeN, but the video and photographic evidence speaks for itself. Floyd became physically unresponsive 6 minutes after Chauvin applied his knee to his neck. He stopped breathing, but Chauvin’s knee remained on Floyd’s neck for another three minutes. The four policemen did nothing. Civilians there shouted that Chauvin was killing him and their pleas were ignored. Floyd pleaded with Chauvin with the now famous words, “I can’t breathe”. To no avail. The policemen ignored him.

The only reason you try to excuse a clear case of negligent homicide MikeN is because you are a right wing bigot yourself. Most of the civilized world can see with their own two eyes the institutionalized racism in the United States that is especially visible among many police forces. As has been pointed out numerous times, the political right are gaslighting in an attempt to hide the ugly truth. Vile right wing groups are exploiting the Floyd murder for their own nefarious ends. It seems that the neofascists are about the only ones left denying what the rest of us can see.

One of the most ironic things that is hard to understand is why people like you and RickA – average Joe’s – support a political Party and system that is literally shafting you. You both remind me of a frustrated denier who, when simple facts are presented to them, goes into a tantrum and tries to shout down their opponent. You both believe the opposite of everything is true.

By: Jeffh

Jeffh — Thu, 18 Jun 2020 13:56:23 +0000

“According to the Prosecutor’s Charging Document”….. enough said.

So while three policemen stood around twiddling their thumbs, it was left to one rogue, racist, bigoted policeman, Chauvin, to restrain Floyd. The other three were there to ensure that none of the other people witnessing this murder intervened. Several are crying out that Floyd was being suffocated, as Floyd himself pleaded with Chauvin with the now famous words, “I can’t breathe”. All to no avail.

If Floyd was in a delirium state, and certainly none of the existing videos of the initial interactions with police hint at that even remotely, then why was it left to Chauvin to place his full weight on Floyd’s neck while his three incompetent colleagues did diddly squat? Lewis was thrashing around with four policemen trying to restrain him. With Floyd, Chauvin’s three useless colleagues were too busy trying to prevent the public from intervening.

Your nauseating, right wing screeds cannot hide the truth. Chauvin did not just have him on his stomach. He had his full weight via his knee on Floyd’s neck. Anyone with half a brain can see that. Chauvin was leaning forward where his full body mass was channeled through his knee. He can try all he likes to claim he was following the book but anyone who sees the photos or videos will ask, “What book”?

This is negligent homicide by a police officer with a sordid history. He should have been booted out of the force years ago. Clearly police forces around the U.S. need to clean house and cleanse them of the detritus that has accumulated among many of their officers.