https://hotair.com/archives/john-s-2/2020/08/31/portland-shooting-suspect-100-antifa-way/

BBD, shutdowns were implemented to prevent hospitals from being overwhelmed, avoiding deaths from lack of treatment capacity. That has been avoided. Saying we must stay shutdown to eradicate the virus is not reasonable.

As dean says, you don’t understand this. Lockdown has postponed the overwhelming of hospitals but they will be overwhelmed by a second wave of infection triggered by a premature lifting of restrictions. We’ll look at the numbers in a moment.

The point of lockdown – other than the reactive protection of hospital capacity – is to allow the virus to burn out in the population. That is why just a few weeks more would have made a massive difference.

I think the unannounced government policy at this point is to reach herd immunity by opening up slowly.

‘Herd immunity’ is something epidemiologists normally discuss in the context of a vaccine. Not in the face of a novel virus pandemic.

Look at the deaths and chaos in the US so far.

Do the arithmetic:

US population = 328m

1% of US population = 3.28m

CV cases reported in US to date = 2.1m

Assume under-reporting means this is only 10% of actual US cases so the real total = 21m infections

Percent of US population infected = 21 000 000 / 3 280 000 = 6.4

So about *6.4%* of US population infected so far

At least **93%** still to go.

This claptrap about ‘herd immunity’ is innumerate and dangerous nonsense.

Re: MikeN “. . . the hypocrisy I point out is not on the part of the protesters, who have every right to calculate their risk level, but on the government that passes these guidelines and enforces them on people.”

1) It is not just individual’s personal risk that needs to be considered in the case of a transmissible virus. It is the risk to other people. I’ve already stated why I think protestors and Trump supporters are different in this respect.

People who are out of work also want to be — and I say have a right to be — safe when they go back to work (or school for that matter). and they don’t want to be infecting their families when they come home. (Broad surveys support my view here and so does the opinion of my family members who are out of work or school at this time.) They certainly don’t want to be sacrificed on the alter of “economics” or “herd immunity” developed from sickness or death rather than a vaccine.

2) There are other ways, including governmental ways,* to deal with our economic problems and tide people over during this pandemic. Trump and Senate Republicans have so far refused to use them fully but they are available.
For example, the parts of the Federal government under Republican control have done essentially nothing to make workplaces (or schools) safer, if necessary by law. Instead, the Trump administration made its Covid-19 guidelines weak, vague, and optional for the meatpacking industry. The result is that in many cases all or nearly all workers are or have been infected, infection has spread into the (usually) small towns housing the plants and, worse, farther away. This, of course, caused the limited health care facilities in the immediate vicinity of the plants to be rapidly overstressed. Some corporations promised then reneged on their promise to test all their employees and, without enforcement, nothing could or was done about it.

* I’m sure you can think of and/or look up some other of these ways.

3) It is a simple fact that all human societies enforce their laws and regulations. People are by nature social beings, not each a law unto him/herself. The relevant questions for people in democracies (or quasi-democracies like the U. S.) is: Are these laws and regulations necessary for the maintenance of the society, reasonable, fair, and subject to popular support.

Vallejo police officers have killed 19 people since 2010, one of the highest rates in the state. The officer who shot Monterrosa, Detective Jarrett Tonn, has been involved in four shootings in five years. He’s one of 14 Vallejo policemen whom residents and activists call the “Fatal 14” – officers who have repeatedly shot and killed citizens and never faced consequences.

Source.

Your excuse for these trigger happy tools is ………. MikeN?

” People wanting to go to bar and restaurants have the ethical point of giving money to the employees there vs having them laid off. ”

God what an ass. People who whine that they want to go out and get a drink or get a haircut don’t give a rat’s ass about the people who do the work.

Thanks again for showing you have absolutely no understanding of the actions over the virus, and no concern at all that you are ignorant.

Why are you right wingers so effing stupid? How did you fail education so completely?

It’ll be interested to see how many are wearing masks at this. Though if it’s outdoors, I wouldn’t bother.

People who are out of work have an ethical point of wanting things reopened. People wanting to go to bar and restaurants have the ethical point of giving money to the employees there vs having them laid off.

However, the hypocrisy I point out is not on the part of the protesters, who have every right to calculate their risk level, but on the government that passes these guidelines and enforces them on people.

I think the unannounced government policy at this point is to reach herd immunity by opening up slowly.

I would suggest trying to get as many healthy kids infected before school starts. Let college students back in dorms three weeks early.