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		By: dean		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2020/01/10/e-jean-carroll-vs-donal-trump-he-said-she-said/#comment-839634</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dean]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jan 2020 18:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2020/01/10/e-jean-carroll-vs-donal-trump-he-said-she-said/#comment-836496&quot;&gt;MikeN&lt;/a&gt;.

mikeN, try reading for context. If you can&#039;t (or won&#039;t) figure out what she was saying, nobody can help (or explain) it to you. 

Cooper &quot;panicked&quot; (I don&#039;t agree with that word but...) possibly because

- he&#039;s more concerned about quick appearances and dishonest takeaways (like yours) than long discussions
- the people running the show were more concerned about quick appearances and dishonest takeaways (like yours) than long discussions

Which of those, or something else, we&#039;ll never know.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2020/01/10/e-jean-carroll-vs-donal-trump-he-said-she-said/#comment-836496">MikeN</a>.</p>
<p>mikeN, try reading for context. If you can&#8217;t (or won&#8217;t) figure out what she was saying, nobody can help (or explain) it to you. </p>
<p>Cooper &#8220;panicked&#8221; (I don&#8217;t agree with that word but&#8230;) possibly because</p>
<p>&#8211; he&#8217;s more concerned about quick appearances and dishonest takeaways (like yours) than long discussions<br />
&#8211; the people running the show were more concerned about quick appearances and dishonest takeaways (like yours) than long discussions</p>
<p>Which of those, or something else, we&#8217;ll never know.</p>
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		By: MikeN		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MikeN]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jan 2020 17:58:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2020/01/10/e-jean-carroll-vs-donal-trump-he-said-she-said/#comment-836496&quot;&gt;MikeN&lt;/a&gt;.

From your quote, Jean said that most people find rape sexy.
Is your point that women aren&#039;t people?  

If there was nothing wrong with it, why did Anderson panic?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2020/01/10/e-jean-carroll-vs-donal-trump-he-said-she-said/#comment-836496">MikeN</a>.</p>
<p>From your quote, Jean said that most people find rape sexy.<br />
Is your point that women aren&#8217;t people?  </p>
<p>If there was nothing wrong with it, why did Anderson panic?</p>
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		By: BBD		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2020/01/10/e-jean-carroll-vs-donal-trump-he-said-she-said/#comment-837650</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BBD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jan 2020 13:57:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2020/01/10/e-jean-carroll-vs-donal-trump-he-said-she-said/#comment-837435&quot;&gt;Tyvor Winn&lt;/a&gt;.

We haven&#039;t got any guns. We&#039;ll just have to eat the bastards raw.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2020/01/10/e-jean-carroll-vs-donal-trump-he-said-she-said/#comment-837435">Tyvor Winn</a>.</p>
<p>We haven&#8217;t got any guns. We&#8217;ll just have to eat the bastards raw.</p>
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		By: Tyvor Winn		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tyvor Winn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jan 2020 20:24:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;We are completely and utterly fucked.&quot;

I fear that in both our countries, the right-wing trend towards eliminating all checks on their power once they are in power will eventually lead to armed revolution.  If you can&#039;t vote the rascals out and the courts can adjudicate the rascals out, what else is left other than acceptance of tyranny?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We are completely and utterly fucked.&#8221;</p>
<p>I fear that in both our countries, the right-wing trend towards eliminating all checks on their power once they are in power will eventually lead to armed revolution.  If you can&#8217;t vote the rascals out and the courts can adjudicate the rascals out, what else is left other than acceptance of tyranny?</p>
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		By: BBD		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2020/01/10/e-jean-carroll-vs-donal-trump-he-said-she-said/#comment-837394</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BBD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jan 2020 16:54:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2020/01/10/e-jean-carroll-vs-donal-trump-he-said-she-said/#comment-837378&quot;&gt;dean&lt;/a&gt;.

And the GOP Senate will still wipe its collective arse on the Constitution and acquit. 

The right has learned that it can get away with anything once in power. Same problem here - now the liars who brought us Brexit are in charge with a large majority, they are gearing up to neuter the courts and Parliament so that no further impediments will be placed in their way. Ever again. 

We are completely and utterly fucked.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2020/01/10/e-jean-carroll-vs-donal-trump-he-said-she-said/#comment-837378">dean</a>.</p>
<p>And the GOP Senate will still wipe its collective arse on the Constitution and acquit. </p>
<p>The right has learned that it can get away with anything once in power. Same problem here &#8211; now the liars who brought us Brexit are in charge with a large majority, they are gearing up to neuter the courts and Parliament so that no further impediments will be placed in their way. Ever again. </p>
<p>We are completely and utterly fucked.</p>
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		By: dean		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2020/01/10/e-jean-carroll-vs-donal-trump-he-said-she-said/#comment-837378</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dean]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jan 2020 15:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well well well.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/16/white-house-violated-the-law-by-freezing-ukraine-aid-gao-says-099682]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well well well.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/16/white-house-violated-the-law-by-freezing-ukraine-aid-gao-says-099682" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/16/white-house-violated-the-law-by-freezing-ukraine-aid-gao-says-099682</a></p>
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		By: BBD		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2020/01/10/e-jean-carroll-vs-donal-trump-he-said-she-said/#comment-837351</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BBD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jan 2020 13:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2020/01/10/e-jean-carroll-vs-donal-trump-he-said-she-said/#comment-836666&quot;&gt;Tyvor Winn&lt;/a&gt;.

And they don&#039;t care. Not one little bit. Truth simply doesn&#039;t matter to them any more. Only staying in power. 

This is terrifying.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2020/01/10/e-jean-carroll-vs-donal-trump-he-said-she-said/#comment-836666">Tyvor Winn</a>.</p>
<p>And they don&#8217;t care. Not one little bit. Truth simply doesn&#8217;t matter to them any more. Only staying in power. </p>
<p>This is terrifying.</p>
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		By: Tyvor Winn		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tyvor Winn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jan 2020 17:18:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;It is still astounding how easily it is to show right-wing comments to be blatant lies.&quot;

Is there anything in right-wing ideology (including the modern Republican Party iteration of conservatism) that isn&#039;t contrary to fact?  It seems to me its &quot;turtles all the way down&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It is still astounding how easily it is to show right-wing comments to be blatant lies.&#8221;</p>
<p>Is there anything in right-wing ideology (including the modern Republican Party iteration of conservatism) that isn&#8217;t contrary to fact?  It seems to me its &#8220;turtles all the way down&#8221;.</p>
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		By: dean		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2020/01/10/e-jean-carroll-vs-donal-trump-he-said-she-said/#comment-836628</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dean]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jan 2020 14:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2020/01/10/e-jean-carroll-vs-donal-trump-he-said-she-said/#comment-836496&quot;&gt;MikeN&lt;/a&gt;.

No mikeN. She was describing the incident with the sexual assaulter in chief as a fight, not a rape as usually envisioned. I get that what you repeated is the line the right-wing folks repeat, but as usual it&#039;s distorted and presented dishonestly. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;
 Cooper has become fairly proficient at debriefing accusers, but he squirmed through this one. The spectacle of a women in 2019 with a rape story that she wouldn’t call rape was confusing.
“I was not thrown on the ground and ravaged,” Carroll told him. “The word rape carries so many sexual connotations. This was not sexual. It just hurt.” When Cooper replied that rape is a violent assault, Carroll replied: ”&lt;b&gt;I think most people think of rape as being sexy&lt;/b&gt;. They think of the fantasies.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It is still astounding how easily it is to show right-wing comments to be blatant lies.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2020/01/10/e-jean-carroll-vs-donal-trump-he-said-she-said/#comment-836496">MikeN</a>.</p>
<p>No mikeN. She was describing the incident with the sexual assaulter in chief as a fight, not a rape as usually envisioned. I get that what you repeated is the line the right-wing folks repeat, but as usual it&#8217;s distorted and presented dishonestly. </p>
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 Cooper has become fairly proficient at debriefing accusers, but he squirmed through this one. The spectacle of a women in 2019 with a rape story that she wouldn’t call rape was confusing.<br />
“I was not thrown on the ground and ravaged,” Carroll told him. “The word rape carries so many sexual connotations. This was not sexual. It just hurt.” When Cooper replied that rape is a violent assault, Carroll replied: ”<b>I think most people think of rape as being sexy</b>. They think of the fantasies.”</p></blockquote>
<p>It is still astounding how easily it is to show right-wing comments to be blatant lies.</p>
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		By: MikeN		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MikeN]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jan 2020 03:57:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[She was on Anderson Cooper, and he went to commercial and cut off the interview after she said women find rape sexy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She was on Anderson Cooper, and he went to commercial and cut off the interview after she said women find rape sexy.</p>
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