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		By: Tyvor Winn		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tyvor Winn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jul 2019 18:27:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2019/07/15/beak-of-the-finch-cheep-er-cheap/#comment-783723&quot;&gt;appaling&lt;/a&gt;.

It is enough that the Galapagos finches provide another bit of evidence for bioevolution. It is not necessary that they weren&#039;t a major factor influencing Darwin himself.  And the more recent study described in the book provides specific quantitative evidence for the operation of natural selection. (Creationists make the usual lame responses: (1) They are still finches. (2) The trend reverses when conditions change.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2019/07/15/beak-of-the-finch-cheep-er-cheap/#comment-783723">appaling</a>.</p>
<p>It is enough that the Galapagos finches provide another bit of evidence for bioevolution. It is not necessary that they weren&#8217;t a major factor influencing Darwin himself.  And the more recent study described in the book provides specific quantitative evidence for the operation of natural selection. (Creationists make the usual lame responses: (1) They are still finches. (2) The trend reverses when conditions change.)</p>
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		By: appaling		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[appaling]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jul 2019 07:51:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[To tell the truth, I did notice the careful wording (which influenced my neutral response). :-)

In any case, the subject was a modern book where the evolution of the finches really was the subject, but I took the opportunity counter some myths.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To tell the truth, I did notice the careful wording (which influenced my neutral response). 🙂</p>
<p>In any case, the subject was a modern book where the evolution of the finches really was the subject, but I took the opportunity counter some myths.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jul 2019 21:00:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2019/07/15/beak-of-the-finch-cheep-er-cheap/#comment-783517&quot;&gt;appaling&lt;/a&gt;.

Indeed, and notice also that neither of those claims were made, and that was very intentional.  I&#039;ve written about this previously. The birds (mockingbirds and finches) on the Galapagos did contribute, about as much as the Rheas as well as various animals on the Falklands, and fossils, and much of that was observed prior to arriving at the Galapagos.

His thinking about evolution clearly has roots during his voyage, but  his most explicit evolution, as it were, of the evolution ideas may have been in mid to late 1837, the year after his voyage. By 1838 he was well under way in formulating his multiple theories about evolution.  I would not count that as &quot;long after&quot; but it was certainly after.  He was still probably more interested in, and thinking about, geological questions prior to that. 

But, as I noted above, I think his thinking was developing coeval with observations he was making before entering the Pacific.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2019/07/15/beak-of-the-finch-cheep-er-cheap/#comment-783517">appaling</a>.</p>
<p>Indeed, and notice also that neither of those claims were made, and that was very intentional.  I&#8217;ve written about this previously. The birds (mockingbirds and finches) on the Galapagos did contribute, about as much as the Rheas as well as various animals on the Falklands, and fossils, and much of that was observed prior to arriving at the Galapagos.</p>
<p>His thinking about evolution clearly has roots during his voyage, but  his most explicit evolution, as it were, of the evolution ideas may have been in mid to late 1837, the year after his voyage. By 1838 he was well under way in formulating his multiple theories about evolution.  I would not count that as &#8220;long after&#8221; but it was certainly after.  He was still probably more interested in, and thinking about, geological questions prior to that. </p>
<p>But, as I noted above, I think his thinking was developing coeval with observations he was making before entering the Pacific.</p>
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		By: appaling		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jul 2019 20:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Although Darwin did study the finches on Galapagos, they do not seem to have been instrumental in his development of evolution theory. Neither did he have an Eureka moment on Galapagos, these are all semi-modern myths. His theory did (probably) not develop until long after he was back in England.

See for example http://darwin-online.org.uk/content/frameset?itemID=A932&#038;viewtype=text&#038;pageseq=1 (other in-depth articles can also be found)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although Darwin did study the finches on Galapagos, they do not seem to have been instrumental in his development of evolution theory. Neither did he have an Eureka moment on Galapagos, these are all semi-modern myths. His theory did (probably) not develop until long after he was back in England.</p>
<p>See for example <a href="http://darwin-online.org.uk/content/frameset?itemID=A932&#038;viewtype=text&#038;pageseq=1" rel="nofollow ugc">http://darwin-online.org.uk/content/frameset?itemID=A932&#038;viewtype=text&#038;pageseq=1</a> (other in-depth articles can also be found)</p>
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		By: Tyvor Winn		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2019/07/15/beak-of-the-finch-cheep-er-cheap/#comment-782829</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tyvor Winn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jul 2019 21:18:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the tip. I just bought &quot;Beak of the Finch&quot; on kindle. My library is beginning to push me out of my house so I&#039;m picking up kindle books that I already have as hard copy when they are at such low prices.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the tip. I just bought &#8220;Beak of the Finch&#8221; on kindle. My library is beginning to push me out of my house so I&#8217;m picking up kindle books that I already have as hard copy when they are at such low prices.</p>
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