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		By: RickA		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2019/05/16/discussion-of-abortion-law-on-maddow/#comment-979996</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RickA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2022 12:18:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2019/05/16/discussion-of-abortion-law-on-maddow/#comment-979977&quot;&gt;RickA&lt;/a&gt;.

Greg:

Yes - I agree.  Why take on the burden of pregnancy when technology can do it for you.  That promise of future technology gives us hope that the abortion debate will someday end.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2019/05/16/discussion-of-abortion-law-on-maddow/#comment-979977">RickA</a>.</p>
<p>Greg:</p>
<p>Yes &#8211; I agree.  Why take on the burden of pregnancy when technology can do it for you.  That promise of future technology gives us hope that the abortion debate will someday end.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2022 03:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2019/05/16/discussion-of-abortion-law-on-maddow/#comment-979977&quot;&gt;RickA&lt;/a&gt;.

If a totally functional and reliable artificial womb is developed, and is accessible (in terms of cost), I would imagine pregnancy would become rare.  Many women report that they never feel better than when they are pregnant, it is like a great drug. The few women I know who claim that have a lot of kids.  For them, maybe pregnancy will still be desired, though I&#039;m pretty sure the feeling of euphoria from pregnancy can be mimicked by the same advanced technology that creates actual full-blown &quot;test tube&quot; people.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2019/05/16/discussion-of-abortion-law-on-maddow/#comment-979977">RickA</a>.</p>
<p>If a totally functional and reliable artificial womb is developed, and is accessible (in terms of cost), I would imagine pregnancy would become rare.  Many women report that they never feel better than when they are pregnant, it is like a great drug. The few women I know who claim that have a lot of kids.  For them, maybe pregnancy will still be desired, though I&#8217;m pretty sure the feeling of euphoria from pregnancy can be mimicked by the same advanced technology that creates actual full-blown &#8220;test tube&#8221; people.</p>
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		By: dean		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2019/05/16/discussion-of-abortion-law-on-maddow/#comment-979980</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dean]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2022 23:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2019/05/16/discussion-of-abortion-law-on-maddow/#comment-979977&quot;&gt;RickA&lt;/a&gt;.

and as expected, the magat&#039;s response doesn&#039;t address the issue of the right wing pro-lifers (a lie of a term if there ever was one) saying a woman should have no control over her body. Nothing but pure BS (artificial womb, crap about viability moving earlier). Just what we&#039;ve come to expect from people who don&#039;t think women should have rights. Very sad.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2019/05/16/discussion-of-abortion-law-on-maddow/#comment-979977">RickA</a>.</p>
<p>and as expected, the magat&#8217;s response doesn&#8217;t address the issue of the right wing pro-lifers (a lie of a term if there ever was one) saying a woman should have no control over her body. Nothing but pure BS (artificial womb, crap about viability moving earlier). Just what we&#8217;ve come to expect from people who don&#8217;t think women should have rights. Very sad.</p>
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		By: RickA		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RickA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2022 21:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[dean:

The Supreme Court says that abortion is the business of each State.  Even under Roe v. Wade and its progeny, the state had the right to restrict abortion post-viability.  

Of course, viability is constantly moving to earlier in the pregnancy, so the States rights are growing and the mothers are shrinking as technology improves.  Eventually an artificial womb will be developed and if the mother wants an abortion, the state will have the right to transplant the fetus into the artificial womb and save the life of the unborn child. 

It will be interesting to see what arguments the mothers come up with to argue that the fetus should be killed rather than transplanted to an artificial womb.  Some will argue they would rather kill their unborn child rather than have it grow up abandoned by its mother, as a ward of the state.  Or they would feel guilty.  Or the child might find out who their mother is later in life and want a relationship.  It all will come down to guilt.  I am not sure that these arguments will fly - but we will see.

It is interesting that some only focus on the rights of the mother, and forget about the rights of the other person involved (the unborn baby).  

My body, my choice - said the unborn baby.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dean:</p>
<p>The Supreme Court says that abortion is the business of each State.  Even under Roe v. Wade and its progeny, the state had the right to restrict abortion post-viability.  </p>
<p>Of course, viability is constantly moving to earlier in the pregnancy, so the States rights are growing and the mothers are shrinking as technology improves.  Eventually an artificial womb will be developed and if the mother wants an abortion, the state will have the right to transplant the fetus into the artificial womb and save the life of the unborn child. </p>
<p>It will be interesting to see what arguments the mothers come up with to argue that the fetus should be killed rather than transplanted to an artificial womb.  Some will argue they would rather kill their unborn child rather than have it grow up abandoned by its mother, as a ward of the state.  Or they would feel guilty.  Or the child might find out who their mother is later in life and want a relationship.  It all will come down to guilt.  I am not sure that these arguments will fly &#8211; but we will see.</p>
<p>It is interesting that some only focus on the rights of the mother, and forget about the rights of the other person involved (the unborn baby).  </p>
<p>My body, my choice &#8211; said the unborn baby.</p>
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		By: dean		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2019/05/16/discussion-of-abortion-law-on-maddow/#comment-979975</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dean]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2022 21:22:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2019/05/16/discussion-of-abortion-law-on-maddow/#comment-979949&quot;&gt;Lionel A&lt;/a&gt;.

A decent person would say there shouldn&#039;t be any laws restricting this or any other abortion since it&#039;s nobody&#039;s business but the woman&#039;s (and anyone else &lt;b&gt;she&lt;/b&gt; chooses to include). 

That&#039;s what a decent person would say. but your question was asked of a magat republican, so...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2019/05/16/discussion-of-abortion-law-on-maddow/#comment-979949">Lionel A</a>.</p>
<p>A decent person would say there shouldn&#8217;t be any laws restricting this or any other abortion since it&#8217;s nobody&#8217;s business but the woman&#8217;s (and anyone else <b>she</b> chooses to include). </p>
<p>That&#8217;s what a decent person would say. but your question was asked of a magat republican, so&#8230;</p>
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		By: RickA		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2019/05/16/discussion-of-abortion-law-on-maddow/#comment-979954</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RickA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2022 13:06:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2019/05/16/discussion-of-abortion-law-on-maddow/#comment-979949&quot;&gt;Lionel A&lt;/a&gt;.

They should change the law to fix that.  That should take care of this issue going forward.  It seems they only need to add this particular medical issue to the list and problem solved.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2019/05/16/discussion-of-abortion-law-on-maddow/#comment-979949">Lionel A</a>.</p>
<p>They should change the law to fix that.  That should take care of this issue going forward.  It seems they only need to add this particular medical issue to the list and problem solved.</p>
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		By: Lionel A		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lionel A]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2022 12:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So, what does our resident republican gestation expert think about this:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Nancy Davis suffered ‘unspeakable pain’ due to the poorly worded law that meant a hospital in her home state refused to terminate the pregnancy&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/sep/14/louisiana-woman-skull-less-fetus-new-york-abortion&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;Louisiana woman carrying skull-less fetus forced to travel to New York for an abortion&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, what does our resident republican gestation expert think about this:</p>
<blockquote><p>Nancy Davis suffered ‘unspeakable pain’ due to the poorly worded law that meant a hospital in her home state refused to terminate the pregnancy</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/sep/14/louisiana-woman-skull-less-fetus-new-york-abortion" rel="nofollow ugc">Louisiana woman carrying skull-less fetus forced to travel to New York for an abortion</a></p>
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		By: dean		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2019/05/16/discussion-of-abortion-law-on-maddow/#comment-762871</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dean]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 May 2019 00:46:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It isn&#039;t only the lawmakers (and the local trump supporters who posted above) who don&#039;t have a problem with rape. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;https://mavenroundtable.io/theintellectualist/news/missouri-lawmaker-says-most-rapes-that-he-s-investigated-are-consensual-rapes-BqJHfIgyeEOiTVzY6c-oAA/?utm_source=SP&#038;utm_medium=SP&#038;utm_campaign=SP&#038;utm_term=SP&#038;utm_content=SP&#038;fbclid=IwAR3BfNAL4YF6EMj50MUOUpGMLJzTqoDSnLM80L4P6MeU6Tcv8Fcb8zHk7Rk&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Scum like this have been around for years -- it just took trump and the republican leadership to make acceptance of rape and punishment of women seem acceptable.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It isn&#8217;t only the lawmakers (and the local trump supporters who posted above) who don&#8217;t have a problem with rape. </p>
<blockquote><p><a href="https://mavenroundtable.io/theintellectualist/news/missouri-lawmaker-says-most-rapes-that-he-s-investigated-are-consensual-rapes-BqJHfIgyeEOiTVzY6c-oAA/?utm_source=SP&#038;utm_medium=SP&#038;utm_campaign=SP&#038;utm_term=SP&#038;utm_content=SP&#038;fbclid=IwAR3BfNAL4YF6EMj50MUOUpGMLJzTqoDSnLM80L4P6MeU6Tcv8Fcb8zHk7Rk" rel="nofollow ugc">https://mavenroundtable.io/theintellectualist/news/missouri-lawmaker-says-most-rapes-that-he-s-investigated-are-consensual-rapes-BqJHfIgyeEOiTVzY6c-oAA/?utm_source=SP&#038;utm_medium=SP&#038;utm_campaign=SP&#038;utm_term=SP&#038;utm_content=SP&#038;fbclid=IwAR3BfNAL4YF6EMj50MUOUpGMLJzTqoDSnLM80L4P6MeU6Tcv8Fcb8zHk7Rk</a></p></blockquote>
<p>Scum like this have been around for years &#8212; it just took trump and the republican leadership to make acceptance of rape and punishment of women seem acceptable.</p>
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		By: dean		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2019/05/16/discussion-of-abortion-law-on-maddow/#comment-762678</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dean]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 May 2019 13:38:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;If the definition of a person includes a fetus...&quot;

You omit this

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;b&gt;If this suggestion of personhood is established,&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

but then opponents of Roe V Wade have never  been, and are not know, known for either intelligence nor integrity.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If the definition of a person includes a fetus&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>You omit this</p>
<blockquote><p><b>If this suggestion of personhood is established,</b></p></blockquote>
<p>but then opponents of Roe V Wade have never  been, and are not know, known for either intelligence nor integrity.</p>
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		By: MikeN		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MikeN]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 May 2019 13:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Part IX of Roe v Wade, says that if the definition of a person includes a fetus, the case or Roe falls apart.
The Alabama bill includes fetus in its definition of a person.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Part IX of Roe v Wade, says that if the definition of a person includes a fetus, the case or Roe falls apart.<br />
The Alabama bill includes fetus in its definition of a person.</p>
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