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		By: Tyvor Winn		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/10/22/election-matters/#comment-657790</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tyvor Winn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2018 19:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Lies repeated often enough become truth for all too many people.  If more people used their their cognitive faculties more that first sentence wouldn&#039;t be so  apt.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lies repeated often enough become truth for all too many people.  If more people used their their cognitive faculties more that first sentence wouldn&#8217;t be so  apt.</p>
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		By: dean		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/10/22/election-matters/#comment-655743</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2018 19:22:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/10/22/election-matters/#comment-655673&quot;&gt;Tyvor Winn&lt;/a&gt;.

I made a comment below about some of our ads here in MI. I neglected to point out that the ads that are the most shrill and hyperbolic (my democratic opponent will enact policies that will cost over 1 million automobile jobs, and so on) are completely lacking in any information you could look at to judge the validity of the assertion -- and the candidates&#039; web sites are also lacking that information. It&#039;s almost as though they were just making things up from nothing, as hard as it is to believe.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/10/22/election-matters/#comment-655673">Tyvor Winn</a>.</p>
<p>I made a comment below about some of our ads here in MI. I neglected to point out that the ads that are the most shrill and hyperbolic (my democratic opponent will enact policies that will cost over 1 million automobile jobs, and so on) are completely lacking in any information you could look at to judge the validity of the assertion &#8212; and the candidates&#8217; web sites are also lacking that information. It&#8217;s almost as though they were just making things up from nothing, as hard as it is to believe.</p>
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		By: Gregory Laden		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2018 18:52:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/10/22/election-matters/#comment-655685&quot;&gt;RickA&lt;/a&gt;.

RickA, those aren&#039;t negative ads. They are just ads you don&#039;t like.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/10/22/election-matters/#comment-655685">RickA</a>.</p>
<p>RickA, those aren&#8217;t negative ads. They are just ads you don&#8217;t like.</p>
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		By: oa		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/10/22/election-matters/#comment-655714</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2018 18:21:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;I&gt;[sniff, sniff]&lt;/I&gt;. Is it just me or did I just catch a whiff of false equivalence--or maybe it was what-aboutism...

Here it&#039;s been Repubs on attack with Dems lagging in response. I will say there&#039;s been a doozy of a Republican add on TV funded by some group I haven&#039;t been able to track down. Basically it&#039;s like the Dana Loesch NRA spot with raised fist and liberals rioting in the street, only worse. The thin veil separating the rhetoric from an actual call to violence is starting to fray.

Maybe you&#039;ve seen it; it ends with the message that if you vote for even one Democrat there will be a socialist mob apocalypse. (&quot;Mob,&quot; &quot;mob,&quot; &quot;mob&quot;...apparently the irony challenged manage to ignore the actual incitements at Trump rallies.)

Anyway it&#039;s got Nancy Pelosi looking like a crazed serial killer with a hammer, rioting in the streets, etc. Then there&#039;s the American flag engulfed in a shocking firenado, like the glory of Rome going up in smoke. Leni Riefenstahl would have been proud of that last image.

Sick; and not in a good way.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>[sniff, sniff]</i>. Is it just me or did I just catch a whiff of false equivalence&#8211;or maybe it was what-aboutism&#8230;</p>
<p>Here it&#8217;s been Repubs on attack with Dems lagging in response. I will say there&#8217;s been a doozy of a Republican add on TV funded by some group I haven&#8217;t been able to track down. Basically it&#8217;s like the Dana Loesch NRA spot with raised fist and liberals rioting in the street, only worse. The thin veil separating the rhetoric from an actual call to violence is starting to fray.</p>
<p>Maybe you&#8217;ve seen it; it ends with the message that if you vote for even one Democrat there will be a socialist mob apocalypse. (&#8220;Mob,&#8221; &#8220;mob,&#8221; &#8220;mob&#8221;&#8230;apparently the irony challenged manage to ignore the actual incitements at Trump rallies.)</p>
<p>Anyway it&#8217;s got Nancy Pelosi looking like a crazed serial killer with a hammer, rioting in the streets, etc. Then there&#8217;s the American flag engulfed in a shocking firenado, like the glory of Rome going up in smoke. Leni Riefenstahl would have been proud of that last image.</p>
<p>Sick; and not in a good way.</p>
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		By: dean		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/10/22/election-matters/#comment-655711</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2018 18:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[RickA&#039;s stupid statement of equivalence aside (really, can his comments ever be taken seriously? He expects people to think the two sides are equally bad? What a maroon.) it&#039;s been an odd campaign season here.

- We had one Republican candidate for state office attacking a fellow Republican opponent because the opponent had a degree from Harvard, &quot;where only elites go&quot;
- We have attack ads against a Democratic state candidate for referring to himself as a doctor &quot;when he isn&#039;t&quot;. The candidate is an MD, and ran  health care for some state based organizations, but &quot;He isn&#039;t a doctor because he doesn&#039;t work in an office or have patients&quot;

And, of course, my state representative, who voted against expanding Medicare, and has voted to make it more difficult for people to have access to state aid and voting sites, is slamming his Democratic opponent because she will &quot;decrease access to health care and take away your rights&quot;

We also have the usual (from the right) attacks on the poor and minorities, calls to repeal the right to same sex marriage, and wrapping the candidate in the flag/military career and/or Right to Life (a horrible organization) backing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RickA&#8217;s stupid statement of equivalence aside (really, can his comments ever be taken seriously? He expects people to think the two sides are equally bad? What a maroon.) it&#8217;s been an odd campaign season here.</p>
<p>&#8211; We had one Republican candidate for state office attacking a fellow Republican opponent because the opponent had a degree from Harvard, &#8220;where only elites go&#8221;<br />
&#8211; We have attack ads against a Democratic state candidate for referring to himself as a doctor &#8220;when he isn&#8217;t&#8221;. The candidate is an MD, and ran  health care for some state based organizations, but &#8220;He isn&#8217;t a doctor because he doesn&#8217;t work in an office or have patients&#8221;</p>
<p>And, of course, my state representative, who voted against expanding Medicare, and has voted to make it more difficult for people to have access to state aid and voting sites, is slamming his Democratic opponent because she will &#8220;decrease access to health care and take away your rights&#8221;</p>
<p>We also have the usual (from the right) attacks on the poor and minorities, calls to repeal the right to same sex marriage, and wrapping the candidate in the flag/military career and/or Right to Life (a horrible organization) backing.</p>
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		By: RickA		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/10/22/election-matters/#comment-655685</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2018 16:52:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Greg:

You must be in a bubble not to have seen any negative democratic ads.

The one I see the features Erik Paulsen sitting in a canoe with Donald Trump.

Have you seen that one?

I have seen negative ads run against Jason Lewis also.

Don&#039;t kid yourself, democrats run negative ads also.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg:</p>
<p>You must be in a bubble not to have seen any negative democratic ads.</p>
<p>The one I see the features Erik Paulsen sitting in a canoe with Donald Trump.</p>
<p>Have you seen that one?</p>
<p>I have seen negative ads run against Jason Lewis also.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t kid yourself, democrats run negative ads also.</p>
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		By: Tyvor Winn		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/10/22/election-matters/#comment-655673</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tyvor Winn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2018 16:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Nobody ever lost money underestimating the American public.  That may be appropriate here.  Most of the same people who voted for Don-the-Con &#038; his political remoras are still around.  If you don&#039;t play to people&#039;s fantasies and prejudices you have to work way harder to have your message register in  a positive way.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nobody ever lost money underestimating the American public.  That may be appropriate here.  Most of the same people who voted for Don-the-Con &amp; his political remoras are still around.  If you don&#8217;t play to people&#8217;s fantasies and prejudices you have to work way harder to have your message register in  a positive way.</p>
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