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		By: dean		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2018 01:46:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/08/09/when-you-stand-up-for-alex-jones-this-is-what-happens/#comment-607574&quot;&gt;cosmicomics&lt;/a&gt;.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/admiral-who-oversaw-bin-laden-raid-tells-trump-revoke-my-n901421]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/08/09/when-you-stand-up-for-alex-jones-this-is-what-happens/#comment-607574">cosmicomics</a>.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/admiral-who-oversaw-bin-laden-raid-tells-trump-revoke-my-n901421" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/admiral-who-oversaw-bin-laden-raid-tells-trump-revoke-my-n901421</a></p>
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		By: BBD		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BBD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2018 11:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/08/09/when-you-stand-up-for-alex-jones-this-is-what-happens/#comment-607574&quot;&gt;cosmicomics&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;blockquote&gt;And now there’s the case of John Brennan, who’s used his freedom of speech to condemn Trump, and whose use of free speech Trump describes as “erratic conduct and behavior,” justifying the revocation of his security clearance. I’m waiting for the “conservative” first amendment outrage.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Oh, me too. 

And stripping Brennan of his security clearance because he exercised his First Amendment Rights is a grotesque abuse of Executive power. One that could easily be seen as a further lurch toward tyranny. 

Where oh where are the &#039;Constitutionalists&#039; when the Constitution is under attack once again?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/08/09/when-you-stand-up-for-alex-jones-this-is-what-happens/#comment-607574">cosmicomics</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>And now there’s the case of John Brennan, who’s used his freedom of speech to condemn Trump, and whose use of free speech Trump describes as “erratic conduct and behavior,” justifying the revocation of his security clearance. I’m waiting for the “conservative” first amendment outrage.</p></blockquote>
<p>Oh, me too. </p>
<p>And stripping Brennan of his security clearance because he exercised his First Amendment Rights is a grotesque abuse of Executive power. One that could easily be seen as a further lurch toward tyranny. </p>
<p>Where oh where are the &#8216;Constitutionalists&#8217; when the Constitution is under attack once again?</p>
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		By: cosmicomics		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/08/09/when-you-stand-up-for-alex-jones-this-is-what-happens/#comment-607574</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cosmicomics]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2018 11:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What strikes me is the blatant display of hypocrisy. It&#039;s been made clear that social media aren&#039;t an anything goes free-for-all, and that persons and organizations that sign up for social media commit themselves to adhering to certain specified standards. If someone, e.g. Alex Jones, fails to abide by those standards, then he in effect is violating the contract and can thereby lose his right of use. Normally, conservatives have no problem when it comes to corporate freedom of speech or the right of corporations to restrict the speech or other rights of employees. Employees can be forced to sign non-disclosure agreements. They can be forced not to discuss pay with each other or can be forbidden from seeking similar kinds of work, etc. When corporations abuse their power in ways that benefit the directors and majority stockholders and suppress workers, “conservatives” never complain. I&#039;ve never observed “conservative” outrage over Trump&#039;s omertà use of non-disclosure agreements, whose very purpose is to protect Trump by denying freedom of speech.

And now there&#039;s the case of John Brennan, who&#039;s used his freedom of speech to condemn Trump, and whose use of free speech Trump describes as “erratic conduct and behavior,” justifying the revocation of his security clearance. I&#039;m waiting for the “conservative” first amendment outrage.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What strikes me is the blatant display of hypocrisy. It&#8217;s been made clear that social media aren&#8217;t an anything goes free-for-all, and that persons and organizations that sign up for social media commit themselves to adhering to certain specified standards. If someone, e.g. Alex Jones, fails to abide by those standards, then he in effect is violating the contract and can thereby lose his right of use. Normally, conservatives have no problem when it comes to corporate freedom of speech or the right of corporations to restrict the speech or other rights of employees. Employees can be forced to sign non-disclosure agreements. They can be forced not to discuss pay with each other or can be forbidden from seeking similar kinds of work, etc. When corporations abuse their power in ways that benefit the directors and majority stockholders and suppress workers, “conservatives” never complain. I&#8217;ve never observed “conservative” outrage over Trump&#8217;s omertà use of non-disclosure agreements, whose very purpose is to protect Trump by denying freedom of speech.</p>
<p>And now there&#8217;s the case of John Brennan, who&#8217;s used his freedom of speech to condemn Trump, and whose use of free speech Trump describes as “erratic conduct and behavior,” justifying the revocation of his security clearance. I&#8217;m waiting for the “conservative” first amendment outrage.</p>
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		By: StevoR		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/08/09/when-you-stand-up-for-alex-jones-this-is-what-happens/#comment-607516</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[StevoR]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2018 04:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/08/09/when-you-stand-up-for-alex-jones-this-is-what-happens/#comment-602484&quot;&gt;BBD&lt;/a&gt;.

Truth. Yet also how sadly predictable. 

Like an Alex Jones version of  Lewis&#039;s Law where the comments of online defenders of Alex Jones justify why he&#039;s so deserving of criticism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helen_Lewis_(journalist)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/08/09/when-you-stand-up-for-alex-jones-this-is-what-happens/#comment-602484">BBD</a>.</p>
<p>Truth. Yet also how sadly predictable. </p>
<p>Like an Alex Jones version of  Lewis&#8217;s Law where the comments of online defenders of Alex Jones justify why he&#8217;s so deserving of criticism.</p>
<p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helen_Lewis_(journalist)" rel="nofollow ugc">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helen_Lewis_(journalist)</a></p>
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		By: StevoR		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/08/09/when-you-stand-up-for-alex-jones-this-is-what-happens/#comment-607515</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[StevoR]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2018 04:32:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/08/09/when-you-stand-up-for-alex-jones-this-is-what-happens/#comment-602483&quot;&gt;SteveP&lt;/a&gt;.

SteveP : 

Well writ and spot on - except for the &quot;caveman&quot; personification.  Pretty sure our earlier ancestors were (almost all?) more intelligent, honest and, in context better behaved than Alex Jones. They had to be to survive.   Had someone behaved like Jones with so much deluded craziness back in the old days and misled their society so much then, i strongly suspect, they&#039;d quickly come to a miserable end and probably be expelled from their group. Well that or lead it to their mutual destruction.

Saying Alex Jones behaves like a stereotype of a bad &quot;primitive caveman&quot; OTOH, would be pretty much 100% right.  

/nitpicking -ironically apt for the context! Thinks chimps, bonobos and other species grooming.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/08/09/when-you-stand-up-for-alex-jones-this-is-what-happens/#comment-602483">SteveP</a>.</p>
<p>SteveP : </p>
<p>Well writ and spot on &#8211; except for the &#8220;caveman&#8221; personification.  Pretty sure our earlier ancestors were (almost all?) more intelligent, honest and, in context better behaved than Alex Jones. They had to be to survive.   Had someone behaved like Jones with so much deluded craziness back in the old days and misled their society so much then, i strongly suspect, they&#8217;d quickly come to a miserable end and probably be expelled from their group. Well that or lead it to their mutual destruction.</p>
<p>Saying Alex Jones behaves like a stereotype of a bad &#8220;primitive caveman&#8221; OTOH, would be pretty much 100% right.  </p>
<p>/nitpicking -ironically apt for the context! Thinks chimps, bonobos and other species grooming.</p>
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		By: dean		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/08/09/when-you-stand-up-for-alex-jones-this-is-what-happens/#comment-607457</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dean]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2018 02:16:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/08/09/when-you-stand-up-for-alex-jones-this-is-what-happens/#comment-607405&quot;&gt;SteveP&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;Alex Jones has not lost any of his free speech rights as far as I can see. &quot;

No, he hasn&#039;t, nor has he been censored. He&#039;s simply been told that if he wants to use the services used by a business he has to follow the rules put out by that business. 

You&#039;d think the &quot;real patriots&quot; would be able to understand that, but as the vocal right wingers here have demonstrated they fail even that low bar of an intelligence test.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/08/09/when-you-stand-up-for-alex-jones-this-is-what-happens/#comment-607405">SteveP</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;Alex Jones has not lost any of his free speech rights as far as I can see. &#8221;</p>
<p>No, he hasn&#8217;t, nor has he been censored. He&#8217;s simply been told that if he wants to use the services used by a business he has to follow the rules put out by that business. </p>
<p>You&#8217;d think the &#8220;real patriots&#8221; would be able to understand that, but as the vocal right wingers here have demonstrated they fail even that low bar of an intelligence test.</p>
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		By: SteveP		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SteveP]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2018 01:12:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Alex Jones has not lost any of his free speech rights as far as I can see.  Can he still put a soap box on a street corner and blubber his fry gibberish? Yep.  Can he still have his childish, idiotic, science free blabber flow through his Info Wars site? You betcha!  Can he send nonsense through twitter, once his one week cooling off period is over? Yes!  Can he take out an ad in the NYT or any other paper in the US and put his mental diarrhea out there for the gullible to ingest?  Affirmative. So where, pray tell, are any of his free speech rights being infringed by the government? 
If you disqualify any fruit loop, back woods  conspiracy hypotheses, there is no evidence that this human blow hole is having his first amendment rights infringed. 

Alex Jones , a person that I assess as being  a  child minded idiot, or a really sharp con man masquerading as a child minded idiot, or something in between, is still free to blather all over the country on any number of issues, at any number of websites, although at this point, his lawyers are probably urging him to show some restraint to prevent further law suites against his business.

So right wingers, please don&#039;t try to play the victim card. Especially after you have made such a big issue about the act of claiming victim-hood. If a public or private company tells Alex Jones that he has violated the company&#039;s rules of engagements, and he is kicked off, this is not a constitutional issue; especially if he has in fact violated the company&#039;s rules of engagement. 

 If Alex Jones serves any benefit to society, it is, IME, only that he serves as a warning to others not to wreck yourself on the shoal of stupidity. It looks to me like we had better smarten  up our culture before it is so out of whack with our written laws, and the laws of nature,  that normal, reasonable exercise of free speech becomes pointless.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex Jones has not lost any of his free speech rights as far as I can see.  Can he still put a soap box on a street corner and blubber his fry gibberish? Yep.  Can he still have his childish, idiotic, science free blabber flow through his Info Wars site? You betcha!  Can he send nonsense through twitter, once his one week cooling off period is over? Yes!  Can he take out an ad in the NYT or any other paper in the US and put his mental diarrhea out there for the gullible to ingest?  Affirmative. So where, pray tell, are any of his free speech rights being infringed by the government?<br />
If you disqualify any fruit loop, back woods  conspiracy hypotheses, there is no evidence that this human blow hole is having his first amendment rights infringed. </p>
<p>Alex Jones , a person that I assess as being  a  child minded idiot, or a really sharp con man masquerading as a child minded idiot, or something in between, is still free to blather all over the country on any number of issues, at any number of websites, although at this point, his lawyers are probably urging him to show some restraint to prevent further law suites against his business.</p>
<p>So right wingers, please don&#8217;t try to play the victim card. Especially after you have made such a big issue about the act of claiming victim-hood. If a public or private company tells Alex Jones that he has violated the company&#8217;s rules of engagements, and he is kicked off, this is not a constitutional issue; especially if he has in fact violated the company&#8217;s rules of engagement. </p>
<p> If Alex Jones serves any benefit to society, it is, IME, only that he serves as a warning to others not to wreck yourself on the shoal of stupidity. It looks to me like we had better smarten  up our culture before it is so out of whack with our written laws, and the laws of nature,  that normal, reasonable exercise of free speech becomes pointless.</p>
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		By: Christopher Winter		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christopher Winter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2018 22:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In fairness, I must say that joke by BillyR was funny. Gross, but funny.

However, I was expecting a different ending, in which grandpa climbed atop the desk (thereby standing on the top side) to do his business.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In fairness, I must say that joke by BillyR was funny. Gross, but funny.</p>
<p>However, I was expecting a different ending, in which grandpa climbed atop the desk (thereby standing on the top side) to do his business.</p>
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		By: BBD		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BBD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2018 18:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/08/09/when-you-stand-up-for-alex-jones-this-is-what-happens/#comment-605958&quot;&gt;BillyR&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;blockquote&gt;You see readers, not a single rebuttal from the three
chief lefty trolls.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Learn to read, fuckwit.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/08/09/when-you-stand-up-for-alex-jones-this-is-what-happens/#comment-605958">BillyR</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>You see readers, not a single rebuttal from the three<br />
chief lefty trolls.</p></blockquote>
<p>Learn to read, fuckwit.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2018 16:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There are a number of people who stand to gain by exaggerating the supposed victimization of Alex Jones and the supposed infringement of his free speech rights. Dictatorial authoritarians stand to gain when the “persecution” of Alex Jones can be misrepresented  as a failure of government, and therefore as a false  justification for crushing the free media. Cruel and sadistic people, those  who like to cause discomfort among innocent and decent people,  those who gain sadistic pleasure from trying to torment others, can use the Alex Jones case as an amusement for themselves. And Russia always snickers when Americans viciously turn on each other.  Alex Jones is a gift to Russia and to people who treasure cruelty and childishness.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a number of people who stand to gain by exaggerating the supposed victimization of Alex Jones and the supposed infringement of his free speech rights. Dictatorial authoritarians stand to gain when the “persecution” of Alex Jones can be misrepresented  as a failure of government, and therefore as a false  justification for crushing the free media. Cruel and sadistic people, those  who like to cause discomfort among innocent and decent people,  those who gain sadistic pleasure from trying to torment others, can use the Alex Jones case as an amusement for themselves. And Russia always snickers when Americans viciously turn on each other.  Alex Jones is a gift to Russia and to people who treasure cruelty and childishness.</p>
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