Drat, forget to add personal details with the above.

The myth of a robust US egalitarianism is just that – a myth. The question is whether the curtain can be maintained across the stage, or if it’s going to fall and reveal the deceptions behind.

Aye. And if more Americans bothered to read the likes of Oliver Stone’s (wounded during service in Vietnam which campaign itself is a cautionary tale of American fair mindedness) ‘Untold History of the United States’ , also available as a documentary on DVD (but the book is better) then more level many heads would be.

🙂

Brilliant.
I don’t mind conceding the idea of robustness. Cuz, like you say, to many people it’s always been broken in USA.
That’s the type of retort that floats my boat. Nice one Bernard J.

Fuck me, if the system is that insecure, it was never secure in the first place…

And therein lies the rub. Ask yourself how many black/Hispanic/native people are doing time for minor crimes. Ask yourself how many white white-collar criminals are doing time for major financial crimes or similar…

The myth of a robust US egalitarianism is just that – a myth. The question is whether the curtain can be maintained across the stage, or if it’s going to fall and reveal the deceptions behind.

“This is the sign that US democracy and jurisprudence are of the brink of destruction.”
Er. With great respect, if and it remains a big IF, a beak or even a few beaks did this AND got away with it ( seems a touch unlikely if there’s enough evidence to convince the rather scientifically minded Greg, but it remains to be seen if there is any),
that seriously SERIOUSLY dosnt equate to the start of the brink of destruction of USA law.
Fuck me, if the system is that insecure, it was never secure in the first place, and seeing as the biggest mob of crazy crazy shit has happened in the last couple of hundred years and the system is still there it seems unlikely in the extreme to be on the edge of destruction now. Fucking nukes are a much bigger threat to American law than a few corrupt judges. The system would never have made it this far if that’s all it took.
As to destruction of democracy, it dosnt really apply because there’s separation of powers. Democracy could be non existent but there could still be a judicial system that follows it’s own rules. Do ya see what I mean? I’m reading your words and they seem a touch hyperbolic. I’m not trying to be snarky when I say that.
I’m most certainly hyperbolic at times too.
Greg printing up some words ( reflecting reality or not ) don’t equate to a harbinger of destruction of
fuck all, I reckon.
If flaws in a system get picked up, as Greg claims to have, they get rectified and the system gets stronger.
Boy ya really hanging out there with this one Greg! It’s up to you to provide some evidence so the juriswhatsit system can be saved!

I wouldn’t mind seeing evidence of the
beak attempting ( and succeeding? ) to bias a jury? Are there records around of what he or she said/wrote to the jury? And some type of evidence the jury utilized that bias in their deliberations?
Why do you think as you do Greg?
What information have you got that led you to your conclusion?
I’m asking you to validate your perspective that you shared with your readers. So it has some sort of substance. Rather than just words on screen.
I don’t disbelieve you but it’s a pretty far out there thing, ya gotta admit.
Some room packed with some pretty fine minds I’m guessing with possibly hundreds of man years ( sorry ladies reading , I’m not sure if there is another term for that )of experience and none of em went
” Hoy yer honour, ya can’t be sayin that. Where did ya get ya judgin licence? Out of a weetbix box?”
I hope you understand my sceptical attitude. I think it’s a reasonable attitude to have till ya give us more.

Greg
Yes, Pence would only be able to pardon Trump for federal crimes (something I overlooked), which could make a federal pardon somewhat meaningless. I’m a bit more sanguine about state convictions than you because I think the prosecutors will be able to present incontrovertible evidence for illegal financial dealings that even jurors who voted for Trump will find repulsive. One of the battlegrounds would be New York, not exactly Trump country.

BBD
In a comment to the post, Donald Trump is bad. How bad is he?,
https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/07/30/donald-trump-is-bad-how-bad-is-he/#comment-601362
I mentioned that a number of the most prominent figures in Trump’s administration, including Pence, were Koch products. Pence is also tied to Evangelicals. Still, he had become so unpopular in Indiana that if had run for reelection, he probably would have lost. Trump was his life boat and by siding with Trump on issues that go against Koch interests, he may have lost Koch support. I don’t see Pence as being in a strong position.

This should interest you:
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/trump-vs-koch-is-a-custody-battle-over-congress

I’m not actually confident of convictions. First, as we are seeing now in Virginia, Republican judges have no problem biasing juries to acquit the Russian-Republican Conspiracy defendant. Second, since 35% or so of Americans think Trump is their god, it will be hard to get a jury of 12 without at least one of those traitors on it.

This is the sign that US democracy and jurisprudence are of the brink of destruction. I frequently wonder how much of this strategy to brazen it out with these outrageous behaviours comes from advice from Russia and backers of the GOP like Brietbart and the Mercers. There is so much practiced psychological manipulation involved, so much patently unethical and criminal activity that a reasonable person would flinch from participating, that I can only understand this in the light of a deliberate program to use democracy to destroy democracy.

In a reasonable world a criminal like Trump would be removed within days of his bad behaviour (or not elected in the first place…) and he would spend many years in prison. In the US you have a situation where he outrageously enriches himself and his friends and family and the GOP dosn’t even blink – can you imagine the hysterical screaming that would have occurred had Obama or Clinton carried on in the same manner?!