Comments on: Elon Musk, Tesla, pasta, and the questionable nature of stocks and the free market. https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/08/07/elon-musk-tesla-pasta-and-the-questionable-nature-of-stocks-and-the-free-market/ Sat, 11 Aug 2018 20:25:35 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.6 By: Jazzlet https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/08/07/elon-musk-tesla-pasta-and-the-questionable-nature-of-stocks-and-the-free-market/#comment-602791 Sat, 11 Aug 2018 20:25:35 +0000 https://gregladen.com/blog/?p=30176#comment-602791 BillyR
In the case of Vaux-Wards some of the business shares were inherited before the business was taken public, but others were inherited after. But since you know so much about it could you explain to me how I inherited the shares I own?

]]> By: BillyR https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/08/07/elon-musk-tesla-pasta-and-the-questionable-nature-of-stocks-and-the-free-market/#comment-602265 Thu, 09 Aug 2018 13:09:04 +0000 https://gregladen.com/blog/?p=30176#comment-602265 Little d “owners return wouldn’t be as big as it could be!”

Bloke, what in St Patrick does dat mean? Please do more weather cast
as your outlook is nebulous.

As for returns on bird shredders, there would be NONE (NUN <—- more
spelling laughter for the clown passe) if it were on for state tax payouts.

]]> By: BillyR https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/08/07/elon-musk-tesla-pasta-and-the-questionable-nature-of-stocks-and-the-free-market/#comment-602263 Thu, 09 Aug 2018 13:00:43 +0000 https://gregladen.com/blog/?p=30176#comment-602263 In reply to Jazzlet.

“they destroyed the livelihoods of hundreds because the shares they inherited weren’t giving them a good enough return – not a poor return, just not a stellar return.”

Poppycock. Have you ever even been a shareholder.? No one inherits stock
share (LBO) with the economics of some business are better liquidated than held.

Employees have the option to buy the business. Jazz, I have a 30
year government bonds, that I will offer to you for 100 bases points, do
you wish to buy.?

That being said, some leverage buyouts firms are better than others.

Some helf firms return to a competitive environment, others are simple
rent seekers.

]]> By: Li D https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/08/07/elon-musk-tesla-pasta-and-the-questionable-nature-of-stocks-and-the-free-market/#comment-602219 Thu, 09 Aug 2018 01:53:52 +0000 https://gregladen.com/blog/?p=30176#comment-602219 In reply to Jazzlet.

Hmmm yes.
A similar case could be made ( although there are convolution , typically! ) about some mob called AEP cancelling a huge wind farm in USA state of Oklahoma because of some timeframe on government subsidies and they wouldn’t get em and
the owners return wouldn’t be as big as it could be! So they just can it!
It’s a shitty shitty optic on windfarming as a viable business and aspersions are already being made about it by cretins who hate wind power.
I remember saying ages ago about tree farms and that if the only way to profit is by government tax law, they are hardly a viable business.
Same with a restaurant actually.
If ya can’t run a restaurant profitably AND pay staff a fair wage, it’s not even close to viable.

]]> By: Jazzlet https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/08/07/elon-musk-tesla-pasta-and-the-questionable-nature-of-stocks-and-the-free-market/#comment-602189 Wed, 08 Aug 2018 17:01:40 +0000 https://gregladen.com/blog/?p=30176#comment-602189 To go back to the problem that Greg was talking about. I’ve known of perfectly successful companies, giving their stockholders a good reliable, but not stellar or fast rising return, and employing a couple of thousand people, that went out of business because the stockholders coud get a large payment up-front form private equity firms who bought the company, closed the business and made their money selling off all the assets. Ward Vaux would be an example, a brewer with a couple of breweries and a thousand plus pubs, most of the stockholders inherited their shares as descendants of the founders; they destroyed the livelihoods of hundreds because the shares they inherited weren’t giving them a good enough return – not a poor return, just not a stellar return.

]]> By: dean https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/08/07/elon-musk-tesla-pasta-and-the-questionable-nature-of-stocks-and-the-free-market/#comment-602188 Wed, 08 Aug 2018 16:23:50 +0000 https://gregladen.com/blog/?p=30176#comment-602188 ““And, the wealthy Democrats tend to inherit their money. Republicans tend to earn it.”

Yeah, reading through that crap one has to ask: you don’t have a reliable source? One that isn’t hosted by a proud and loud bigot and racist?

No? Thought not.

Once again — nothing you post should be taken as being reliable.

]]> By: BillyR https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/08/07/elon-musk-tesla-pasta-and-the-questionable-nature-of-stocks-and-the-free-market/#comment-602181 Wed, 08 Aug 2018 15:12:08 +0000 https://gregladen.com/blog/?p=30176#comment-602181 A wealth Senate report for dean, the dancing machine.

https://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com/2011/11/16/more-democrats-in-congress-wealthier-than-republican-counterparts/

“And, the wealthy Democrats tend to inherit their money. Republicans tend to earn it.”

For more Fake News, please visit HeadFakedean.orgy

]]> By: BillyR https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/08/07/elon-musk-tesla-pasta-and-the-questionable-nature-of-stocks-and-the-free-market/#comment-602179 Wed, 08 Aug 2018 14:53:28 +0000 https://gregladen.com/blog/?p=30176#comment-602179 “You’re right. It takes a masterful businessman to be given several hundred million dollars from his father, run things that perform at a lower rate than the stock market, stiff contractors out of payments, and run several casinos into the ground.

You really should stay away from adult conversations billyR — you don’t stand a chance.”

The only accomplishment your fine candidates have achieved, is to suckle at
the tits of worker bees.

]]> By: BillyR https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/08/07/elon-musk-tesla-pasta-and-the-questionable-nature-of-stocks-and-the-free-market/#comment-602177 Wed, 08 Aug 2018 14:47:07 +0000 https://gregladen.com/blog/?p=30176#comment-602177 Musk’s best move was to quite college. He quickly went from a
debtor to an asset holder.

Little d, some of our stores are self-service but most dinners
prefer a staff of waiters and waitresses, as they become our
lobbyists.

I would rather avoid a kerfuffle with the cooking staff, who
may express their displeasure with an altered meal.

]]> By: dean https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/08/07/elon-musk-tesla-pasta-and-the-questionable-nature-of-stocks-and-the-free-market/#comment-602174 Wed, 08 Aug 2018 14:36:32 +0000 https://gregladen.com/blog/?p=30176#comment-602174

dean, old bean, because we failed your metrics we are deem dean blankholes?

You’re right. It takes a masterful businessman to be given several hundred million dollars from his father, run things that perform at a lower rate than the stock market, stiff contractors out of payments, and run several casinos into the ground.

You really should stay away from adult conversations billyR — you don’t stand a chance.

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