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		By: SteveP		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Here we are, less than four weeks from the last post, and another gun lover went berserk and shot a bunch of people.  The shooter had mental health issues, but,somehow, they were not severe enough to keep him from purchasing two fire arms.  His father, an engineer, disputed that his son was psychotic.  I&#039;m not sure what you call it when your sons values are so  upside down and inside out that losing a video game tournament requires you to shoot people with a gun.  Despite having had the police called on him numerous times in the past for violent or disruptive behavior, he was still able to buy two guns.  Now a dozen families have had their lives bashed in because of his love for guns.  

I&#039;d love to know what his blood lead level was.  Like the monster who shot up Sandy Hook, this guy was a mentally challenged individual with very obvious behavioral and social interaction issues, and he obviously had over exposure to lead fumes and lead residue just by virtue of being a gun lover. And yet, collectively, we let him have guns.  

IMO, his father has some culpability. As do the gun sellers, the gun makers, the ammo sellers, the ammo makers, the NRA, our mental health system, and our culture of violence in general.  However, any attempt to work to resolve this problem will be thwarted time and time again by the people who get high sniffing leaded gun smoke fumes.  I wonder what their blood lead levels are? 

This is one case where it is easy to surmise that someone used a gun to try to put a bandaid on his wounded ego.   Of all the stupid uses for guns, that has got to be one of the stupidest, and yet how many gun lovers have guns just for that reason?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here we are, less than four weeks from the last post, and another gun lover went berserk and shot a bunch of people.  The shooter had mental health issues, but,somehow, they were not severe enough to keep him from purchasing two fire arms.  His father, an engineer, disputed that his son was psychotic.  I&#8217;m not sure what you call it when your sons values are so  upside down and inside out that losing a video game tournament requires you to shoot people with a gun.  Despite having had the police called on him numerous times in the past for violent or disruptive behavior, he was still able to buy two guns.  Now a dozen families have had their lives bashed in because of his love for guns.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;d love to know what his blood lead level was.  Like the monster who shot up Sandy Hook, this guy was a mentally challenged individual with very obvious behavioral and social interaction issues, and he obviously had over exposure to lead fumes and lead residue just by virtue of being a gun lover. And yet, collectively, we let him have guns.  </p>
<p>IMO, his father has some culpability. As do the gun sellers, the gun makers, the ammo sellers, the ammo makers, the NRA, our mental health system, and our culture of violence in general.  However, any attempt to work to resolve this problem will be thwarted time and time again by the people who get high sniffing leaded gun smoke fumes.  I wonder what their blood lead levels are? </p>
<p>This is one case where it is easy to surmise that someone used a gun to try to put a bandaid on his wounded ego.   Of all the stupid uses for guns, that has got to be one of the stupidest, and yet how many gun lovers have guns just for that reason?</p>
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		By: Li D		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Li D]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2018 14:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/08/01/should-people-be-charged-if-their-gun-is-used-in-a-crime/#comment-601535&quot;&gt;SteveP&lt;/a&gt;.

Wow. This post above by Steve P could be read in a pretty dry cool  manner.
But I don&#039;t see it like that.
It&#039;s an very impressive passionate heartfelt plea for a break in the cycle.
Nice writing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/08/01/should-people-be-charged-if-their-gun-is-used-in-a-crime/#comment-601535">SteveP</a>.</p>
<p>Wow. This post above by Steve P could be read in a pretty dry cool  manner.<br />
But I don&#8217;t see it like that.<br />
It&#8217;s an very impressive passionate heartfelt plea for a break in the cycle.<br />
Nice writing.</p>
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		By: Li D		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/08/01/should-people-be-charged-if-their-gun-is-used-in-a-crime/#comment-601537</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Li D]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2018 14:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/08/01/should-people-be-charged-if-their-gun-is-used-in-a-crime/#comment-601532&quot;&gt;SteveP&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot; Ted Cruz &quot; Now there&#039;s a stupid fucking idiot. He got more than potential lead issues that bloke.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/08/01/should-people-be-charged-if-their-gun-is-used-in-a-crime/#comment-601532">SteveP</a>.</p>
<p>&#8221; Ted Cruz &#8221; Now there&#8217;s a stupid fucking idiot. He got more than potential lead issues that bloke.</p>
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		By: SteveP		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SteveP]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2018 14:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And another thing. The guy who shot the Houston Doctor on a bicycle was a constable for 30 years and a big gun lover.  I&#039;ve love to know what his blood lead level is.  Or was.  He may have offed himself in some dark corner of the world when the ramifications of his stupid action finally hit home. 

Humans do not appear to have a good built in lead de-toxicification mechanism.  And lead is very toxic to humans. Thus, messing around with guns is a really really questionable activity for an intelligent person.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And another thing. The guy who shot the Houston Doctor on a bicycle was a constable for 30 years and a big gun lover.  I&#8217;ve love to know what his blood lead level is.  Or was.  He may have offed himself in some dark corner of the world when the ramifications of his stupid action finally hit home. </p>
<p>Humans do not appear to have a good built in lead de-toxicification mechanism.  And lead is very toxic to humans. Thus, messing around with guns is a really really questionable activity for an intelligent person.</p>
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		By: SteveP		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SteveP]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2018 14:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[LiD,    Feeling the need for a gun, for most people, is a little bit dim witted to start with, but I admit that there are times and places where they are needed or necessary.  My contention is that, all &quot;legal&quot; arguments aside for a moment, the use of leaded fire arms by the general public as &quot;recreation&quot; is bloody stupid. And it is locked into the DNA of the USA  .... in more ways than one.  So we here in the USA have a serious and nearly intractable problem.  The rate of gun ownership is swelling, meaning more and more people are getting contaminated with lead, and nobody is checking their own level of contamination, and besides, the Republicans have actually tried and in some cases succeeding in banning public health studies on gun effects.  The more guns in the hands of untrained and often criminal gun owners there are, the more gun deaths there are, almost like some inviolable law of physics.  And the more guns there are, the more trigger happy the cops feel they need to be to survive.  And inevitably, everybody feels that they need to have a gun.  Finally, you reach the stage where everyday life requires an undue amount of time spent on gun management, and fear management, and security management, until the quality of life is severely degraded for everbody except stupid and sociopathic people.  All because  stupid people started a civilian arms race.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LiD,    Feeling the need for a gun, for most people, is a little bit dim witted to start with, but I admit that there are times and places where they are needed or necessary.  My contention is that, all &#8220;legal&#8221; arguments aside for a moment, the use of leaded fire arms by the general public as &#8220;recreation&#8221; is bloody stupid. And it is locked into the DNA of the USA  &#8230;. in more ways than one.  So we here in the USA have a serious and nearly intractable problem.  The rate of gun ownership is swelling, meaning more and more people are getting contaminated with lead, and nobody is checking their own level of contamination, and besides, the Republicans have actually tried and in some cases succeeding in banning public health studies on gun effects.  The more guns in the hands of untrained and often criminal gun owners there are, the more gun deaths there are, almost like some inviolable law of physics.  And the more guns there are, the more trigger happy the cops feel they need to be to survive.  And inevitably, everybody feels that they need to have a gun.  Finally, you reach the stage where everyday life requires an undue amount of time spent on gun management, and fear management, and security management, until the quality of life is severely degraded for everbody except stupid and sociopathic people.  All because  stupid people started a civilian arms race.</p>
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		By: Li D		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Li D]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2018 14:00:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/08/01/should-people-be-charged-if-their-gun-is-used-in-a-crime/#comment-601465&quot;&gt;SteveP&lt;/a&gt;.

BBD. There is a miscommunication apparent. 
I agree strongly  with your entire post ( especially about toerag Banks )except 
your initial disagreement with the commenter liberal. 
I believe  commenter Steve P phrased something really badly.
I damn well fucking know I don&#039;t want to live in a system where an accused MUST provide proof of anything.
Yes a gun owner needs a gun safe and other things to satisfy licence requirements. No question from me about that. Regularly inspected too.
But if a gun is stolen somehow, and the gunowner charged with something, the onus is not and cannot be on the accused  to provide evidence.


It&#039;s a miscommunication is all.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/08/01/should-people-be-charged-if-their-gun-is-used-in-a-crime/#comment-601465">SteveP</a>.</p>
<p>BBD. There is a miscommunication apparent.<br />
I agree strongly  with your entire post ( especially about toerag Banks )except<br />
your initial disagreement with the commenter liberal.<br />
I believe  commenter Steve P phrased something really badly.<br />
I damn well fucking know I don&#8217;t want to live in a system where an accused MUST provide proof of anything.<br />
Yes a gun owner needs a gun safe and other things to satisfy licence requirements. No question from me about that. Regularly inspected too.<br />
But if a gun is stolen somehow, and the gunowner charged with something, the onus is not and cannot be on the accused  to provide evidence.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a miscommunication is all.</p>
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		By: SteveP		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SteveP]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2018 13:52:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[OK. Let&#039;s talk about scientific studies that back up my contention that shooters all have some level of lead contamination, shall we? 

https://ehjournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12940-017-0246-0

&quot;Nearly all BLL  measurements [Blood Lead Level of shooters] compiled in the reviewed studies exceed the current reference level of 5 ?g/dL recommended by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention/National Institute of Occupational Safety and Health (CDC/NIOSH). Thus firing ranges, regardless of type and user classification, currently constitute a significant and unmanaged public health problem. Prevention includes clothing changed after shooting, behavioural modifications such as banning of smoking and eating at firing ranges, improved ventilation systems and oversight of indoor ranges, and development of airflow systems at outdoor ranges. Eliminating lead dust risk at firing ranges requires primary prevention and using lead-free primers and lead-free bullets.&quot;

It is not simply conjecture, BillyR.   It is actually  fact. You can&#039;t inhale the smoke, fumes, dust etc. from shooting and not get contaminated. You can&#039;t eat a sandwich with your shooting hands without ingesting a little bit of that oh so heavy lead. That sweet smell of gunsmoke we all love so much? It  is actually the smell of your brain dying. The more you shoot, the more you ingest.   Does Ted Nugent exhibit the behavior of an intelligent, civilized man? He was a championship skeet shooter.  And now, he acts like a deranged idiot, periodically threatening people and getting visited by the Secret Service.   And eating machine gun bacon is particularly stupid. Really, really stupid.  But it does explain the deteriorating behavior and increasingly unintelligent actions of Senator Ted Cruz. I bet Sarah Palin loves her some machine gun bacon!

Russia loves it when Americans shoot more and more and more!  Eh BillyR?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK. Let&#8217;s talk about scientific studies that back up my contention that shooters all have some level of lead contamination, shall we? </p>
<p><a href="https://ehjournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12940-017-0246-0" rel="nofollow ugc">https://ehjournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12940-017-0246-0</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Nearly all BLL  measurements [Blood Lead Level of shooters] compiled in the reviewed studies exceed the current reference level of 5 ?g/dL recommended by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention/National Institute of Occupational Safety and Health (CDC/NIOSH). Thus firing ranges, regardless of type and user classification, currently constitute a significant and unmanaged public health problem. Prevention includes clothing changed after shooting, behavioural modifications such as banning of smoking and eating at firing ranges, improved ventilation systems and oversight of indoor ranges, and development of airflow systems at outdoor ranges. Eliminating lead dust risk at firing ranges requires primary prevention and using lead-free primers and lead-free bullets.&#8221;</p>
<p>It is not simply conjecture, BillyR.   It is actually  fact. You can&#8217;t inhale the smoke, fumes, dust etc. from shooting and not get contaminated. You can&#8217;t eat a sandwich with your shooting hands without ingesting a little bit of that oh so heavy lead. That sweet smell of gunsmoke we all love so much? It  is actually the smell of your brain dying. The more you shoot, the more you ingest.   Does Ted Nugent exhibit the behavior of an intelligent, civilized man? He was a championship skeet shooter.  And now, he acts like a deranged idiot, periodically threatening people and getting visited by the Secret Service.   And eating machine gun bacon is particularly stupid. Really, really stupid.  But it does explain the deteriorating behavior and increasingly unintelligent actions of Senator Ted Cruz. I bet Sarah Palin loves her some machine gun bacon!</p>
<p>Russia loves it when Americans shoot more and more and more!  Eh BillyR?</p>
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		By: BBD		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BBD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2018 13:20:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/08/01/should-people-be-charged-if-their-gun-is-used-in-a-crime/#comment-601465&quot;&gt;SteveP&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;blockquote&gt;In a fascistic country, yes.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

What utter rubbish. Guns are dangerous therefore when not in use they should be kept in a secure, locked cabinet specifically designed for weapons storage. Ammunition should be stored separately. This *is the law in the UK and last I checked the fascists were still a minority. A growing minority, but a minority all the same. We remain - just about - a parliamentary democracy, despite the best efforts of Arron fucking Banks and his chums to undermine it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/08/01/should-people-be-charged-if-their-gun-is-used-in-a-crime/#comment-601465">SteveP</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>In a fascistic country, yes.</p></blockquote>
<p>What utter rubbish. Guns are dangerous therefore when not in use they should be kept in a secure, locked cabinet specifically designed for weapons storage. Ammunition should be stored separately. This *is the law in the UK and last I checked the fascists were still a minority. A growing minority, but a minority all the same. We remain &#8211; just about &#8211; a parliamentary democracy, despite the best efforts of Arron fucking Banks and his chums to undermine it.</p>
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		By: L.Long		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2018 10:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So how easy or hard to break into my house do I have to make it before I&#039;m not partially guilty?  Breaking into my house or any house without being surrounded by a full metal cage is so easy that locks are nothing more than a symbol and not a deterrent!
And who is more guilty?  Me cause someone &#039;broke into&#039; my unlocked house to steal a gun, or walmart, as they gave the gun to the killer for a few bucks???]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So how easy or hard to break into my house do I have to make it before I&#8217;m not partially guilty?  Breaking into my house or any house without being surrounded by a full metal cage is so easy that locks are nothing more than a symbol and not a deterrent!<br />
And who is more guilty?  Me cause someone &#8216;broke into&#8217; my unlocked house to steal a gun, or walmart, as they gave the gun to the killer for a few bucks???</p>
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		By: BillyR		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2018 08:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/08/01/should-people-be-charged-if-their-gun-is-used-in-a-crime/#comment-601478&quot;&gt;SteveP&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;I contend that it is reasonable to suspect that all shooters have some level of lead contamination, from trace to massive, and that the effects of this contamination will be somewhat variable, and that a certain number of the crazed shooters we see each year were brought over the edge of impulsive stupidity by lead poisoning.&quot;

SIMPLY CONJECTURE.  :&#060;(]]></description>
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<p>&#8220;I contend that it is reasonable to suspect that all shooters have some level of lead contamination, from trace to massive, and that the effects of this contamination will be somewhat variable, and that a certain number of the crazed shooters we see each year were brought over the edge of impulsive stupidity by lead poisoning.&#8221;</p>
<p>SIMPLY CONJECTURE.  :&lt;(</p>
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