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		By: SteveP		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SteveP]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2018 15:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;The hotter world that Hansen envisioned in 1988 has pretty much come true so far, more or less. Three decades later, most climate scientists interviewed rave about the accuracy of Hansen&#039;s predictions given the technology of the time. &quot;   That was in the cite giving by BillyR.   Did he even bother to read it?  

Is this another case of fossil fuel induced blindness? Sad.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The hotter world that Hansen envisioned in 1988 has pretty much come true so far, more or less. Three decades later, most climate scientists interviewed rave about the accuracy of Hansen&#8217;s predictions given the technology of the time. &#8221;   That was in the cite giving by BillyR.   Did he even bother to read it?  </p>
<p>Is this another case of fossil fuel induced blindness? Sad.</p>
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		By: BBD		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/06/25/this-book-is-a-little-too-perfect-for-summer-reading/#comment-596632</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BBD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2018 13:55:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/06/25/this-book-is-a-little-too-perfect-for-summer-reading/#comment-596626&quot;&gt;BillyR&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Failed Dr Hanson’s predictions and more.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No, you&#039;ve been tricked by liars. For the &lt;i&gt;facts&lt;/i&gt;, see:

30 years after Hansen’s testimony (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2018/06/30-years-after-hansens-testimony/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Realclimate)&lt;/a&gt;

Analysis: How well have climate models projected global warming (&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-how-well-have-climate-models-projected-global-warming&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Carbon Brief)&lt;/a&gt;

If you push this crap, I will rip you a new one. Fair warning. 

* * *

As for scaling wind and solar to displace FFs, yes a massive engineering challenge that is often (IMO) misleadingly portrayed as simply a matter of political will. But that doesn&#039;t mean that it isn&#039;t absolutely necessary for avoiding major climate impacts.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/06/25/this-book-is-a-little-too-perfect-for-summer-reading/#comment-596626">BillyR</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>Failed Dr Hanson’s predictions and more.</p></blockquote>
<p>No, you&#8217;ve been tricked by liars. For the <i>facts</i>, see:</p>
<p>30 years after Hansen’s testimony (<a href="http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2018/06/30-years-after-hansens-testimony/" rel="nofollow">Realclimate)</a></p>
<p>Analysis: How well have climate models projected global warming (<a href="https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-how-well-have-climate-models-projected-global-warming" rel="nofollow">Carbon Brief)</a></p>
<p>If you push this crap, I will rip you a new one. Fair warning. </p>
<p>* * *</p>
<p>As for scaling wind and solar to displace FFs, yes a massive engineering challenge that is often (IMO) misleadingly portrayed as simply a matter of political will. But that doesn&#8217;t mean that it isn&#8217;t absolutely necessary for avoiding major climate impacts.</p>
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		By: BillyR		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/06/25/this-book-is-a-little-too-perfect-for-summer-reading/#comment-596626</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BillyR]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2018 13:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Failed Dr Hanson&#039;s predictions and more.

The next failure in the offering will be &quot;green&quot; energy.

https://www.elitetrader.com/et/threads/scientists-30-years-on-how-well-do-global-warming-predictions-stand-up.322343/page-3]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Failed Dr Hanson&#8217;s predictions and more.</p>
<p>The next failure in the offering will be &#8220;green&#8221; energy.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.elitetrader.com/et/threads/scientists-30-years-on-how-well-do-global-warming-predictions-stand-up.322343/page-3" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.elitetrader.com/et/threads/scientists-30-years-on-how-well-do-global-warming-predictions-stand-up.322343/page-3</a></p>
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		By: Li D		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/06/25/this-book-is-a-little-too-perfect-for-summer-reading/#comment-596606</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Li D]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2018 10:43:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/06/25/this-book-is-a-little-too-perfect-for-summer-reading/#comment-596462&quot;&gt;BillyR&lt;/a&gt;.

BBD sez &quot; .... mass extinction event.&quot;
Well it&#039;s sorta like a backup plan C in case the extinction event  we are trying to force now dosnt work. Plan B being nukes of course. One way or another.
This  attempt at humour was actually terribly painful to write down.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/06/25/this-book-is-a-little-too-perfect-for-summer-reading/#comment-596462">BillyR</a>.</p>
<p>BBD sez &#8221; &#8230;. mass extinction event.&#8221;<br />
Well it&#8217;s sorta like a backup plan C in case the extinction event  we are trying to force now dosnt work. Plan B being nukes of course. One way or another.<br />
This  attempt at humour was actually terribly painful to write down.</p>
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		By: BBD		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/06/25/this-book-is-a-little-too-perfect-for-summer-reading/#comment-596598</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BBD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2018 09:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/06/25/this-book-is-a-little-too-perfect-for-summer-reading/#comment-596462&quot;&gt;BillyR&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;blockquote&gt;The climatic and it’s interactions are so complex, no one will ever
find many or all solutions.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No, it&#039;s very simple: jack up CO2 and OHC and GAT rise and ocean pH falls and if you keep it up, you get a mass extinction event. 

All well understood from fundamental physics, palaeoclimate and palaeontology.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/06/25/this-book-is-a-little-too-perfect-for-summer-reading/#comment-596462">BillyR</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>The climatic and it’s interactions are so complex, no one will ever<br />
find many or all solutions.</p></blockquote>
<p>No, it&#8217;s very simple: jack up CO2 and OHC and GAT rise and ocean pH falls and if you keep it up, you get a mass extinction event. </p>
<p>All well understood from fundamental physics, palaeoclimate and palaeontology.</p>
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		By: Li D		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/06/25/this-book-is-a-little-too-perfect-for-summer-reading/#comment-596557</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Li D]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2018 04:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/06/25/this-book-is-a-little-too-perfect-for-summer-reading/#comment-596462&quot;&gt;BillyR&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot; no solutions &quot;
What the fuck are you on about?
How could you be literate, commenting on this blog, have knowledge of AGW at least to an extent that there is an acronym AGW, there&#039;s such things as computer modeling,  and that complexity is a legitimate relevant paradigm in the field, but not be aware of any solutions, particularly the big fucking obvious one, that has every fuckwit in a tiz?
Are you on fucking drugs mate?
How the fuck could you not  be aware of proposals to reduce co2 emissions as a solution to AGW?
How the flying fuck?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/06/25/this-book-is-a-little-too-perfect-for-summer-reading/#comment-596462">BillyR</a>.</p>
<p>&#8221; no solutions &#8221;<br />
What the fuck are you on about?<br />
How could you be literate, commenting on this blog, have knowledge of AGW at least to an extent that there is an acronym AGW, there&#8217;s such things as computer modeling,  and that complexity is a legitimate relevant paradigm in the field, but not be aware of any solutions, particularly the big fucking obvious one, that has every fuckwit in a tiz?<br />
Are you on fucking drugs mate?<br />
How the fuck could you not  be aware of proposals to reduce co2 emissions as a solution to AGW?<br />
How the flying fuck?</p>
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		By: Tyvor Winn		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/06/25/this-book-is-a-little-too-perfect-for-summer-reading/#comment-596521</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tyvor Winn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2018 22:08:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/06/25/this-book-is-a-little-too-perfect-for-summer-reading/#comment-596462&quot;&gt;BillyR&lt;/a&gt;.

You are conveniently ignoring two important things:

(1) The basic relationship between greenhouse gases and warming is not a &quot;crackpot idea,&quot; it is based on experimental evidence and modern physics: the knowledge of the interaction between radiation such as sunlight and  the atomic and molecular structure of different materials.

(2) The computer models are constantly compared with actual climatic data and modified as necessary.  They now show close agreement with the actual temperature changes over time.   

As I mentioned in a comment on this blog recently, it is the computer models that include human contributions to global warming that closely match the temperature data since about 1920.  The models that don&#039;t include the human contribution with other, natural, causes explain very little of the observed change.

The human contribution to atmospheric carbon dioxide is shown by ice core data.  Their has been a drastic decrease in the carbon 13 isotope relative to carbon 12 over since 1800.  This precipitous decrease in carbon 13 coincides with the equally precipitous rise in the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. The lighter carbon 12 atoms are preferentially used by living organisms so the burning of fossil fuels (coal, oil, natural gas) -- which are produced from buried organic matter -- produces carbon dioxide poorer in Carbon 13 relative to carbon 12. 

While many people are intimidated by the complexity of climate and take that complexity to mean that humans will never understand it, actual scientists have been teasing out the different factors  and determining their relative importance.

If you are a true denier, motivated by the religious idea that God still controls the weather or deep investment in the fossil fuel industry, or and unwillingness to change your lifestyle, etc., you will ignore what I&#039;ve said, or attempt to bate me with more invective and misinformation but forget it.  Tyvor don&#039;t play that game.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/06/25/this-book-is-a-little-too-perfect-for-summer-reading/#comment-596462">BillyR</a>.</p>
<p>You are conveniently ignoring two important things:</p>
<p>(1) The basic relationship between greenhouse gases and warming is not a &#8220;crackpot idea,&#8221; it is based on experimental evidence and modern physics: the knowledge of the interaction between radiation such as sunlight and  the atomic and molecular structure of different materials.</p>
<p>(2) The computer models are constantly compared with actual climatic data and modified as necessary.  They now show close agreement with the actual temperature changes over time.   </p>
<p>As I mentioned in a comment on this blog recently, it is the computer models that include human contributions to global warming that closely match the temperature data since about 1920.  The models that don&#8217;t include the human contribution with other, natural, causes explain very little of the observed change.</p>
<p>The human contribution to atmospheric carbon dioxide is shown by ice core data.  Their has been a drastic decrease in the carbon 13 isotope relative to carbon 12 over since 1800.  This precipitous decrease in carbon 13 coincides with the equally precipitous rise in the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. The lighter carbon 12 atoms are preferentially used by living organisms so the burning of fossil fuels (coal, oil, natural gas) &#8212; which are produced from buried organic matter &#8212; produces carbon dioxide poorer in Carbon 13 relative to carbon 12. </p>
<p>While many people are intimidated by the complexity of climate and take that complexity to mean that humans will never understand it, actual scientists have been teasing out the different factors  and determining their relative importance.</p>
<p>If you are a true denier, motivated by the religious idea that God still controls the weather or deep investment in the fossil fuel industry, or and unwillingness to change your lifestyle, etc., you will ignore what I&#8217;ve said, or attempt to bate me with more invective and misinformation but forget it.  Tyvor don&#8217;t play that game.</p>
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		By: dean		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/06/25/this-book-is-a-little-too-perfect-for-summer-reading/#comment-596463</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dean]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2018 15:00:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/06/25/this-book-is-a-little-too-perfect-for-summer-reading/#comment-596462&quot;&gt;BillyR&lt;/a&gt;.

As you demonstrate your ignorance (&quot;only&quot; computer models, &quot;crackpot theories&quot;) you show yourself to be a scientific dinosaur.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/06/25/this-book-is-a-little-too-perfect-for-summer-reading/#comment-596462">BillyR</a>.</p>
<p>As you demonstrate your ignorance (&#8220;only&#8221; computer models, &#8220;crackpot theories&#8221;) you show yourself to be a scientific dinosaur.</p>
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		By: BillyR		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BillyR]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2018 14:52:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;I think there’s a point of no return with very many deniers.&quot;

I think there&#039;s a point of no return with very many alarmists.

Frankly, there is little or no compromise from AGWers klan other than
finger pointing and no solutions only computer models,
and crackpot theories.  

The climatic and it&#039;s interactions are so complex, no one will ever
find many or all solutions.

The real threat to our planet is a very large rock striking the earth.  

Humans could be the next dinosaurs.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I think there’s a point of no return with very many deniers.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think there&#8217;s a point of no return with very many alarmists.</p>
<p>Frankly, there is little or no compromise from AGWers klan other than<br />
finger pointing and no solutions only computer models,<br />
and crackpot theories.  </p>
<p>The climatic and it&#8217;s interactions are so complex, no one will ever<br />
find many or all solutions.</p>
<p>The real threat to our planet is a very large rock striking the earth.  </p>
<p>Humans could be the next dinosaurs.</p>
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		By: Tyvor Winn		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tyvor Winn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2018 03:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Just ordered the Michael Mann book form Amazon.  Thanks for the nth time for a good tip Greg.

Re Lionel A&#039;s comment to me about Florida:  The situation is well known to geologists; It rose rather recently from the sea and sooner or later it is destined to return.  It seems it will be sooner thanks to AGW.  Yet still the people there vote for Republicans in election after election.  So much for the expectation of rational choices from the electorate.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just ordered the Michael Mann book form Amazon.  Thanks for the nth time for a good tip Greg.</p>
<p>Re Lionel A&#8217;s comment to me about Florida:  The situation is well known to geologists; It rose rather recently from the sea and sooner or later it is destined to return.  It seems it will be sooner thanks to AGW.  Yet still the people there vote for Republicans in election after election.  So much for the expectation of rational choices from the electorate.</p>
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