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		By: DEBORAH		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/06/04/minnesotas-democratic-party-dfl-convention-2018/#comment-601945</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2018 17:01:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		By: DEBORAH		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/06/04/minnesotas-democratic-party-dfl-convention-2018/#comment-601942</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2018 16:58:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		By: Li D		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/06/04/minnesotas-democratic-party-dfl-convention-2018/#comment-592982</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Li D]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2018 02:50:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/06/04/minnesotas-democratic-party-dfl-convention-2018/#comment-592595&quot;&gt;Li D&lt;/a&gt;.

Replying to anonymous.
That ain&#039;t up for me to decide.
It&#039;s in the platform. So at least several members went &quot; oh this is a big important issue and we got some ideas about sorting it out&quot;. That&#039;s what a platform is.
Christ knows what those ideas are. 
Because they don&#039;t seem to articulate em.
Which isn&#039;t very fair to party members, much less voters.
There&#039;s a real sense of avoiding the issue altogether.
Christ, if party can&#039;t write down at least 10 pages consisting of a description of issue,
strategies, known and potential hurdles to strategies etc, an  issue shouldn&#039;t be in a platform. Or it stinks of utter ameturness and candidates who don&#039;t have a fucking clue.
I&#039;ve said to Greg I will leave it alone and so that&#039;s it from me on this subject. Thanks for query.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/06/04/minnesotas-democratic-party-dfl-convention-2018/#comment-592595">Li D</a>.</p>
<p>Replying to anonymous.<br />
That ain&#8217;t up for me to decide.<br />
It&#8217;s in the platform. So at least several members went &#8221; oh this is a big important issue and we got some ideas about sorting it out&#8221;. That&#8217;s what a platform is.<br />
Christ knows what those ideas are.<br />
Because they don&#8217;t seem to articulate em.<br />
Which isn&#8217;t very fair to party members, much less voters.<br />
There&#8217;s a real sense of avoiding the issue altogether.<br />
Christ, if party can&#8217;t write down at least 10 pages consisting of a description of issue,<br />
strategies, known and potential hurdles to strategies etc, an  issue shouldn&#8217;t be in a platform. Or it stinks of utter ameturness and candidates who don&#8217;t have a fucking clue.<br />
I&#8217;ve said to Greg I will leave it alone and so that&#8217;s it from me on this subject. Thanks for query.</p>
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		By: Anonymous		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2018 23:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/06/04/minnesotas-democratic-party-dfl-convention-2018/#comment-592595&quot;&gt;Li D&lt;/a&gt;.

Li, what do you think people in Minnesota state government can do about nuclear weapons?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/06/04/minnesotas-democratic-party-dfl-convention-2018/#comment-592595">Li D</a>.</p>
<p>Li, what do you think people in Minnesota state government can do about nuclear weapons?</p>
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		By: Li D		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/06/04/minnesotas-democratic-party-dfl-convention-2018/#comment-592749</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Li D]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2018 20:36:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/06/04/minnesotas-democratic-party-dfl-convention-2018/#comment-592696&quot;&gt;Greg Laden&lt;/a&gt;.

Ok. I will leave it at that Greg. Thank you for reply and illuminating the process of how the
platform is developed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/06/04/minnesotas-democratic-party-dfl-convention-2018/#comment-592696">Greg Laden</a>.</p>
<p>Ok. I will leave it at that Greg. Thank you for reply and illuminating the process of how the<br />
platform is developed.</p>
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		By: MikeN		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2018 18:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/06/04/minnesotas-democratic-party-dfl-convention-2018/#comment-592537&quot;&gt;MikeN&lt;/a&gt;.

Sorry if I misrepresented:
&quot;Second, it is pure and simple BS, in my always humble opinion. He changed his mind to get the votes, just like he is putting the word “progressive” in where “blue dog” pertains again and again, because he has to do so for his campaign to survive. (Shame on everyone who bought into that, by the way … or are there really that many crytpo-gun-nuts in the Democratic party?)

Walz deserves scorn, not votes. &quot;

Now you are contemplating voting for him in a primary.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/06/04/minnesotas-democratic-party-dfl-convention-2018/#comment-592537">MikeN</a>.</p>
<p>Sorry if I misrepresented:<br />
&#8220;Second, it is pure and simple BS, in my always humble opinion. He changed his mind to get the votes, just like he is putting the word “progressive” in where “blue dog” pertains again and again, because he has to do so for his campaign to survive. (Shame on everyone who bought into that, by the way … or are there really that many crytpo-gun-nuts in the Democratic party?)</p>
<p>Walz deserves scorn, not votes. &#8221;</p>
<p>Now you are contemplating voting for him in a primary.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2018 16:16:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It is a big issue, but until the legislature decides our state needs an auditor&#039;s office that audits, it is pretty much over.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a big issue, but until the legislature decides our state needs an auditor&#8217;s office that audits, it is pretty much over.</p>
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		By: RickR		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/06/04/minnesotas-democratic-party-dfl-convention-2018/#comment-592699</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2018 14:03:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Greg, thanks. I have seen a few news reports about that issue with the MN Auditor’s office lawsuit, but, not being in MN, I didn’t know how big an issue it really was there.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg, thanks. I have seen a few news reports about that issue with the MN Auditor’s office lawsuit, but, not being in MN, I didn’t know how big an issue it really was there.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2018 13:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Li: All of the party documents are PDFs

I should have included this as well, the &quot;action agenda&quot; which is the current ask list for our representatives, a sort of living breathing do now platform.  A bucket list for the elected, as it were (where kicking the bucket is being unelected or moving on)

http://www.dfl.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/2016-17-Action-Agenda.pdf

There are no driftnets in the party platform or action agenda. But there could be, since our platform and agenda has a national component, and ever since statehood we&#039;ve had national representation in the form of a handful of House members and two Senators. 

The platform is not useless. It is less meaningful and powerful than it could be.  There is a group of us working to make it more relevant.  We shall see.

Having said that, the platform comes from individuals who proposed items at several thousand caucuses. These proposals are then assembled into a document that removes redundancy at the organizing unit level (there are dozens of OUs).  Then, these are voted on by the members of the OUs, and the proposals that get the most votes advance.  At this point there are several thousand proposals, but with a lot of redundancy. This year, there ended up being 83 or so proposals.  They were discussed and voted on at the state convention.  

I do not remember anything nuclear in the proposals I reviewed this year.  You&#039;d think there&#039;d be something, but no.

You are aggressively attacking the Minnesota DFL over its platform, but you are in fact unknowingly attacking the citizens of the state who consider themselves Democrats. That is not going to have any effect. 

What would have an effect is organizing Minnesotans to get them to propose items along the lines, covering the issues, you suggest.  Do it across much of the state, with enough people, you&#039;ll get a platform or action agenda item on the issues you are talking about!  

DFL Minnesota anti-nuclear gets 66,000 results
DFL Minnesota cat food gets 74,000 results.

I think we have a good balance there.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Li: All of the party documents are PDFs</p>
<p>I should have included this as well, the &#8220;action agenda&#8221; which is the current ask list for our representatives, a sort of living breathing do now platform.  A bucket list for the elected, as it were (where kicking the bucket is being unelected or moving on)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dfl.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/2016-17-Action-Agenda.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.dfl.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/2016-17-Action-Agenda.pdf</a></p>
<p>There are no driftnets in the party platform or action agenda. But there could be, since our platform and agenda has a national component, and ever since statehood we&#8217;ve had national representation in the form of a handful of House members and two Senators. </p>
<p>The platform is not useless. It is less meaningful and powerful than it could be.  There is a group of us working to make it more relevant.  We shall see.</p>
<p>Having said that, the platform comes from individuals who proposed items at several thousand caucuses. These proposals are then assembled into a document that removes redundancy at the organizing unit level (there are dozens of OUs).  Then, these are voted on by the members of the OUs, and the proposals that get the most votes advance.  At this point there are several thousand proposals, but with a lot of redundancy. This year, there ended up being 83 or so proposals.  They were discussed and voted on at the state convention.  </p>
<p>I do not remember anything nuclear in the proposals I reviewed this year.  You&#8217;d think there&#8217;d be something, but no.</p>
<p>You are aggressively attacking the Minnesota DFL over its platform, but you are in fact unknowingly attacking the citizens of the state who consider themselves Democrats. That is not going to have any effect. </p>
<p>What would have an effect is organizing Minnesotans to get them to propose items along the lines, covering the issues, you suggest.  Do it across much of the state, with enough people, you&#8217;ll get a platform or action agenda item on the issues you are talking about!  </p>
<p>DFL Minnesota anti-nuclear gets 66,000 results<br />
DFL Minnesota cat food gets 74,000 results.</p>
<p>I think we have a good balance there.</p>
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		By: Li D		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/06/04/minnesotas-democratic-party-dfl-convention-2018/#comment-592642</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Li D]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2018 07:22:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/06/04/minnesotas-democratic-party-dfl-convention-2018/#comment-592595&quot;&gt;Li D&lt;/a&gt;.

Searchwords: del minnesota anti nuclear. About 20 results. Mostly about nuclear energy. None about nukes.
Searchwords: minnesota cat food.
Endless....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/06/04/minnesotas-democratic-party-dfl-convention-2018/#comment-592595">Li D</a>.</p>
<p>Searchwords: del minnesota anti nuclear. About 20 results. Mostly about nuclear energy. None about nukes.<br />
Searchwords: minnesota cat food.<br />
Endless&#8230;.</p>
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