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		By: dean		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Mar 2018 20:25:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/03/19/cambridge-analytica-uncovered-secret-filming-reveals-election-tricks/#comment-577097&quot;&gt;MikeN&lt;/a&gt;.

Keep lying mikeN. It&#039;s all you have in this.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/03/19/cambridge-analytica-uncovered-secret-filming-reveals-election-tricks/#comment-577097">MikeN</a>.</p>
<p>Keep lying mikeN. It&#8217;s all you have in this.</p>
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		By: MikeN		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MikeN]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Mar 2018 20:22:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Just saw the latest Bill Maher.  Again the complaint was about mining Facebook data on tens of millions of people to elect Trump, not about violation of Facebook policies.  No mention that Obama campaign did the same though.  
Yet somehow the people who are aware Obama campaign did something similar want to turn the story into something about stealing private info from Facebook.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just saw the latest Bill Maher.  Again the complaint was about mining Facebook data on tens of millions of people to elect Trump, not about violation of Facebook policies.  No mention that Obama campaign did the same though.<br />
Yet somehow the people who are aware Obama campaign did something similar want to turn the story into something about stealing private info from Facebook.</p>
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		By: dean		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Mar 2018 19:55:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Cambridge Analytica sent out a series of tweets, and posted the substance of those tweets on its website. 

As you should have guessed already, the messages are lies and misleading information. 
The first message was (emphasis inside is mine)

&lt;blockquote&gt;Cambridge Analytica fully &lt;b&gt;complies&lt;/b&gt; with Facebook’s terms of service and ?is currently ?in touch with Facebook ?following its ?recent statement? that it had suspended the company from its platform, in order to resolve this matter as quickly as possible?.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Notice the present tense. They might be attempting to comply now that everyone is watching them, but in the years involved they were blatantly violating those terms of service, repeatedly, and lying to FB about doing so. That is the reason they were suspended. 

They spent some time trying to dismiss their former employee Wylie (he&#039;s the guy who has been explaining all the shady things CA was doing), and tried to lay complete blame on an outside company. Neither of those claims is supported by what has come out.

They tried the same thing mikeN did, equating their activities with those of the &#039;08 and &#039;12 Obama campaigns. That is, of course, pure bullshit, because of the flagrant misuse of data by CA in both those situations (and other reasons that have been disclosed during investigations. Some people will believe it, but they are the people to whom facts don&#039;t matter.) 

One of the most amusing lines of crap was their claim (in their tweets) that they never engaged in producing coercive materials, only in advertising (again, emphasis is mine).

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;b&gt;Advertising is not coercive&lt;/b&gt;; people are smarter than that 5/8
11:49 AM - 17 Mar 2018 &lt;/blockquote&gt;

That was immediately followed by

&lt;blockquote&gt;This isn’t a spy movie. We’re a data analytics company doing research &#038; analysis on commercial, public and data sets for clients&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Of course, advertising is at its core designed to be coercive -- that first comment could be the most blatant lie they&#039;ve told in their defense.  (Again, the  already patently dishonest folks will eat this shit up.)

The funniest (to me) bit is this: CA&#039;s twitter page has this banner message at the top:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Data-driven behavior change&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No, they don&#039;t produce things designed to be coercive, not at all./snark 

You really have to wonder just how far down the intellectual/moral rabbit hole people have to be in order to say anything like &quot;CA didn&#039;t do anything wrong and certainly did nothing different than that black guy the nation made a mistake with did.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cambridge Analytica sent out a series of tweets, and posted the substance of those tweets on its website. </p>
<p>As you should have guessed already, the messages are lies and misleading information.<br />
The first message was (emphasis inside is mine)</p>
<blockquote><p>Cambridge Analytica fully <b>complies</b> with Facebook’s terms of service and ?is currently ?in touch with Facebook ?following its ?recent statement? that it had suspended the company from its platform, in order to resolve this matter as quickly as possible?.</p></blockquote>
<p>Notice the present tense. They might be attempting to comply now that everyone is watching them, but in the years involved they were blatantly violating those terms of service, repeatedly, and lying to FB about doing so. That is the reason they were suspended. </p>
<p>They spent some time trying to dismiss their former employee Wylie (he&#8217;s the guy who has been explaining all the shady things CA was doing), and tried to lay complete blame on an outside company. Neither of those claims is supported by what has come out.</p>
<p>They tried the same thing mikeN did, equating their activities with those of the &#8217;08 and &#8217;12 Obama campaigns. That is, of course, pure bullshit, because of the flagrant misuse of data by CA in both those situations (and other reasons that have been disclosed during investigations. Some people will believe it, but they are the people to whom facts don&#8217;t matter.) </p>
<p>One of the most amusing lines of crap was their claim (in their tweets) that they never engaged in producing coercive materials, only in advertising (again, emphasis is mine).</p>
<blockquote><p><b>Advertising is not coercive</b>; people are smarter than that 5/8<br />
11:49 AM &#8211; 17 Mar 2018 </p></blockquote>
<p>That was immediately followed by</p>
<blockquote><p>This isn’t a spy movie. We’re a data analytics company doing research &amp; analysis on commercial, public and data sets for clients</p></blockquote>
<p>Of course, advertising is at its core designed to be coercive &#8212; that first comment could be the most blatant lie they&#8217;ve told in their defense.  (Again, the  already patently dishonest folks will eat this shit up.)</p>
<p>The funniest (to me) bit is this: CA&#8217;s twitter page has this banner message at the top:</p>
<blockquote><p>Data-driven behavior change</p></blockquote>
<p>No, they don&#8217;t produce things designed to be coercive, not at all./snark </p>
<p>You really have to wonder just how far down the intellectual/moral rabbit hole people have to be in order to say anything like &#8220;CA didn&#8217;t do anything wrong and certainly did nothing different than that black guy the nation made a mistake with did.&#8221;</p>
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		By: MikeN		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MikeN]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2018 22:41:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/03/19/cambridge-analytica-uncovered-secret-filming-reveals-election-tricks/#comment-576698&quot;&gt;MikeN&lt;/a&gt;.

New York Times, Vox, Wired, Washington Post, none of these focused on CA&#039;s breaking FB terms of service.  All of this show up in the latter half of the story, and instead focus on CA&#039;s harvesting of Facebook data to win the election, except WP focuses on FB&#039;s privacy issues.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/19/technology/facebook-cambridge-analytica-explained.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/03/19/cambridge-analytica-uncovered-secret-filming-reveals-election-tricks/#comment-576698">MikeN</a>.</p>
<p>New York Times, Vox, Wired, Washington Post, none of these focused on CA&#8217;s breaking FB terms of service.  All of this show up in the latter half of the story, and instead focus on CA&#8217;s harvesting of Facebook data to win the election, except WP focuses on FB&#8217;s privacy issues.<br />
<a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/19/technology/facebook-cambridge-analytica-explained.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/19/technology/facebook-cambridge-analytica-explained.html</a></p>
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		By: dean		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dean]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2018 22:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/03/19/cambridge-analytica-uncovered-secret-filming-reveals-election-tricks/#comment-576698&quot;&gt;MikeN&lt;/a&gt;.

CA is in the news because of the illegality they did once they decided to break FB&#039;s terms of service. We are learning more about the activities each day. Your ignorant (or is it blatant dishonesty behind it) dismissal of their actions, coupled with your &quot;it&#039;s the same thing Obama&#039;s team did&quot; is typical for you. There is nothing to your assertions. 

Either

- You don&#039;t understand what happened because you didn&#039;t read the reports
- You &quot;know&quot; that Obama&#039;s team did illegal things because -- well, it&#039;s easy to guess why you would think that

Your misrepresentation of FB&#039;s data policies (as well as those of other groups) concerning data is almost understandable, because FB makes finding out details as difficult as they can -- which is typical business practice. Still, it would be a breath of fresh air if you would, at least once, study the issues and make an attempt to understand details instead of making your typical statement from ignorance: they&#039;re the same as Obama but he was worse.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/03/19/cambridge-analytica-uncovered-secret-filming-reveals-election-tricks/#comment-576698">MikeN</a>.</p>
<p>CA is in the news because of the illegality they did once they decided to break FB&#8217;s terms of service. We are learning more about the activities each day. Your ignorant (or is it blatant dishonesty behind it) dismissal of their actions, coupled with your &#8220;it&#8217;s the same thing Obama&#8217;s team did&#8221; is typical for you. There is nothing to your assertions. </p>
<p>Either</p>
<p>&#8211; You don&#8217;t understand what happened because you didn&#8217;t read the reports<br />
&#8211; You &#8220;know&#8221; that Obama&#8217;s team did illegal things because &#8212; well, it&#8217;s easy to guess why you would think that</p>
<p>Your misrepresentation of FB&#8217;s data policies (as well as those of other groups) concerning data is almost understandable, because FB makes finding out details as difficult as they can &#8212; which is typical business practice. Still, it would be a breath of fresh air if you would, at least once, study the issues and make an attempt to understand details instead of making your typical statement from ignorance: they&#8217;re the same as Obama but he was worse.</p>
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		By: MikeN		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MikeN]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2018 21:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/03/19/cambridge-analytica-uncovered-secret-filming-reveals-election-tricks/#comment-576869&quot;&gt;dean&lt;/a&gt;.

With regards to mining Facebook to win elections, they are roughly the same.
Facebook is upset with CA over the policy violations, but it is not why CA is in the news now.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/03/19/cambridge-analytica-uncovered-secret-filming-reveals-election-tricks/#comment-576869">dean</a>.</p>
<p>With regards to mining Facebook to win elections, they are roughly the same.<br />
Facebook is upset with CA over the policy violations, but it is not why CA is in the news now.</p>
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		By: BBD		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BBD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2018 18:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/03/19/cambridge-analytica-uncovered-secret-filming-reveals-election-tricks/#comment-576869&quot;&gt;dean&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;blockquote&gt;When you hear people saying they did the same thing Obama’s organization did — they are telling you a massive lie.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You mean not just whataboutism, but &lt;i&gt;mendacious and misleading&lt;/i&gt; whataboutism? Shocked, I tell you. Who would *do* such a terrible thing?

And why?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/03/19/cambridge-analytica-uncovered-secret-filming-reveals-election-tricks/#comment-576869">dean</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>When you hear people saying they did the same thing Obama’s organization did — they are telling you a massive lie.</p></blockquote>
<p>You mean not just whataboutism, but <i>mendacious and misleading</i> whataboutism? Shocked, I tell you. Who would *do* such a terrible thing?</p>
<p>And why?</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2018 14:36:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Now that we have statements by the people who set up CA&#039;s operation we know (because they stated as such) that the way they treated the data they gathered was tremendously different from the way candidate and later President Obama&#039;s operation used it. CA repeatedly violated FB&#039;s terms of use, released the data to outside for profit organizations (also a violation), gave it to organizations led by other governments (violation), and repeatedly lied to FB by saying they had deleted the data when they had not.

When you hear people saying they did the same thing Obama&#039;s organization did -- they are telling you a massive lie.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now that we have statements by the people who set up CA&#8217;s operation we know (because they stated as such) that the way they treated the data they gathered was tremendously different from the way candidate and later President Obama&#8217;s operation used it. CA repeatedly violated FB&#8217;s terms of use, released the data to outside for profit organizations (also a violation), gave it to organizations led by other governments (violation), and repeatedly lied to FB by saying they had deleted the data when they had not.</p>
<p>When you hear people saying they did the same thing Obama&#8217;s organization did &#8212; they are telling you a massive lie.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MikeN]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2018 18:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Every time an individual volunteers to help out – for instance by offering to host a fundraising party for the president – he or she will be asked to log onto the re-election website with their Facebook credentials. That in turn will engage Facebook Connect, the digital interface that shares a user&#039;s personal information with a third party.

Consciously or otherwise, the individual volunteer will be injecting all the information they store publicly on their Facebook page – home location, date of birth, interests and, crucially, network of friends – directly into the central Obama database.&quot;
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/feb/17/obama-digital-data-machine-facebook-election
 &quot;If they contacted  the campaign website through mobile apps, cellphone numbers and address books were downloaded. Computer “cookies” captured Web browsing and online spending habits.&quot;
http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/28/16726913-obama-campaign-gives-database-of-millions-of-supporters-to-new-advocacy-group]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Every time an individual volunteers to help out – for instance by offering to host a fundraising party for the president – he or she will be asked to log onto the re-election website with their Facebook credentials. That in turn will engage Facebook Connect, the digital interface that shares a user&#8217;s personal information with a third party.</p>
<p>Consciously or otherwise, the individual volunteer will be injecting all the information they store publicly on their Facebook page – home location, date of birth, interests and, crucially, network of friends – directly into the central Obama database.&#8221;<br />
<a href="https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/feb/17/obama-digital-data-machine-facebook-election" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/feb/17/obama-digital-data-machine-facebook-election</a><br />
 &#8220;If they contacted  the campaign website through mobile apps, cellphone numbers and address books were downloaded. Computer “cookies” captured Web browsing and online spending habits.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/28/16726913-obama-campaign-gives-database-of-millions-of-supporters-to-new-advocacy-group" rel="nofollow ugc">http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/28/16726913-obama-campaign-gives-database-of-millions-of-supporters-to-new-advocacy-group</a></p>
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		By: Li D		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Li D]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2018 00:14:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/03/19/cambridge-analytica-uncovered-secret-filming-reveals-election-tricks/#comment-576477&quot;&gt;dean&lt;/a&gt;.

Agree. Sort of.
Jeez they are real shitheads but.
Need to have a good hard look at themselves, the dems.
The republicans are total scum. Intellectually bereft. Ethicaly bereft.
Lets not take ones eyes off the bigger picture which is i spose, bereftness.

People who love nukes but aint racist dont impress me at all in the same way 
a rapist who aint racist dosnt impress me.
Its not a feather in the dems cap that they aint overtly racist. Its not a platform. Its not special. Its just normal.
Whats not normal is being a nuke lover, and that they certainly are.
And noone ever calls em out hardly.
Fuck the donkeys and the elephants.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/03/19/cambridge-analytica-uncovered-secret-filming-reveals-election-tricks/#comment-576477">dean</a>.</p>
<p>Agree. Sort of.<br />
Jeez they are real shitheads but.<br />
Need to have a good hard look at themselves, the dems.<br />
The republicans are total scum. Intellectually bereft. Ethicaly bereft.<br />
Lets not take ones eyes off the bigger picture which is i spose, bereftness.</p>
<p>People who love nukes but aint racist dont impress me at all in the same way<br />
a rapist who aint racist dosnt impress me.<br />
Its not a feather in the dems cap that they aint overtly racist. Its not a platform. Its not special. Its just normal.<br />
Whats not normal is being a nuke lover, and that they certainly are.<br />
And noone ever calls em out hardly.<br />
Fuck the donkeys and the elephants.</p>
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