Yes, I should have thought of that. Being completely surrounded by shaving cream would make it hard to breathe, wouldn’t it?

Aw c’mon SteveP. “neanderthal traits”? No need to use stereotypes when there are real extant Homo sapiens that love guns too much. No reason to impute this to an extinct species, although one with which H. sap. could interbreed.

I have a few percent of “Neanderthal” in my genome according to one of those outfits that analyze your DNA, but I don’t have any traits that involve gun fondling or anything close. I understand that a couple of percent of Neandertal is common in the genomes of many people of European origin’s genomes and seems to be related to the immune system.

It’s just as reasonable to think that the clowns pushing “guns in schools” know that it would never work but do so simply to distract attention (by generating outrage at the thought) from discussions of things that might work.

Oops. “…water that literally [latterly] pulled the oxygen out of the atmosphere.”

“what if the school hallways could be filled with foam, something non-toxic like shaving cream?”

That immediately made me think about the fire, as in flames not from guns, suppression systems used on the hangars of aircraft carriers on which I served.

Two measures,

1 fire curtains descended to contain any fire.

2 high volume water spray which rapidly produced a dense fine mist of water that latterly pulled the oxygen out of the atmosphere.

Number 2 would have been lethal for anybody trapped in the hangar but then with all the fuels, oils and munitions around ignition and cook-offs could have ensued, anybody who has ever seen footage of the flight deck fire on the USS Forrestal (CV-59) will realise the potential. A modification of such a sprinkler system would be preferred in order to distract more than suck the life out of a crazed gunman and anybody unfortunate to be trapped with him/her. Yes I know this could initiate a hostage situation, but if all so contained were temporarily incapacitated that could avoid hostages being used for bargaining.

Containment measure could surely be implemented. Yes it costs but the the wealthy NRA, and their even wealthier backers (what do you say could stump up if they are serious about avoiding these mass murders whilst allowing the free use of weapons designed to kill or horribly maim many people in a few seconds. That is not to say the serious and effective restrictions on the ownership of such weapons should not be effected.

Loesch how low can you go with your despicable apologetics? The people who comment there have your measure.

at least some of the teachers had guns in their cars

In their cars, not on themselves. When a mad shooter starts a rampage in the school itself, it’s almost as useful as if the gun was on the other side of the moon.

“Scuse me, could you stop shooting a minute, I have to go fetch my gun?”

The shooting at Parkland lasted 6 minutes. By the time you went to your car and rushed back (if you feel like rushing back, certainly not a given as we have seen recently), most likely the action will be over.
And you will be a disheveled guy/lady running around, gun at hand, on a crime scene. Best way to be fired upon by SWAT.

Another point I wanted to emphasize: gun proponents are willfully conflating two scenarios.
– they keep saying that people – teachers, students, whatever – need guns to defend themselves.
– but they are actually asking teachers to defend other peoples. Not just two or three family members, but a full class of children. IOW, during a shooting spree, they are supposed to go purposely into harm’s way instead of looking for a safe place for their oneself.
This is the job of police officers, soldiers, or in a pinch security guards. That’s quite another set of expectations.

There probably are. Inventors like Dean Kamen should be brainstorming about this. I had the thought, “what if the school hallways could be filled with foam, something non-toxic like shaving cream?” I guess the downside is it would hamper first responders finding the shooter, or getting to those who’d already been shot. But I think it deserves consideration.

You have no idea why he acted as he did.

Now read the bit about shooters generally going in prepared to die again and try thinking instead of continuing to peddle bollocks.

+1

And the existence of teachers with guns would deter the shooters.

Like the existence of armed school security (itself an obscenity) deters shooters…

Like the existence of armed police deters shooters…

Like the existence of armed civilians deters shooters…

Oh, I see, there is deterence in the US – it’s just that we still see the occasional aberration…?

…Except that the US has one of the highest per capita rates of shooting, despite all those shooting-deterring guns…

Or perhaps guns don’t actually deter shooting the way you think they do…

You’re a victim of a diseased culture MikeN. Sadly, the disease has infected a large part of the US herd.