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		By: dean		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/11/25/roger-pielke-junior-telling-people-shut/#comment-555229</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dean]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2017 18:27:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;You evaluate people’s science based on how you like the result. &quot;

Well no, that&#039;s more the realm of you and other science deniers, but more importantly: who thinks of economics as a science?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You evaluate people’s science based on how you like the result. &#8221;</p>
<p>Well no, that&#8217;s more the realm of you and other science deniers, but more importantly: who thinks of economics as a science?</p>
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		By: MikeN		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/11/25/roger-pielke-junior-telling-people-shut/#comment-555224</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MikeN]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2017 18:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You evaluate people&#039;s science based on how you like the result.  Hard to take seriously when you endorsed Bill Nye&#039;s ridiculous DeflateGate &#039;experiment&#039;.

https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/01/31/did-the-patriots-deflate-their-balls-or-not/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You evaluate people&#8217;s science based on how you like the result.  Hard to take seriously when you endorsed Bill Nye&#8217;s ridiculous DeflateGate &#8216;experiment&#8217;.</p>
<p><a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/01/31/did-the-patriots-deflate-their-balls-or-not/" rel="ugc">https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/01/31/did-the-patriots-deflate-their-balls-or-not/</a></p>
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		By: Bernard J.		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/11/25/roger-pielke-junior-telling-people-shut/#comment-554952</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bernard J.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Nov 2017 01:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Simon Kuznets placed a &lt;i&gt;lot&lt;/i&gt; of caveats on the notion of GDP when he first wrote his submission* in 1934:

&lt;blockquote&gt;The valuable capacity of the human mind to simplify a complex situation in a compact characterization becomes dangerous when not controlled in terms of definitely stated criteria. With quantitative measurements especially, the definiteness of the result suggests, often misleadingly, a precision and simplicity in the outlines of the object measured. Measurements of national income are subject to this type of illusion and resulting abuse, especially since they deal with matters that are the center of conflict of opposing social groups where the effectiveness of an argument is often contingent upon oversimplification.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Whenever I see RPJ blathering, I can&#039;t help but wonder why he seems hell-bent on doing so without due deference to the giants on whose shoulders he tries to stand.

And then I remember the sort of person that he he appears to be...

*See pp 5-7 here:

https://fraser.stlouisfed.org/scribd/?title_id=971&#038;filepath=/files/docs/publications/natincome_1934/19340104_nationalinc.pdf

or for the Wikipedia tragics, a (critically limited...) summary here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gross_domestic_product#Limitations_and_criticisms]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simon Kuznets placed a <i>lot</i> of caveats on the notion of GDP when he first wrote his submission* in 1934:</p>
<blockquote><p>The valuable capacity of the human mind to simplify a complex situation in a compact characterization becomes dangerous when not controlled in terms of definitely stated criteria. With quantitative measurements especially, the definiteness of the result suggests, often misleadingly, a precision and simplicity in the outlines of the object measured. Measurements of national income are subject to this type of illusion and resulting abuse, especially since they deal with matters that are the center of conflict of opposing social groups where the effectiveness of an argument is often contingent upon oversimplification.</p></blockquote>
<p>Whenever I see RPJ blathering, I can&#8217;t help but wonder why he seems hell-bent on doing so without due deference to the giants on whose shoulders he tries to stand.</p>
<p>And then I remember the sort of person that he he appears to be&#8230;</p>
<p>*See pp 5-7 here:</p>
<p><a href="https://fraser.stlouisfed.org/scribd/?title_id=971&#038;filepath=/files/docs/publications/natincome_1934/19340104_nationalinc.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">https://fraser.stlouisfed.org/scribd/?title_id=971&#038;filepath=/files/docs/publications/natincome_1934/19340104_nationalinc.pdf</a></p>
<p>or for the Wikipedia tragics, a (critically limited&#8230;) summary here:</p>
<p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gross_domestic_product#Limitations_and_criticisms" rel="nofollow ugc">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gross_domestic_product#Limitations_and_criticisms</a></p>
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		By: Christopher Winter		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/11/25/roger-pielke-junior-telling-people-shut/#comment-554943</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christopher Winter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Nov 2017 23:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s hard to dispute the contention that spending to recover from a natural disaster increases the GDP, because at least some of the things the recovery spending would otherwise have gone toward cannot be deferred.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s hard to dispute the contention that spending to recover from a natural disaster increases the GDP, because at least some of the things the recovery spending would otherwise have gone toward cannot be deferred.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/11/25/roger-pielke-junior-telling-people-shut/#comment-554940</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Nov 2017 22:56:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/11/25/roger-pielke-junior-telling-people-shut/#comment-554932&quot;&gt;Jeff Harvey&lt;/a&gt;.

That analysis does not address the issue at hand.

Likely, disasters ultimately reduce GDP for various stated reasons. That, however, is not what we are talking about. There are various ways to index GDP, which are approximations.  Some of these methods provide a larger number due to effects of disasters. Then, you get the larger number and you can use it as a Pielkian denominator.  

This has little to do with actual GDP.  

However, note that if taxes are ultimately increased in order to pay for rebuilding, and rebuilding uses US based companies and materials, in a world in which outsourcing is a major factor, there could be a positive nation-wide impact, I suppose. 

But again, this has little or nothing to do with actual productivity. It has more to do with how to cook the books so it looks like climate impacts are not as severe as &quot;alarmists&quot; claim.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/11/25/roger-pielke-junior-telling-people-shut/#comment-554932">Jeff Harvey</a>.</p>
<p>That analysis does not address the issue at hand.</p>
<p>Likely, disasters ultimately reduce GDP for various stated reasons. That, however, is not what we are talking about. There are various ways to index GDP, which are approximations.  Some of these methods provide a larger number due to effects of disasters. Then, you get the larger number and you can use it as a Pielkian denominator.  </p>
<p>This has little to do with actual GDP.  </p>
<p>However, note that if taxes are ultimately increased in order to pay for rebuilding, and rebuilding uses US based companies and materials, in a world in which outsourcing is a major factor, there could be a positive nation-wide impact, I suppose. </p>
<p>But again, this has little or nothing to do with actual productivity. It has more to do with how to cook the books so it looks like climate impacts are not as severe as &#8220;alarmists&#8221; claim.</p>
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		By: Jeff Harvey		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/11/25/roger-pielke-junior-telling-people-shut/#comment-554932</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Harvey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Nov 2017 21:48:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In the current world where humans are waging a full on assault on our ecological life support systems, Hazlitt&#039;s ideas belong in the Jurassic.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the current world where humans are waging a full on assault on our ecological life support systems, Hazlitt&#8217;s ideas belong in the Jurassic.</p>
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		By: BBD		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/11/25/roger-pielke-junior-telling-people-shut/#comment-554931</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BBD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Nov 2017 21:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/11/25/roger-pielke-junior-telling-people-shut/#comment-554927&quot;&gt;RickA&lt;/a&gt;.

For the nuance, informative analysis &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.economy.com/dismal/analysis/free/296804&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; from Moody&#039;s.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/11/25/roger-pielke-junior-telling-people-shut/#comment-554927">RickA</a>.</p>
<p>For the nuance, informative analysis <a href="https://www.economy.com/dismal/analysis/free/296804" rel="nofollow">here</a> from Moody&#8217;s.</p>
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		By: BBD		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/11/25/roger-pielke-junior-telling-people-shut/#comment-554930</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BBD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Nov 2017 21:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/11/25/roger-pielke-junior-telling-people-shut/#comment-554927&quot;&gt;RickA&lt;/a&gt;.

Disaster impacts on economic activity reduce GDP.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/11/25/roger-pielke-junior-telling-people-shut/#comment-554927">RickA</a>.</p>
<p>Disaster impacts on economic activity reduce GDP.</p>
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		By: RickA		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RickA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Nov 2017 20:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The money spent on disaster relief and repairing damaged property is money that would have been spent elsewhere.  It doesn&#039;t push up GDP, it just moves money around within the existing GDP.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The money spent on disaster relief and repairing damaged property is money that would have been spent elsewhere.  It doesn&#8217;t push up GDP, it just moves money around within the existing GDP.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/11/25/roger-pielke-junior-telling-people-shut/#comment-554921</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Nov 2017 19:50:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[MikeN you need to explain exactly where the broken window fallacy is operating here, because your comment is ambiguous in that regard.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MikeN you need to explain exactly where the broken window fallacy is operating here, because your comment is ambiguous in that regard.</p>
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