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		By: J		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/10/20/general-kelly-charges-hill-trump/#comment-649726</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2018 20:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As much as I loathe Trump, his den of thieves, and Kelly&#039;s &#039;yes man&#039; posture, you are a little off on a couple of points regarding the U.S. Marine Corps, and its culture. 
1. Even retired, one never stops *being* a Marine. Thus, the phrase &quot;Once a Marine, ALWAYS a Marine.&quot;
2. The oath does not itself expire, only the enforceable jurisdiction of the UCMJ which service members are subject to. 
The Oliver North example is faulty because North was still actively serving as a Presidential National Security Advisor in uniform when he lied to Congress.
3. Kelly&#039;s son died a Marine, not a &quot;soldier.&quot; Invoking a man&#039;s dead son here seems a bit much here.
4. While North broke the law, and we agree on Kelly&#039;s poor choice of current employer, it&#039;s absurd and unnecessary to cast aspersions upon the loyalty and service that the U.S. Marine Corps has provided this country for 242 years. I served in it for 6 of those years.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As much as I loathe Trump, his den of thieves, and Kelly&#8217;s &#8216;yes man&#8217; posture, you are a little off on a couple of points regarding the U.S. Marine Corps, and its culture.<br />
1. Even retired, one never stops *being* a Marine. Thus, the phrase &#8220;Once a Marine, ALWAYS a Marine.&#8221;<br />
2. The oath does not itself expire, only the enforceable jurisdiction of the UCMJ which service members are subject to.<br />
The Oliver North example is faulty because North was still actively serving as a Presidential National Security Advisor in uniform when he lied to Congress.<br />
3. Kelly&#8217;s son died a Marine, not a &#8220;soldier.&#8221; Invoking a man&#8217;s dead son here seems a bit much here.<br />
4. While North broke the law, and we agree on Kelly&#8217;s poor choice of current employer, it&#8217;s absurd and unnecessary to cast aspersions upon the loyalty and service that the U.S. Marine Corps has provided this country for 242 years. I served in it for 6 of those years.</p>
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		By: MikeN		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/10/20/general-kelly-charges-hill-trump/#comment-551101</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Oct 2017 22:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[On health care, Trump canceled illegal payments and sent it to Congress to deal with it, which they can do by putting the payments in the budget.  On immigration Trump followed the law and ended DACA, again sending it to Congress to deal with it.  On Iran deal, he refused to certify something that wasn&#039;t true, and left it to Congress to decide if they wish to reimpose sanctions. 
A lot of following the Constitution.  Should Obama&#039;s Chief of Staff had resigned when Obama decided to do a recess appointment while the Senate was technically in session, declaring by himself that the Senate was not in session(losing 9-0 at the Supreme Court)?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On health care, Trump canceled illegal payments and sent it to Congress to deal with it, which they can do by putting the payments in the budget.  On immigration Trump followed the law and ended DACA, again sending it to Congress to deal with it.  On Iran deal, he refused to certify something that wasn&#8217;t true, and left it to Congress to decide if they wish to reimpose sanctions.<br />
A lot of following the Constitution.  Should Obama&#8217;s Chief of Staff had resigned when Obama decided to do a recess appointment while the Senate was technically in session, declaring by himself that the Senate was not in session(losing 9-0 at the Supreme Court)?</p>
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		By: dean		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/10/20/general-kelly-charges-hill-trump/#comment-452429</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2017 23:15:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[How do you know a story is fake?

- It&#039;s on daily caller
- it hints at Hillary Clinton selling uranium to the russians
- the &quot;Ghost Stories&quot; story shows up on only the long-running haven for liars and charlatans

I&#039;m amazed at how blind hatred and lack of willingness to do basic fact checking results in these bogus stories being spread.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do you know a story is fake?</p>
<p>&#8211; It&#8217;s on daily caller<br />
&#8211; it hints at Hillary Clinton selling uranium to the russians<br />
&#8211; the &#8220;Ghost Stories&#8221; story shows up on only the long-running haven for liars and charlatans</p>
<p>I&#8217;m amazed at how blind hatred and lack of willingness to do basic fact checking results in these bogus stories being spread.</p>
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		By: Li D		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/10/20/general-kelly-charges-hill-trump/#comment-452420</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2017 20:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Re. The sticker idea saying &quot; support our troops &quot;.
Isnt there something just a little bit odd in declaring
support for a group who are literally trained to kill? 
Highly, expertly, trained at that. How about, support nurses, as an example.  What a patriotic thing to do eh? Every country absolutly depends on nurses.
Beyond that, i personally find superficial displays of patriotism a tad vulgar. Perhaps its just me, but i dont broadcast my emotional feelings to passing traffic. I would never have a sticker saying &quot; I love my partner &quot; or
or somesuch .
Just a couple of things that arose whilst reading.
I actually seen some USA marines the other day.
So outrageously young looking. With odd physiques compared to Australian troops. Puffier sorta.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re. The sticker idea saying &#8221; support our troops &#8220;.<br />
Isnt there something just a little bit odd in declaring<br />
support for a group who are literally trained to kill?<br />
Highly, expertly, trained at that. How about, support nurses, as an example.  What a patriotic thing to do eh? Every country absolutly depends on nurses.<br />
Beyond that, i personally find superficial displays of patriotism a tad vulgar. Perhaps its just me, but i dont broadcast my emotional feelings to passing traffic. I would never have a sticker saying &#8221; I love my partner &#8221; or<br />
or somesuch .<br />
Just a couple of things that arose whilst reading.<br />
I actually seen some USA marines the other day.<br />
So outrageously young looking. With odd physiques compared to Australian troops. Puffier sorta.</p>
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		By: MikeN		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/10/20/general-kelly-charges-hill-trump/#comment-452418</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2017 20:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[How&#039;s it feel to be in agreement with Bill Kristol?  What next, war over Ukraine?
https://twitter.com/BillKristol/status/897796466869227520]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How&#8217;s it feel to be in agreement with Bill Kristol?  What next, war over Ukraine?<br />
<a href="https://twitter.com/BillKristol/status/897796466869227520" rel="nofollow ugc">https://twitter.com/BillKristol/status/897796466869227520</a></p>
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		By: dean		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/10/20/general-kelly-charges-hill-trump/#comment-452417</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2017 19:43:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m perplexed by Kelly&#039;s comments supporting Trump&#039;s words to the soldier&#039;s family. At first I thought his reaction was due to the fact that the counsel he said he received was from one man with a long family history of military service to another (Kelly) with the same family history, so he didn&#039;t have a feel for how a family without that military heritage would be dealing with the death of a loved one. 

But then I realized he should be able to make that distinction. So ...

Haven&#039;t thought about North,  one of the great traitors to the United States in recorded history, for some time. Pure scum -- thinking that it was fine to follow Reagan&#039;s orders (only an idiot would think that Reagan didn&#039;t know and condone the actions) to work with terrorists, lie about it, and shred an untold amount of paperwork in order to avoid the law. 

No regard for the Marines his boss got killed in Lebanon. No regard for the law. No regard for honesty or integrity. Kelly doesn&#039;t come of well in this bit of politics: North doesn&#039;t come out well in any way as a human being.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m perplexed by Kelly&#8217;s comments supporting Trump&#8217;s words to the soldier&#8217;s family. At first I thought his reaction was due to the fact that the counsel he said he received was from one man with a long family history of military service to another (Kelly) with the same family history, so he didn&#8217;t have a feel for how a family without that military heritage would be dealing with the death of a loved one. </p>
<p>But then I realized he should be able to make that distinction. So &#8230;</p>
<p>Haven&#8217;t thought about North,  one of the great traitors to the United States in recorded history, for some time. Pure scum &#8212; thinking that it was fine to follow Reagan&#8217;s orders (only an idiot would think that Reagan didn&#8217;t know and condone the actions) to work with terrorists, lie about it, and shred an untold amount of paperwork in order to avoid the law. </p>
<p>No regard for the Marines his boss got killed in Lebanon. No regard for the law. No regard for honesty or integrity. Kelly doesn&#8217;t come of well in this bit of politics: North doesn&#8217;t come out well in any way as a human being.</p>
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