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		By: Marco		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marco]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2017 19:54:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[No, Jeff, I am not saying both are the same. I say they both use the same argument against RICO being applied to them. And *that* should be food for thought. It is as if you are arguing that organizations like Greenpeace can not be wrong and/or willfully distort the truth, thereby gathering millions in donations on a false basis. And yet, Greenpeace does (see below).

Kermit, Greenpeace may largely follow the IPCC on climate change, in several other areas it happily ignores science or cherrypicks science, in particular related to GMOs and nuclear power. All because of the fear of corporations...while acting as one: maximizing donations.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, Jeff, I am not saying both are the same. I say they both use the same argument against RICO being applied to them. And *that* should be food for thought. It is as if you are arguing that organizations like Greenpeace can not be wrong and/or willfully distort the truth, thereby gathering millions in donations on a false basis. And yet, Greenpeace does (see below).</p>
<p>Kermit, Greenpeace may largely follow the IPCC on climate change, in several other areas it happily ignores science or cherrypicks science, in particular related to GMOs and nuclear power. All because of the fear of corporations&#8230;while acting as one: maximizing donations.</p>
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		By: kermit		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kermit]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Oct 2017 20:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;I’d like to note that Greenpeace is using the same excuse as the fossil fuel companies re RICO. Food for thought.&quot;

Greenpeace has the IPCC and most scientific organizations supporting their claims. For claims of fact about the world, at least the sort that scientists are concerned with, there is no better support.

MikeN has a more significant point, but laws are usually applied as they are written, not as they are intended. I don&#039;t see any mass movement protesting the RICO laws being misapplied, and that process leading to new legislation, were it to occur, would be too late for this suit.

Higher_Martin may have hit on a significant factor that may never be discussed in the open during the proceedings - the judges may make decisions sometimes, partly, based on how they think it may be applied in the future. More often perhaps it merely subtly affects the phrasing and alleged reasons behind any decision.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’d like to note that Greenpeace is using the same excuse as the fossil fuel companies re RICO. Food for thought.&#8221;</p>
<p>Greenpeace has the IPCC and most scientific organizations supporting their claims. For claims of fact about the world, at least the sort that scientists are concerned with, there is no better support.</p>
<p>MikeN has a more significant point, but laws are usually applied as they are written, not as they are intended. I don&#8217;t see any mass movement protesting the RICO laws being misapplied, and that process leading to new legislation, were it to occur, would be too late for this suit.</p>
<p>Higher_Martin may have hit on a significant factor that may never be discussed in the open during the proceedings &#8211; the judges may make decisions sometimes, partly, based on how they think it may be applied in the future. More often perhaps it merely subtly affects the phrasing and alleged reasons behind any decision.</p>
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		By: L.Long		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/10/05/on-that-chilling-law-suit-against-the-environmental-groups/#comment-456118</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[L.Long]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Oct 2017 13:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Not true Higher!  It does not just include MOST...It includes ALL churches and religions!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not true Higher!  It does not just include MOST&#8230;It includes ALL churches and religions!</p>
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		By: Jeff Harvey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Harvey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Oct 2017 08:34:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Marco, if you are somehow equating the actions of Greenpeace, an NGO that depends on its members for funding, with those of a powerful, multinational corporation, which is legally obliged to maximize profit, irrespective of the social or environmental consequences, then you have severely lost the plot.

Corporations are private tyrannies. They have co-opted much of democracy and have been ruunning the show in the US for over 30 years. If we are unable to leash and tether them very soon, then our species has little prospect for longer term survival. Moreover, NGOs like Greenpeace exist solely because our political and economic systems have vomited up an ideology that is willing to commit ecocide and genocide in slow motion to assuage the gluttonous aspirations of the privileged few.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marco, if you are somehow equating the actions of Greenpeace, an NGO that depends on its members for funding, with those of a powerful, multinational corporation, which is legally obliged to maximize profit, irrespective of the social or environmental consequences, then you have severely lost the plot.</p>
<p>Corporations are private tyrannies. They have co-opted much of democracy and have been ruunning the show in the US for over 30 years. If we are unable to leash and tether them very soon, then our species has little prospect for longer term survival. Moreover, NGOs like Greenpeace exist solely because our political and economic systems have vomited up an ideology that is willing to commit ecocide and genocide in slow motion to assuage the gluttonous aspirations of the privileged few.</p>
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		By: Higher_Martin		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/10/05/on-that-chilling-law-suit-against-the-environmental-groups/#comment-456116</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Higher_Martin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2017 20:50:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Fundraising &quot;...campaigns are consistently based on sensational misinformation untethered to facts or science, but crafted instead to induce strong emotions and, thereby, donations.” 

Wouldn&#039;t this include most churches and religious organizations?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fundraising &#8220;&#8230;campaigns are consistently based on sensational misinformation untethered to facts or science, but crafted instead to induce strong emotions and, thereby, donations.” </p>
<p>Wouldn&#8217;t this include most churches and religious organizations?</p>
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		By: MikeN		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MikeN]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2017 07:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[They mention how RICO is intended to be used against mobsters.  I wonder if people will reconsider trying to use RICO against fossil fuel companies.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They mention how RICO is intended to be used against mobsters.  I wonder if people will reconsider trying to use RICO against fossil fuel companies.</p>
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		By: Marco		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marco]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2017 06:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;d like to note that Greenpeace is using the same excuse as the fossil fuel companies re RICO. Food for thought.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to note that Greenpeace is using the same excuse as the fossil fuel companies re RICO. Food for thought.</p>
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