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		By: Mark		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/09/26/future-farms-will-be-run-by-robots/#comment-455854</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Sep 2017 18:04:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Automation in agricultural has allowed cities to expand well beyond what was possible before the age of fossil fuels.   

I just finished picking some pears and table grapes from our little orchard (vs a row crop farm).     Existing vineyards and orchards in hilly areas were not designed for automated picking.   

It’s been 25 years since I spent time in Beijing so I don’t know if the new generation of technical, and governmental, elites still think the cultural revolution was worthwhile in terms of  ensuring the lives of the poor are considered in developing  plans/strategy.   

Ref point 10 and 11  https://creativeconflictwisdom.wordpress.com/2017/09/25/strategy-by-any-other-name-would-sound-as-unacceptable/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Automation in agricultural has allowed cities to expand well beyond what was possible before the age of fossil fuels.   </p>
<p>I just finished picking some pears and table grapes from our little orchard (vs a row crop farm).     Existing vineyards and orchards in hilly areas were not designed for automated picking.   </p>
<p>It’s been 25 years since I spent time in Beijing so I don’t know if the new generation of technical, and governmental, elites still think the cultural revolution was worthwhile in terms of  ensuring the lives of the poor are considered in developing  plans/strategy.   </p>
<p>Ref point 10 and 11  <a href="https://creativeconflictwisdom.wordpress.com/2017/09/25/strategy-by-any-other-name-would-sound-as-unacceptable/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://creativeconflictwisdom.wordpress.com/2017/09/25/strategy-by-any-other-name-would-sound-as-unacceptable/</a></p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Sep 2017 12:02:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/09/26/future-farms-will-be-run-by-robots/#comment-455851&quot;&gt;Steven E&lt;/a&gt;.

What is a small farm?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/09/26/future-farms-will-be-run-by-robots/#comment-455851">Steven E</a>.</p>
<p>What is a small farm?</p>
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		By: MikeN		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MikeN]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Sep 2017 08:17:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&#062;It hurts Wisconsin farmers and helps California farmers 

Required to charge more -&#062; less sales.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;It hurts Wisconsin farmers and helps California farmers </p>
<p>Required to charge more -&gt; less sales.</p>
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		By: Steven E		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/09/26/future-farms-will-be-run-by-robots/#comment-455851</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steven E]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Sep 2017 04:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;they seem to not mention that a typical large scale farm these days (as most farms are) is a multi tens of millions of dollars business sitting on enormously valuable land. /blockquote&#062;
Yup, and they screw over smaller farmers at every opportunity.
Many of the large scale &quot;farmers&quot; now wear suits and live in mansions, while sending others out to do the work. 
Subsidies have majorly screwed up what food production and farming should earn, as well as costs to consumers. Government subsides severely distort food costs - and why are we subsidizing products like high fructose corn syrup anyway?? They are very damaging to health.
ugh]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>they seem to not mention that a typical large scale farm these days (as most farms are) is a multi tens of millions of dollars business sitting on enormously valuable land. /blockquote&gt;<br />
Yup, and they screw over smaller farmers at every opportunity.<br />
Many of the large scale &#8220;farmers&#8221; now wear suits and live in mansions, while sending others out to do the work.<br />
Subsidies have majorly screwed up what food production and farming should earn, as well as costs to consumers. Government subsides severely distort food costs &#8211; and why are we subsidizing products like high fructose corn syrup anyway?? They are very damaging to health.<br />
ugh</p></blockquote>
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		By: dean		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dean]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Sep 2017 21:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot; Wisconsin makes about 3 billion pounds of cheese a year, and over half of that goes to Mexico.&quot;

That&#039;s what I said. My primary point was to counter the idea that NAFTA did not influence this, because that isn&#039;t what the data says.

The secondary point was that the system of subsidies simply makes the problem worse.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; Wisconsin makes about 3 billion pounds of cheese a year, and over half of that goes to Mexico.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s what I said. My primary point was to counter the idea that NAFTA did not influence this, because that isn&#8217;t what the data says.</p>
<p>The secondary point was that the system of subsidies simply makes the problem worse.</p>
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		By: gilbert		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gilbert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Sep 2017 21:01:12 +0000</pubDate>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZ0JGjKYVdU" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZ0JGjKYVdU</a></p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Sep 2017 19:46:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/09/26/future-farms-will-be-run-by-robots/#comment-455847&quot;&gt;dean&lt;/a&gt;.

Dean I was speaking only of cheese. Wisconsin exports a lot of things to Canada, some of which is agricultural, and some of that is dairy, and some of that is cheese.  Wisconsin makes about 3 billion pounds of cheese a year, and over half of that goes to Mexico.  A bunch goes elsewhere in the US. Canada does not take over half of Wisconsin cheese. If so, that has changed in just a few months and it is not recorded anywhere obvious. 

But yes, you are correct in that we can expand the argument without damaging it at all, to include all dairy from Wisconsin or all agriculture from Wisconsin, and we find that NAFTA, which applies to both Canada and the US, keep Wisconsin from becoming West Virginia.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/09/26/future-farms-will-be-run-by-robots/#comment-455847">dean</a>.</p>
<p>Dean I was speaking only of cheese. Wisconsin exports a lot of things to Canada, some of which is agricultural, and some of that is dairy, and some of that is cheese.  Wisconsin makes about 3 billion pounds of cheese a year, and over half of that goes to Mexico.  A bunch goes elsewhere in the US. Canada does not take over half of Wisconsin cheese. If so, that has changed in just a few months and it is not recorded anywhere obvious. </p>
<p>But yes, you are correct in that we can expand the argument without damaging it at all, to include all dairy from Wisconsin or all agriculture from Wisconsin, and we find that NAFTA, which applies to both Canada and the US, keep Wisconsin from becoming West Virginia.</p>
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		By: dean		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dean]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Sep 2017 19:30:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mexico is second behind Canada in importing Wisconsin products, and it takes in over half of the annual &quot;cheese product&quot; from Wisconsin. The market has been growing, and analysts in WI lay it to provisions in NAFTA, contrary to the naysayers. 

A bigger issue is what removing NAFTA agreements could do to the general economy in WI, where a good percentage of the workforce is tied to the dairy industry. Big hits to dairy could translate to big losses -- not a simple thing to predict, however.

This is even more complicated by the absurdly high subsidies paid to (dairy and non-dairy) farmers to keep prices low. (The same issue applies to subsidies paid to fossil fuel suppliers.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mexico is second behind Canada in importing Wisconsin products, and it takes in over half of the annual &#8220;cheese product&#8221; from Wisconsin. The market has been growing, and analysts in WI lay it to provisions in NAFTA, contrary to the naysayers. </p>
<p>A bigger issue is what removing NAFTA agreements could do to the general economy in WI, where a good percentage of the workforce is tied to the dairy industry. Big hits to dairy could translate to big losses &#8212; not a simple thing to predict, however.</p>
<p>This is even more complicated by the absurdly high subsidies paid to (dairy and non-dairy) farmers to keep prices low. (The same issue applies to subsidies paid to fossil fuel suppliers.)</p>
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		By: RickA		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RickA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Sep 2017 19:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[MikeN #1:

Yes - Eau Claire I believe.

Government price fixing at its finest.

It hurts Wisconsin farmers and helps California farmers (who get to charge much more for their milk).

Totally unfair in the modern world, with refrigerated vehicles.

They should get rid of that law and let the market decide what the price of milk is.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MikeN #1:</p>
<p>Yes &#8211; Eau Claire I believe.</p>
<p>Government price fixing at its finest.</p>
<p>It hurts Wisconsin farmers and helps California farmers (who get to charge much more for their milk).</p>
<p>Totally unfair in the modern world, with refrigerated vehicles.</p>
<p>They should get rid of that law and let the market decide what the price of milk is.</p>
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		By: MikeN		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MikeN]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Sep 2017 18:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[NAFTA&#039;s impact on Wisconsin dairy is overstated.  There was a preexisting federal law that set prices based on distance from some place in Wisconsin.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NAFTA&#8217;s impact on Wisconsin dairy is overstated.  There was a preexisting federal law that set prices based on distance from some place in Wisconsin.</p>
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