Comments on: Statue of Liberty, White Supremacy, and the Immigrant Question https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/08/03/statue-of-liberty-white-supremacy-and-the-immigrant-question/ Wed, 01 Jul 2020 10:11:33 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.8 By: Joseph M. https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/08/03/statue-of-liberty-white-supremacy-and-the-immigrant-question/#comment-881870 Wed, 01 Jul 2020 10:11:33 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/?p=24352#comment-881870 Well, now, here we are – almost three years after Greg penned this blog.

As we approach yet another “INDEPENDENCE DAY,” with Donald J. Trump on the verge of incinerating Mount Rushmore – which I personally feel would be good riddance, as I’ve never liked the idea of defacing a magnificent natural geological monument with an artificial sculpture, no matter how elegant the design or exquisite its execution – this short video by Ken Burns and James Baldwin on the mixed significance of “Lady Liberty” has never been more timely:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W08bTFhuwKs

]]> By: SteveP https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/08/03/statue-of-liberty-white-supremacy-and-the-immigrant-question/#comment-454366 Sat, 05 Aug 2017 15:12:14 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/?p=24352#comment-454366 What makes people like Stephen Miller, Steve Bannon, and Donald Trump act as if they are members of some superior race and culture? Can you imagine what a tribe descended from these sires would be like? Imagine a tribe of highly unattractive, humorless sociopaths and psychopaths with the emotional maturity of children, a tribe without honor, who must win at any cost, lying, cheating, and hurting without regard to the wants or needs of others; a tribe for whom science is little more than some annoying guild to be exploited and then ignored. Somehow that doesn’t sound very superior to me. Sounds more like Lord of the Flies, only worse.

]]> By: Wow https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/08/03/statue-of-liberty-white-supremacy-and-the-immigrant-question/#comment-454365 Sat, 05 Aug 2017 12:05:32 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/?p=24352#comment-454365 And so what?

Homer Simpson once said weaselling out of things is what separates us from the animals. Except the weasels.

Why are you trying to weasel out of the truth?

]]> By: MikeN https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/08/03/statue-of-liberty-white-supremacy-and-the-immigrant-question/#comment-454364 Sat, 05 Aug 2017 01:22:08 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/?p=24352#comment-454364 Shelley said poets are the unacknowledged legislators of the world. Jim Acosta took him literally.

Shelley does say that downstream of the poets are the people who focus on utility.

]]> By: Wow https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/08/03/statue-of-liberty-white-supremacy-and-the-immigrant-question/#comment-454363 Sat, 05 Aug 2017 00:51:50 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/?p=24352#comment-454363 Where was the poem before 1903, “Mike”? You’ve said where the plaque was, but where was the poem? It was written three years before the statue was complete, so where was it before the plaque?

]]> By: Wow https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/08/03/statue-of-liberty-white-supremacy-and-the-immigrant-question/#comment-454362 Sat, 05 Aug 2017 00:41:31 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/?p=24352#comment-454362 “Your whole analogy breaks down there.”

Nope, it makes it even more relevant. The USA had the ideas before they actually singed the original creation of the union, and despite that, failed to live up to what they had previously agreed to do, showing that not having that lived up to that ideal was irrelevant to whether the ideal existed or not.

You’re a seriously weird fucking retard, “Mike”.

]]> By: Wow https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/08/03/statue-of-liberty-white-supremacy-and-the-immigrant-question/#comment-454361 Sat, 05 Aug 2017 00:39:10 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/?p=24352#comment-454361 Who are you talking to now?

PS the poem was part of a campaign to raise funds for the monument since it was not going to be completed without a cash injection. About 12,000 people donating on average less than a dollar was raised. That poem was part of the money raising thing.

PPS so what if it wasn’t in 1920? If it was not meant to be relevant, why did they put it up there and leave it for near 100 years with no comment and ALSO make so many pats on the back over that very specific poem?

Because people back then, even rightwingers, wanted to be something rather than, having failed to reach the sky, say that they never wanted it and it was never a goal.

Spoiled milk.

]]> By: MikeN https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/08/03/statue-of-liberty-white-supremacy-and-the-immigrant-question/#comment-454360 Fri, 04 Aug 2017 23:54:11 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/?p=24352#comment-454360 “significant reductions in wages for blue collar workers, massive displacement of African American and Hispanic workers, as well as the displacement of immigrant workers from previous years who oftentimes compete directly against new arrivals who are being paid even less.”

White supremacist dog whistle from the new Hitler.

]]> By: MikeN https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/08/03/statue-of-liberty-white-supremacy-and-the-immigrant-question/#comment-454359 Fri, 04 Aug 2017 23:38:27 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/?p=24352#comment-454359 You know the poem wasn’t installed in the 1920s right? Your whole analogy breaks down there.

]]> By: Wow https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/08/03/statue-of-liberty-white-supremacy-and-the-immigrant-question/#comment-454358 Fri, 04 Aug 2017 23:36:19 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/?p=24352#comment-454358 Did that question really have nothing to do with your claim? Even before the bill of rights, the USA operated contrary to the document. Therefore the USA does not exist and it was a slave state
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Unarguably, none of that bum gravy you poured out there actually supported your claim. It just showed that the USA’s ideals were not reached. Just that they had at that time an ASPIRATION to that level.

Now you aspire to pretend you never wanted to be any good in the first place…

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