Doesn’t look like dick is gonna get to complain that we have to wait for the courts to decide.

Aawww. He has to thank the transgendered for keeping him and his safe. It must be heartbreaking for him.

I want to congratulate RickA for providing the reference in #265 that completely supports everything I have said so far, and completely invalidates everything RickA has said.

This is required reading for anyone who seriously wants to discuss the topic. If you can’t reference this to make your point, you don’t have a point.

You mean that if they look like a man, they shower in the mens’ showers and if they look like a woman, they shower in the womens’ showers?

Whodathunkit.

And why on earth would the supreme court get to rule the military wrong? It’s not a judicial issue. Either medical or operational, and neither of those make it the court’s business.

Who’d’a guessed. Dick demanding government overreach!!!

Wrong.

A sex change operation, the surgery you’re talking about, DOES change someone’s biological sex. By changing their biology.

Good grief. Do you mean you were wrong all along and that the military don’t say that their sex hasn’t changed?

“Of course, this is biologically wrong”

Ah, of course. You disagree therefore the military are wrong.

But, hey, your opinion has no bearing on them or their rules.

Here is a link: https://www.defense.gov/Portals/1/features/2016/0616_policy/DoDTGHandbook_093016.pdf?ver=2016-09-30-160933-837

I took a look at this and it looks to me like the gender is only changed in the database once gender transition is complete (i.e. surgery and hormone treating). Once gender transition is complete than the military takes the position that the persons sex has changed and alters the sex in their database.

Of course, this is biologically wrong and that will be what is litigated. Surgery doesn’t change a persons biological sex, it merely changes their outer appearance.

We will have to wait for the Supreme Court to weigh in on this issue.

I do note that according to this policy, a person who doesn’t have surgery will have to shower with their own biological sex, whether they declare they are transgender or not.

A person who has completed gender transition surgery is permitted to shower with people of the opposite sex.

Which isn’t relevant here.

“a religious issue”

cf ‘thou shall not kill’.

“showering with people of the opposite sex”

They aren’t.

“I don’t think the military can force people of the opposite sex to shower together”

Yes they can. And sometimes have to.

But it’s not the case here, so what.

I agree with you that if there is a way that the military can accommodate transgender people without violating the rights of other people, than they should do that. If that involves a single person unisex bathroom and/or shower, I am all for it.

I would let transgender people serve.

But we have to protect everybody’s rights in the process.

Including the right of privacy and (for a few) a religious issue with showering with people of the opposite sex. Other than the bathroom/shower issue, which can be handled with separate accommodations for transgender people, there are no rights violated by how people dress, so I think it is totally doable.

I don’t think the military can force people of the opposite sex to shower together. But the courts will ultimately decide that issue.

Perhaps you can give a reference for where you got your “impression”?

(Other than the opinion of some right-wing blogger, Fakes News, and other disreputable sources.)