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		By: Wow		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/07/03/tesla-model-3-is-breakthrough-technology/#comment-453782</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jul 2017 10:14:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Wish that was how it was when I was driving on 55MPH roads&quot;

So you were a willing participant in the death and dismemberment of people on the roads, &quot;mike&quot;? Why then were you complaining that people don&#039;t take it seriously enough earlier? YOU WANT IT EVEN HIGHER!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Wish that was how it was when I was driving on 55MPH roads&#8221;</p>
<p>So you were a willing participant in the death and dismemberment of people on the roads, &#8220;mike&#8221;? Why then were you complaining that people don&#8217;t take it seriously enough earlier? YOU WANT IT EVEN HIGHER!</p>
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		By: Wow		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/07/03/tesla-model-3-is-breakthrough-technology/#comment-453781</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jul 2017 10:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Jeez thats the most infantile dumbest argument in history of
arguments.&quot;

It&#039;s also wrong. If it were not for the extreme design of the cockpit, the death toll for F1 would be orders of magnitude higher per man-mile.

There would be vastly fewer survivors, but many many many more deaths.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Jeez thats the most infantile dumbest argument in history of<br />
arguments.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also wrong. If it were not for the extreme design of the cockpit, the death toll for F1 would be orders of magnitude higher per man-mile.</p>
<p>There would be vastly fewer survivors, but many many many more deaths.</p>
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		By: Wow		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/07/03/tesla-model-3-is-breakthrough-technology/#comment-453780</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jul 2017 10:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;The number of accidents could be lower.&quot;

Nope.

Faster means less time to react and therefore you&#039;re less liable to avoid them. And if you&#039;re faster, then you have less traction on the ground making it again more likely to crash or lose control and have an accident.

And, as said before, if someone has an accident before you, you&#039;re more likely to get involved.

&quot;Where is this big increase in deaths after the elimination of federal 55 speed limit?&quot;

Weren&#039;t you the one pointing out to the massive death toll? THERE is the big increase in deaths after the elimination of the 55 limit.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The number of accidents could be lower.&#8221;</p>
<p>Nope.</p>
<p>Faster means less time to react and therefore you&#8217;re less liable to avoid them. And if you&#8217;re faster, then you have less traction on the ground making it again more likely to crash or lose control and have an accident.</p>
<p>And, as said before, if someone has an accident before you, you&#8217;re more likely to get involved.</p>
<p>&#8220;Where is this big increase in deaths after the elimination of federal 55 speed limit?&#8221;</p>
<p>Weren&#8217;t you the one pointing out to the massive death toll? THERE is the big increase in deaths after the elimination of the 55 limit.</p>
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		By: Li D		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/07/03/tesla-model-3-is-breakthrough-technology/#comment-453779</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Li D]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jul 2017 07:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Basically speed doesn’t kill because Nascar (and F1 and others) drive much faster than civilians do and the number of deaths in those crashes is nearly nonexistent.&quot;
Jeez  thats the most infantile dumbest argument in history of
arguments.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Basically speed doesn’t kill because Nascar (and F1 and others) drive much faster than civilians do and the number of deaths in those crashes is nearly nonexistent.&#8221;<br />
Jeez  thats the most infantile dumbest argument in history of<br />
arguments.</p>
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		By: dean		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dean]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jul 2017 01:48:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Miken&quot;s claim is simply a version of one that was popular several years ago. Basically speed doesn&#039;t kill because Nascar (and F1 and others) drive much faster than civilians do and the number of deaths in those crashes is nearly nonexistent. 

Pointing out the fact that all of those drivers are essentially the same age, are trained to the same ability, the cars have to be engineered to nearly uniform levels of performance, and there are sufficient funds available for track maintenance, all of which rendered the comparison meaningless, was uniformly viewed as changing the subject. 

The level of argument clearly hasn&#039;t changed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Miken&#8221;s claim is simply a version of one that was popular several years ago. Basically speed doesn&#8217;t kill because Nascar (and F1 and others) drive much faster than civilians do and the number of deaths in those crashes is nearly nonexistent. </p>
<p>Pointing out the fact that all of those drivers are essentially the same age, are trained to the same ability, the cars have to be engineered to nearly uniform levels of performance, and there are sufficient funds available for track maintenance, all of which rendered the comparison meaningless, was uniformly viewed as changing the subject. </p>
<p>The level of argument clearly hasn&#8217;t changed.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/07/03/tesla-model-3-is-breakthrough-technology/#comment-453777</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jul 2017 01:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/07/03/tesla-model-3-is-breakthrough-technology/#comment-453776&quot;&gt;MikeN&lt;/a&gt;.

OK,just under 70.  The point is, the tolerance on a major 4+ lane highway at 55 speed limit was very high, often over 10mph. But today one is advised to not go over 70 in 70mph areas, unless maybe you are in Montana or driving a Cadillac or something.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/07/03/tesla-model-3-is-breakthrough-technology/#comment-453776">MikeN</a>.</p>
<p>OK,just under 70.  The point is, the tolerance on a major 4+ lane highway at 55 speed limit was very high, often over 10mph. But today one is advised to not go over 70 in 70mph areas, unless maybe you are in Montana or driving a Cadillac or something.</p>
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		By: MikeN		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/07/03/tesla-model-3-is-breakthrough-technology/#comment-453776</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MikeN]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jul 2017 00:31:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&#062;when 55 was the rule, cops tended to pull people over who were going just over 70. 

Wish that was how it was when I was driving on 55MPH roads.  67 here, 68 there, probably half my tickets.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;when 55 was the rule, cops tended to pull people over who were going just over 70. </p>
<p>Wish that was how it was when I was driving on 55MPH roads.  67 here, 68 there, probably half my tickets.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/07/03/tesla-model-3-is-breakthrough-technology/#comment-453775</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jul 2017 00:04:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/07/03/tesla-model-3-is-breakthrough-technology/#comment-453773&quot;&gt;dhogaza&lt;/a&gt;.

Also, the relaxation of the 55mph rule was nothing close to an instantaneous shift back to higher speeds.  Many roads continued at 55 for a long time, and many roads (in many states, all or most roads) never went back to their previous speed limits.

In addition, when 55 was the rule, cops tended to pull people over who were going just over 70.  When 65 or 70 is the rule, cops tend to pull people over who are going just over 70.  That levels out the difference to the extent that speeding is a cause.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/07/03/tesla-model-3-is-breakthrough-technology/#comment-453773">dhogaza</a>.</p>
<p>Also, the relaxation of the 55mph rule was nothing close to an instantaneous shift back to higher speeds.  Many roads continued at 55 for a long time, and many roads (in many states, all or most roads) never went back to their previous speed limits.</p>
<p>In addition, when 55 was the rule, cops tended to pull people over who were going just over 70.  When 65 or 70 is the rule, cops tend to pull people over who are going just over 70.  That levels out the difference to the extent that speeding is a cause.</p>
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		By: dhogaza		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dhogaza]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jul 2017 23:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[MikeN:

&quot;Search for CAFE mileage kills.&quot;

Modern cars are vastly safer than the cars that were driven in the pre-CAFE years.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MikeN:</p>
<p>&#8220;Search for CAFE mileage kills.&#8221;</p>
<p>Modern cars are vastly safer than the cars that were driven in the pre-CAFE years.</p>
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		By: dhogaza		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/07/03/tesla-model-3-is-breakthrough-technology/#comment-453773</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dhogaza]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jul 2017 23:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[MikeN:

&quot;Where is this big increase in deaths after the elimination of federal 55 speed limit?&quot;

Increased safety engineering (airbags weren&#039;t mandated until three years after the double nickel law was modified to allow speeds up to 65 on interstates) coupled with a vast decrease in the number of drunk drivers on the road due to much stricter enforcement of DUI laws have led to fewer fatalities on the road, counteracting the smaller increase due to higher speeds.

Increased safety engineering of roads plays a role, too.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MikeN:</p>
<p>&#8220;Where is this big increase in deaths after the elimination of federal 55 speed limit?&#8221;</p>
<p>Increased safety engineering (airbags weren&#8217;t mandated until three years after the double nickel law was modified to allow speeds up to 65 on interstates) coupled with a vast decrease in the number of drunk drivers on the road due to much stricter enforcement of DUI laws have led to fewer fatalities on the road, counteracting the smaller increase due to higher speeds.</p>
<p>Increased safety engineering of roads plays a role, too.</p>
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