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		By: Wow		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Jul 2017 08:55:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This was so predictable a whine from you, great boogers, that I had already copied the text before even clicking on this thread:

No, it just shows that without any actual thought people will retire to complaining about presentation rather than do any effort to support their claims, great boogers.

For instance, you never looked into the actual lithosphere of the planet earth and how much energy would be needed to supply to make it warp and move like you claim, then investigate the energy released by the melting of ice caps to see whether it would supply that energy and over what time it could occur.

No, you just whined &quot;But I really BELIEVE this crap!!!! Stop calling me a dumb fuck for doing that!!!!&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was so predictable a whine from you, great boogers, that I had already copied the text before even clicking on this thread:</p>
<p>No, it just shows that without any actual thought people will retire to complaining about presentation rather than do any effort to support their claims, great boogers.</p>
<p>For instance, you never looked into the actual lithosphere of the planet earth and how much energy would be needed to supply to make it warp and move like you claim, then investigate the energy released by the melting of ice caps to see whether it would supply that energy and over what time it could occur.</p>
<p>No, you just whined &#8220;But I really BELIEVE this crap!!!! Stop calling me a dumb fuck for doing that!!!!&#8221;.</p>
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		By: Gerrit Bogaers		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gerrit Bogaers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Jul 2017 07:58:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[An analysis of this discussion learns that also this discussion is being spoiled by trolls. The one and only constructive input in this topic has been given by some one from Europe, France. Is it that the old continent has learnt of the twentieth century to respect each other mutually  as a necessity to cooperate and survive? 

This discourse teaches us the importance and necessity of a minimum standard of civilized communication. For good thinking controversy is necessary as well as the classical virtues: humility, diligence, patience, kindness, moderation, prudence, justice and fortitude. This blog proofs again and again the necessity of these values, which this blog lacks completely. All topics on this blog being spoiled by trolls very much resemble the state of mind of the ‘greatest’ state of the world in decline. What we see here is a guerrilla of trolls. In this forum one at least has debunked itself as a perfect cooperative of Donald Trump. Every dictator needs a ministry of disinformation and cooperatives. Let the one whom this concerns throw the first stone. Laren NH, Saturday July 1st, 9.58 AM DT.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An analysis of this discussion learns that also this discussion is being spoiled by trolls. The one and only constructive input in this topic has been given by some one from Europe, France. Is it that the old continent has learnt of the twentieth century to respect each other mutually  as a necessity to cooperate and survive? </p>
<p>This discourse teaches us the importance and necessity of a minimum standard of civilized communication. For good thinking controversy is necessary as well as the classical virtues: humility, diligence, patience, kindness, moderation, prudence, justice and fortitude. This blog proofs again and again the necessity of these values, which this blog lacks completely. All topics on this blog being spoiled by trolls very much resemble the state of mind of the ‘greatest’ state of the world in decline. What we see here is a guerrilla of trolls. In this forum one at least has debunked itself as a perfect cooperative of Donald Trump. Every dictator needs a ministry of disinformation and cooperatives. Let the one whom this concerns throw the first stone. Laren NH, Saturday July 1st, 9.58 AM DT.</p>
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		By: Betula		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Betula]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jun 2017 22:32:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wow - &quot;They will also insist you take more checkups than needed, because they get paid a proportion of what your care costs, so inflating your costs increases their profit&quot;

Talking out of your ass again, eh Wow?

Hey, speaking of profits....when is your next distribution check due from Westmill Solar? It&#039;s a quarterly check, correct?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow &#8211; &#8220;They will also insist you take more checkups than needed, because they get paid a proportion of what your care costs, so inflating your costs increases their profit&#8221;</p>
<p>Talking out of your ass again, eh Wow?</p>
<p>Hey, speaking of profits&#8230;.when is your next distribution check due from Westmill Solar? It&#8217;s a quarterly check, correct?</p>
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		By: Wow		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jun 2017 21:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;I understand and accept that health insurances companies would want to have a new customer getting a medical check-up&quot;

They will also insist you take more checkups than needed, because they get paid a proportion of what your care costs, so inflating your costs increases their profit.

And push more expensive medication because it&#039;s not THEM paying for it, but their customer, and they get a cut of the expenses, not a flat rate for results.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I understand and accept that health insurances companies would want to have a new customer getting a medical check-up&#8221;</p>
<p>They will also insist you take more checkups than needed, because they get paid a proportion of what your care costs, so inflating your costs increases their profit.</p>
<p>And push more expensive medication because it&#8217;s not THEM paying for it, but their customer, and they get a cut of the expenses, not a flat rate for results.</p>
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		By: dean		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dean]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jun 2017 19:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Betula, what wow said about you was true. Again, the only person not telling the truth is you.

And I notice that there was no evidence provide by you to dispute the earlier but of lying you did,, just your usual fake deflection.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Betula, what wow said about you was true. Again, the only person not telling the truth is you.</p>
<p>And I notice that there was no evidence provide by you to dispute the earlier but of lying you did,, just your usual fake deflection.</p>
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		By: Betula		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Betula]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jun 2017 14:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Just noticed this from Greg @ #1

[Link to right wing rag deleted]

Delete what you don&#039;t like Greg, it&#039;s your blog. I get it, the truth hurts...

So here is a link to the same story, same outcome from one of the &quot;left wings&quot;  favorite sources.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/21/politics/democrats-georgia-elections-analysis/index.html

Deny, delete, hide your eyes, turn your head....the truth doesn&#039;t go away.

Oh, and still waiting for you to explain how many versions of a certain word there are and which version you deem to be proper for snowflake ears..

I won&#039;t use the word because I don&#039;t know which version you prefer, but I&#039;ll give the viewers a few hints...let&#039;s  if they guess what it is..

Hint #1 - 
Wow
June 21, 2017  
&quot;an ordinary citizen blocking retards getting angry at them.&quot;

HINT #2 -
Jeff Harvey
June 1, 2017  
&quot;Trust Betula to defend his retarded President&quot;

HINT #3 -
Wow
March 7, 2017  
 &quot;Really didn’t show the USA in a good light, voting that dangerous retard back in for a second office&quot;

HINT #4 - 
Wow
June 4, 2017  
&quot;It’s not usual for anyone, retard&quot;

HINT #5 -
Wow
January 16, 2017  
&quot;fractured tweets from Trump? How long does it take the retard to find out what he wanted to finish the sentence with?&quot;

HINT #6 - 
Wow
April 21, 2017  
&quot;She didn’t win. I twas settled. No win or lose. Settled. Retard&quot;

If anyone picked up on what the word is and which version was used in it&#039;s proper form, please send the word to Greg and he will give you a {WARNING] prize ...




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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just noticed this from Greg @ #1</p>
<p>[Link to right wing rag deleted]</p>
<p>Delete what you don&#8217;t like Greg, it&#8217;s your blog. I get it, the truth hurts&#8230;</p>
<p>So here is a link to the same story, same outcome from one of the &#8220;left wings&#8221;  favorite sources.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/21/politics/democrats-georgia-elections-analysis/index.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/21/politics/democrats-georgia-elections-analysis/index.html</a></p>
<p>Deny, delete, hide your eyes, turn your head&#8230;.the truth doesn&#8217;t go away.</p>
<p>Oh, and still waiting for you to explain how many versions of a certain word there are and which version you deem to be proper for snowflake ears..</p>
<p>I won&#8217;t use the word because I don&#8217;t know which version you prefer, but I&#8217;ll give the viewers a few hints&#8230;let&#8217;s  if they guess what it is..</p>
<p>Hint #1 &#8211;<br />
Wow<br />
June 21, 2017<br />
&#8220;an ordinary citizen blocking retards getting angry at them.&#8221;</p>
<p>HINT #2 &#8211;<br />
Jeff Harvey<br />
June 1, 2017<br />
&#8220;Trust Betula to defend his retarded President&#8221;</p>
<p>HINT #3 &#8211;<br />
Wow<br />
March 7, 2017<br />
 &#8220;Really didn’t show the USA in a good light, voting that dangerous retard back in for a second office&#8221;</p>
<p>HINT #4 &#8211;<br />
Wow<br />
June 4, 2017<br />
&#8220;It’s not usual for anyone, retard&#8221;</p>
<p>HINT #5 &#8211;<br />
Wow<br />
January 16, 2017<br />
&#8220;fractured tweets from Trump? How long does it take the retard to find out what he wanted to finish the sentence with?&#8221;</p>
<p>HINT #6 &#8211;<br />
Wow<br />
April 21, 2017<br />
&#8220;She didn’t win. I twas settled. No win or lose. Settled. Retard&#8221;</p>
<p>If anyone picked up on what the word is and which version was used in it&#8217;s proper form, please send the word to Greg and he will give you a {WARNING] prize &#8230;</p>
<p>.</p>
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		By: Betula		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Betula]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jun 2017 11:09:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[dean - &quot;It’s from you, therefore the safe bet is that it is a lie&quot;
 
At least you admit you don&#039;t know anything about it. Now, all you have to do is give an example of where I lied so that you can justify your imagination.


Let me show you how it&#039;s done: Here is an example of a lie...

Wow – “Batshit, on the other hand, called Obama a retard with ABSOLUTELY NO ACTIONS TO ASCRIBE THAT STATE TO.”]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dean &#8211; &#8220;It’s from you, therefore the safe bet is that it is a lie&#8221;</p>
<p>At least you admit you don&#8217;t know anything about it. Now, all you have to do is give an example of where I lied so that you can justify your imagination.</p>
<p>Let me show you how it&#8217;s done: Here is an example of a lie&#8230;</p>
<p>Wow – “Batshit, on the other hand, called Obama a retard with ABSOLUTELY NO ACTIONS TO ASCRIBE THAT STATE TO.”</p>
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		By: Helianthus		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Helianthus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jun 2017 06:41:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ MikeN

&lt;Blockquote&gt;No need to buy coverage until you get sick, if preexisting conditions are covered.&lt;/Blockquote&gt;

Well, yes and no.

I understand and accept that health insurances companies would want to have a new customer getting a medical check-up, and to impose a (not overlong) delay before covering him/her.

I could (reluctantly) accept the idea that someone enlisting later in life, while suffering from various ails and chronic illnesses, should have to pay more.
That&#039;s why, ideally, everybody should start putting money in some dedicated fund as soon as possible, and with the objective to have enough put aside for the day life and old age catch up with them. Not &quot;if&quot;, but &quot;when&quot;.
In effect, it&#039;s the young, healthy people paying their fees now, who are currently paying the healthcare of older, less lucky people. That&#039;s how it is in other countries with a shared* health insurance system, like mine, anyway. Not perfect, but we managed to get by, so far.
It&#039;s insurance economics 101, really.

But charging more for stuff everybody, or most everybody are going to experience at some point in their life, themselves or through their spouse, children or other close relatives? That&#039;s madness.
Health insurance should be about planning long-term and at the family level. Not just for yourself about what could happen to you five minutes in the future.

When I was in North America, I was deeply shocked to discover how your whole health insurance systems are gamed in favor of the insurance companies -  a long list of stuff whose coverage is very limited, delayed, or non-existent; but more importantly, insurances tied to the employer means that the customer has a very limited control on which insurance company he will choose, in effect limiting the competition between companies. A very un-capitalistic thing in a country which prides itself on being a paragon of capitalistic values.

* you Americans don&#039;t seem to have a word for &quot;mutualisé&quot; - shared risks, that I call insurance economics 101. That may be part of the issue. There is a reason the French health insurances companies are called &quot;mutuelles&quot;. For us, an insurance is meant to share the risk - and the cost - between as many people as possible. From online discussions I have been following, many Americans seem impervious to this concept.
A shared health insurance is not even a &quot;socialist&quot; concept. In my country, the first attempts at a nation-wide health insurance system around 1900&#039; were initiated or supported by right conservative politicians. Everybody, notably the factory owners, saw the benefits in having a workforce in good health.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ MikeN</p>
<blockquote><p>No need to buy coverage until you get sick, if preexisting conditions are covered.</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, yes and no.</p>
<p>I understand and accept that health insurances companies would want to have a new customer getting a medical check-up, and to impose a (not overlong) delay before covering him/her.</p>
<p>I could (reluctantly) accept the idea that someone enlisting later in life, while suffering from various ails and chronic illnesses, should have to pay more.<br />
That&#8217;s why, ideally, everybody should start putting money in some dedicated fund as soon as possible, and with the objective to have enough put aside for the day life and old age catch up with them. Not &#8220;if&#8221;, but &#8220;when&#8221;.<br />
In effect, it&#8217;s the young, healthy people paying their fees now, who are currently paying the healthcare of older, less lucky people. That&#8217;s how it is in other countries with a shared* health insurance system, like mine, anyway. Not perfect, but we managed to get by, so far.<br />
It&#8217;s insurance economics 101, really.</p>
<p>But charging more for stuff everybody, or most everybody are going to experience at some point in their life, themselves or through their spouse, children or other close relatives? That&#8217;s madness.<br />
Health insurance should be about planning long-term and at the family level. Not just for yourself about what could happen to you five minutes in the future.</p>
<p>When I was in North America, I was deeply shocked to discover how your whole health insurance systems are gamed in favor of the insurance companies &#8211;  a long list of stuff whose coverage is very limited, delayed, or non-existent; but more importantly, insurances tied to the employer means that the customer has a very limited control on which insurance company he will choose, in effect limiting the competition between companies. A very un-capitalistic thing in a country which prides itself on being a paragon of capitalistic values.</p>
<p>* you Americans don&#8217;t seem to have a word for &#8220;mutualisé&#8221; &#8211; shared risks, that I call insurance economics 101. That may be part of the issue. There is a reason the French health insurances companies are called &#8220;mutuelles&#8221;. For us, an insurance is meant to share the risk &#8211; and the cost &#8211; between as many people as possible. From online discussions I have been following, many Americans seem impervious to this concept.<br />
A shared health insurance is not even a &#8220;socialist&#8221; concept. In my country, the first attempts at a nation-wide health insurance system around 1900&#8242; were initiated or supported by right conservative politicians. Everybody, notably the factory owners, saw the benefits in having a workforce in good health.</p>
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		By: Wow		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jun 2017 22:33:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[No point in buying it if they can cut you out with caps on payout. Not forgetting that most of the working class who have private insurance have it via their employer, so don&#039;t get to choose at all.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No point in buying it if they can cut you out with caps on payout. Not forgetting that most of the working class who have private insurance have it via their employer, so don&#8217;t get to choose at all.</p>
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		By: dean		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dean]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jun 2017 21:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[They aren&#039;t covered under this bill mikeN. That, and the fact that quality of coverage goes down, are among the issues. 

&quot;Well if you loose insurance by the cancelling of the ACA, then isn’t any illness you now have …”a pre-existing condition”, which make everyone basically non-insured!&quot;

Yup. The fools who buy into the &quot;no need to be insured until you&#039;re sick&quot; are ignoring the fact that under the new plan (if it passes) you wouldn&#039;t get to get any insurance that is affordable.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They aren&#8217;t covered under this bill mikeN. That, and the fact that quality of coverage goes down, are among the issues. </p>
<p>&#8220;Well if you loose insurance by the cancelling of the ACA, then isn’t any illness you now have …”a pre-existing condition”, which make everyone basically non-insured!&#8221;</p>
<p>Yup. The fools who buy into the &#8220;no need to be insured until you&#8217;re sick&#8221; are ignoring the fact that under the new plan (if it passes) you wouldn&#8217;t get to get any insurance that is affordable.</p>
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