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	Comments on: Congressmen: Do we shoot them or do we not shoot them? (Updated at the request of Senator Paul)	</title>
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		By: Nutan Shukla		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks for sharing this information..
I was not aware of this now I at least got some idea..]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for sharing this information..<br />
I was not aware of this now I at least got some idea..</p>
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		By: Wow		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jun 2017 22:31:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;The left is pretty upset about citizens united (corporations are people)&quot;

No, most republican voters think that the money the corps put in corrupt politics and want it out. Wolf-pac includes many republican politicians at the state level on &quot;their side&quot;.

The left and right are against it.

Only the politicians and corporations are for it. Because they see an &quot;equitable&quot; exchange of value in the bribes.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The left is pretty upset about citizens united (corporations are people)&#8221;</p>
<p>No, most republican voters think that the money the corps put in corrupt politics and want it out. Wolf-pac includes many republican politicians at the state level on &#8220;their side&#8221;.</p>
<p>The left and right are against it.</p>
<p>Only the politicians and corporations are for it. Because they see an &#8220;equitable&#8221; exchange of value in the bribes.</p>
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		By: zebra		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[zebra]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jun 2017 22:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Betula,

Majority of the population. Remember, Republicans get elected because their voters know that they are a minority, and turn out in greater numbers proportionately. So, more Republican politicians is evidence for my argument.

I mention marriage equality as an example of what would be a &lt;b&gt;specific&lt;/b&gt; issue, not as the only issue.

Show us some data on specific economic issues; saying &quot;the economy&quot; doesn&#039;t tell us anything. Does the majority favor government spending on infrastructure, for example. Stuff like that. 

I said &quot;be specific&quot;, and you are being vague.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Betula,</p>
<p>Majority of the population. Remember, Republicans get elected because their voters know that they are a minority, and turn out in greater numbers proportionately. So, more Republican politicians is evidence for my argument.</p>
<p>I mention marriage equality as an example of what would be a <b>specific</b> issue, not as the only issue.</p>
<p>Show us some data on specific economic issues; saying &#8220;the economy&#8221; doesn&#8217;t tell us anything. Does the majority favor government spending on infrastructure, for example. Stuff like that. </p>
<p>I said &#8220;be specific&#8221;, and you are being vague.</p>
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		By: RickA		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RickA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jun 2017 21:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think each side is angry about &quot;their&quot; issues.

The left is pretty upset about citizens united (corporations are people) and lack of progress on gun control.

The right is pretty upset about abortion, gay marriage (mostly the use of the word for same sex relationships, not so much about equal rights for civil union), and society pretending that a man is a woman and visa versa.

So there is anger on the left and the right.

Since almost 50% of the population doesn&#039;t pay any federal income taxes, I think a significant number of the people who pay 100% of the federal personal income taxes are pretty upset about having to support themselves and others as well - for welfare, housing, college loans, health care, medicare, medicaid, social security and so forth.

Perhaps it is possible that the people who pay Federal income taxes are more motivated to vote than the people who do not pay Federal income taxes?

That might also explain part of the disparity in voting between the left and the right as well.

Another possibility is that the left tends to concentrate in urban areas, while the right is more spread out.  It doesn&#039;t matter how many more people vote blue in California, all their electoral votes are going blue anyways - so all those extra votes are &quot;wasted&quot;.  It would be better if some of these voters lived in Michigan, or Ohio or some of the other states the democrats lost by a bit.

Because of where people live, Republicans control the majority of state legislators, governorship&#039;s, the congress and the presidency.  I think that is the only &quot;poll&quot; that counts.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think each side is angry about &#8220;their&#8221; issues.</p>
<p>The left is pretty upset about citizens united (corporations are people) and lack of progress on gun control.</p>
<p>The right is pretty upset about abortion, gay marriage (mostly the use of the word for same sex relationships, not so much about equal rights for civil union), and society pretending that a man is a woman and visa versa.</p>
<p>So there is anger on the left and the right.</p>
<p>Since almost 50% of the population doesn&#8217;t pay any federal income taxes, I think a significant number of the people who pay 100% of the federal personal income taxes are pretty upset about having to support themselves and others as well &#8211; for welfare, housing, college loans, health care, medicare, medicaid, social security and so forth.</p>
<p>Perhaps it is possible that the people who pay Federal income taxes are more motivated to vote than the people who do not pay Federal income taxes?</p>
<p>That might also explain part of the disparity in voting between the left and the right as well.</p>
<p>Another possibility is that the left tends to concentrate in urban areas, while the right is more spread out.  It doesn&#8217;t matter how many more people vote blue in California, all their electoral votes are going blue anyways &#8211; so all those extra votes are &#8220;wasted&#8221;.  It would be better if some of these voters lived in Michigan, or Ohio or some of the other states the democrats lost by a bit.</p>
<p>Because of where people live, Republicans control the majority of state legislators, governorship&#8217;s, the congress and the presidency.  I think that is the only &#8220;poll&#8221; that counts.</p>
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		By: Betula		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Betula]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jun 2017 20:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[1.What polls show that the Right is in the majority?
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/gallup-us-conservatives-outnumber-liberals-11-points

2. Did Hillary Clinton get the vote of the Right? That was a majority.

The system doesn&#039;t work like that. Trump won the majority of electorates. And again, besides the Presidency, they hold the House and Senate. In addition, the Democrats lost 1,042 state and federal  posts under Obama&#039;s tenure.....the voters have a voice. This is reality.

3. Is the Right in favor of marriage equality? Big majority

Single issue

4.What does “overall” mean? What issues make up “overall”?

How about including the economy, terrorism and border security to start...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1.What polls show that the Right is in the majority?<br />
<a href="http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/gallup-us-conservatives-outnumber-liberals-11-points" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/gallup-us-conservatives-outnumber-liberals-11-points</a></p>
<p>2. Did Hillary Clinton get the vote of the Right? That was a majority.</p>
<p>The system doesn&#8217;t work like that. Trump won the majority of electorates. And again, besides the Presidency, they hold the House and Senate. In addition, the Democrats lost 1,042 state and federal  posts under Obama&#8217;s tenure&#8230;..the voters have a voice. This is reality.</p>
<p>3. Is the Right in favor of marriage equality? Big majority</p>
<p>Single issue</p>
<p>4.What does “overall” mean? What issues make up “overall”?</p>
<p>How about including the economy, terrorism and border security to start&#8230;</p>
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		By: zebra		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[zebra]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jun 2017 20:00:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Betula,

What polls show that the Right is in the majority?

Did Hillary Clinton get the vote of the Right? That was a majority.

Is the Right in favor of marriage equality? Big majority.

What does &quot;overall&quot; mean? What issues make up &quot;overall&quot;?

Be specific.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Betula,</p>
<p>What polls show that the Right is in the majority?</p>
<p>Did Hillary Clinton get the vote of the Right? That was a majority.</p>
<p>Is the Right in favor of marriage equality? Big majority.</p>
<p>What does &#8220;overall&#8221; mean? What issues make up &#8220;overall&#8221;?</p>
<p>Be specific.</p>
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		By: Betula		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Betula]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jun 2017 19:43:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[zebra - &quot;That poll I referenced also illustrates my main point.&quot;

No it doesn&#039;t. Here is your &quot;main point&quot;:

&quot;On the Left (in the US in particular), people are less motivated because they sense that they are part of mainstream thinking among the educated and emotionally developed.&quot;

&quot;On the Right, they are emotional and angry and defensive because they know they are “wrong”– meaning that they are indeed in a minority group based on real issues&quot;

So the left is less motivated because they are the majority and more educated, and the right is more motivated because they are the minority and know they are wrong.

Yet the polls show that overall, the right is the majority, unless you cherry pick certain issues, which is what you did.

You see, when you keep losing, you have to justify it by telling everyone how educated and intelligent you are, you just lack the motivation to get off your ass.

[WARNING: Watch My Language]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>zebra &#8211; &#8220;That poll I referenced also illustrates my main point.&#8221;</p>
<p>No it doesn&#8217;t. Here is your &#8220;main point&#8221;:</p>
<p>&#8220;On the Left (in the US in particular), people are less motivated because they sense that they are part of mainstream thinking among the educated and emotionally developed.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;On the Right, they are emotional and angry and defensive because they know they are “wrong”– meaning that they are indeed in a minority group based on real issues&#8221;</p>
<p>So the left is less motivated because they are the majority and more educated, and the right is more motivated because they are the minority and know they are wrong.</p>
<p>Yet the polls show that overall, the right is the majority, unless you cherry pick certain issues, which is what you did.</p>
<p>You see, when you keep losing, you have to justify it by telling everyone how educated and intelligent you are, you just lack the motivation to get off your ass.</p>
<p>[WARNING: Watch My Language]</p>
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		By: zebra		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[zebra]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jun 2017 18:20:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Betula,

That poll I referenced also illustrates my main point.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Americans who are opposed to gay marriage (29%) are much more likely than those in favor of it (19%) to say they would only vote for a candidate who shares their views. At the other end of the scale, 22% of gay marriage opponents compared with 32% of gay marriage supporters say it is not a major factor for their vote.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Again, if you have a specific question or disagreement, I will try to find the info.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Betula,</p>
<p>That poll I referenced also illustrates my main point.</p>
<blockquote><p>Americans who are opposed to gay marriage (29%) are much more likely than those in favor of it (19%) to say they would only vote for a candidate who shares their views. At the other end of the scale, 22% of gay marriage opponents compared with 32% of gay marriage supporters say it is not a major factor for their vote.</p></blockquote>
<p>Again, if you have a specific question or disagreement, I will try to find the info.</p>
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		By: zebra		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[zebra]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jun 2017 18:14:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Betula,

I have no interest in randomly exchanging individual polls.

If you would like to be specific about what you want to know, I might put in the effort to go back and find what I am referring to.

So, do you doubt that a majority favors marriage equality, which is clearly identified as a liberal position by those on the Right? 

This is referenced in the Gallup poll which you yourself referenced:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/191645/americans-support-gay-marriage-remains-high.aspx?g_source=gay%20marriage&#038;g_medium=search&#038;g_campaign=tiles

So, ask a specific question and I may be able to find the reference.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Betula,</p>
<p>I have no interest in randomly exchanging individual polls.</p>
<p>If you would like to be specific about what you want to know, I might put in the effort to go back and find what I am referring to.</p>
<p>So, do you doubt that a majority favors marriage equality, which is clearly identified as a liberal position by those on the Right? </p>
<p>This is referenced in the Gallup poll which you yourself referenced:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.gallup.com/poll/191645/americans-support-gay-marriage-remains-high.aspx?g_source=gay%20marriage&#038;g_medium=search&#038;g_campaign=tiles" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.gallup.com/poll/191645/americans-support-gay-marriage-remains-high.aspx?g_source=gay%20marriage&#038;g_medium=search&#038;g_campaign=tiles</a></p>
<p>So, ask a specific question and I may be able to find the reference.</p>
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		By: Betula		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Betula]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jun 2017 17:13:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Zebra - You keep talking about polls and facts, yet you haven&#039;t produced any...whereas I have.

Would you like to produce something, or  &quot;keep gibbering on in the usual nonsensical way?&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zebra &#8211; You keep talking about polls and facts, yet you haven&#8217;t produced any&#8230;whereas I have.</p>
<p>Would you like to produce something, or  &#8220;keep gibbering on in the usual nonsensical way?&#8221;</p>
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