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		By: Obstreperous Applesauce		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/06/02/trump-lied/#comment-452577</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jun 2017 17:25:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dumpster fire or train wreck, you decide.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/23/opinion/trumps-lies.html?smid=tw-nytopinion&#038;smtyp=cur&#038;_r=1

In healthcare news:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2017/06/pets-dogs-cats-eat-dead-owners-forensics-science/?utm_source=Facebook&#038;utm_medium=Social&#038;utm_content=link_fb20170623news-willpetseatyougallery&#038;utm_campaign=Content&#038;sf91811361=1]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dumpster fire or train wreck, you decide.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/23/opinion/trumps-lies.html?smid=tw-nytopinion&#038;smtyp=cur&#038;_r=1" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/23/opinion/trumps-lies.html?smid=tw-nytopinion&#038;smtyp=cur&#038;_r=1</a></p>
<p>In healthcare news:</p>
<p><a href="http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2017/06/pets-dogs-cats-eat-dead-owners-forensics-science/?utm_source=Facebook&#038;utm_medium=Social&#038;utm_content=link_fb20170623news-willpetseatyougallery&#038;utm_campaign=Content&#038;sf91811361=1" rel="nofollow ugc">http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2017/06/pets-dogs-cats-eat-dead-owners-forensics-science/?utm_source=Facebook&#038;utm_medium=Social&#038;utm_content=link_fb20170623news-willpetseatyougallery&#038;utm_campaign=Content&#038;sf91811361=1</a></p>
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		By: Wow		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/06/02/trump-lied/#comment-452576</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jun 2017 10:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Its not just lies, but alarmism from trump too. What&#039;s with this alarmist claims of &quot;disastrous flooding in Missouri&quot; he&#039;s talking about? It&#039;s flooded before! According to some, the entire world was flooded! AND IT WAS GOOD!

I looked out on the street today, and I see no flooding, therefore this claim of floods is a lie.

CLEARLY this is just a way for trumpo to get his FEMA camps set up to round up good people and reprogram them for his NWO regime! And who will pay for the tents and food andheating? TAXPAYERS! Who will the money go to? TRUMP&#039;S CRONIES! CLEARLY this flooding, which never happened at all and is totally not catastrophic since it used to be flooded far deeper than Everest, some say, is a hoax done to drive cash to these &quot;disaster response&quot; businesses and to scare people into following his authoritarian orders!

Indeed without water, NO LIFE WOULD EXIST! It&#039;s a LIFE GIVER, yet here is trump demanding that we ban water and make the earth a dry husk like mars!!!!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its not just lies, but alarmism from trump too. What&#8217;s with this alarmist claims of &#8220;disastrous flooding in Missouri&#8221; he&#8217;s talking about? It&#8217;s flooded before! According to some, the entire world was flooded! AND IT WAS GOOD!</p>
<p>I looked out on the street today, and I see no flooding, therefore this claim of floods is a lie.</p>
<p>CLEARLY this is just a way for trumpo to get his FEMA camps set up to round up good people and reprogram them for his NWO regime! And who will pay for the tents and food andheating? TAXPAYERS! Who will the money go to? TRUMP&#8217;S CRONIES! CLEARLY this flooding, which never happened at all and is totally not catastrophic since it used to be flooded far deeper than Everest, some say, is a hoax done to drive cash to these &#8220;disaster response&#8221; businesses and to scare people into following his authoritarian orders!</p>
<p>Indeed without water, NO LIFE WOULD EXIST! It&#8217;s a LIFE GIVER, yet here is trump demanding that we ban water and make the earth a dry husk like mars!!!!!</p>
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		By: Wow		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/06/02/trump-lied/#comment-452575</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jun 2017 08:16:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[He should there have known better. he used RomneyCare and they STILL whined and complained and bitched and moaned and cried and tore their hair out (those who had it).

It was at the point when they refused to accept RomneyCare and wanted it neutered he should have told them to fuck off and gone to what he putatively wanted. The point here being maybe he DIDN&#039;T want it any better, hence this failure to act on his part pretty much killed his legacy as anything other than the first black president (though even the usa couldn&#039;t go all the way on the first go and had to go for a two-tone). And this SHOULD have told him how rabidly against a house negro being in charge ANYWHERE they were and therefore how little he would achieve if they got into power.

Hell, they spent 8 full years doing their damndest to ensure that obama did NOTHING. They even made it their platform: to make him a lame duck president.

I can accept that he took bad advice, but that only works at first. After years of that BS intransigence he should have told those advisers (which included practically all media source) to take a gallon of shut the fuck up juice and stop pretending that things not happening were because he wasn&#039;t working hard enough to be a republican.

If the Democrats actually listen and change, then the Republicans will be decimated and become a third player. Yes, by the next presidential election, if the Rs don&#039;t listen and the Ds do, it may become D vs I.

And if the Ds don;t listen, because of the asinine party identity politics going on, it will just bounce from R to D with fewer and fewer people voting.

Fewer Rs voting because their base is dying of old age, and fewer Ds voting because they&#039;re only chasing the R voters.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He should there have known better. he used RomneyCare and they STILL whined and complained and bitched and moaned and cried and tore their hair out (those who had it).</p>
<p>It was at the point when they refused to accept RomneyCare and wanted it neutered he should have told them to fuck off and gone to what he putatively wanted. The point here being maybe he DIDN&#8217;T want it any better, hence this failure to act on his part pretty much killed his legacy as anything other than the first black president (though even the usa couldn&#8217;t go all the way on the first go and had to go for a two-tone). And this SHOULD have told him how rabidly against a house negro being in charge ANYWHERE they were and therefore how little he would achieve if they got into power.</p>
<p>Hell, they spent 8 full years doing their damndest to ensure that obama did NOTHING. They even made it their platform: to make him a lame duck president.</p>
<p>I can accept that he took bad advice, but that only works at first. After years of that BS intransigence he should have told those advisers (which included practically all media source) to take a gallon of shut the fuck up juice and stop pretending that things not happening were because he wasn&#8217;t working hard enough to be a republican.</p>
<p>If the Democrats actually listen and change, then the Republicans will be decimated and become a third player. Yes, by the next presidential election, if the Rs don&#8217;t listen and the Ds do, it may become D vs I.</p>
<p>And if the Ds don;t listen, because of the asinine party identity politics going on, it will just bounce from R to D with fewer and fewer people voting.</p>
<p>Fewer Rs voting because their base is dying of old age, and fewer Ds voting because they&#8217;re only chasing the R voters.</p>
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		By: Tyvor Winn		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/06/02/trump-lied/#comment-452574</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jun 2017 21:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[#100:  You may well be right. Of course hindsight is much more accurate than foresight.  

Re Obamacare, he could just have thought that even crazed Republicans wouldn&#039;t yank health care out from under &#062;20 million people without serious repercussions.  He may even have been right - ultimately.  We may see in the 2018 election. Or the GOP may find or make up something to shout &quot;Squirrel!&quot; about and everyone will be distracted again.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#100:  You may well be right. Of course hindsight is much more accurate than foresight.  </p>
<p>Re Obamacare, he could just have thought that even crazed Republicans wouldn&#8217;t yank health care out from under &gt;20 million people without serious repercussions.  He may even have been right &#8211; ultimately.  We may see in the 2018 election. Or the GOP may find or make up something to shout &#8220;Squirrel!&#8221; about and everyone will be distracted again.</p>
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		By: Wow		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/06/02/trump-lied/#comment-452573</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jun 2017 22:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think there was a lot of pride invested in being &quot;the first and best black president&quot;, so he didn&#039;t want his tenure to be the lame duck one, so he desperately needed acceptance at least SOMEWHERE.

THEN his underestimation of the crazy of the republicans about having a home-negro in charge took effect.

If he&#039;d gone &quot;It doesn&#039;t matter if I&#039;m MADE lame because the opposition refused to govern, I&#039;ll just be remembered as the first black man in the whitehouse and maybe the next one will have a much easier time of it&quot;, there would not have been the desperation to get agreement to exploit.

imagine if after getting pre-conceded into Romney Care, assuming that the Rs were sane and accepted it was dashed against their incoherent racism, Obama decided &quot;Fuck it, if I&#039;m gonna be refused, lets be refused single payer and medicare for all, which is what is REALLY needed&quot;, the Rs would have backed up HELLA fast. If he&#039;d presaged that with other cases of if the concession was refused he trenched back further left, the Rs would have known better than to push it on the romneycare proposal because a further left proposal would be put in its place.

Obama wanted something to remain.

I hope he takes a good long look at how he never even asked for what he wanted and that everything he got willy-slapped into accepting was cratered afterward anyway and learns that attempting for a legacy rather than a change was a bad deal.

Even if single payer had been thrown out by Rs on a rampage, he would still have had the legacy of putting it in in the first place.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there was a lot of pride invested in being &#8220;the first and best black president&#8221;, so he didn&#8217;t want his tenure to be the lame duck one, so he desperately needed acceptance at least SOMEWHERE.</p>
<p>THEN his underestimation of the crazy of the republicans about having a home-negro in charge took effect.</p>
<p>If he&#8217;d gone &#8220;It doesn&#8217;t matter if I&#8217;m MADE lame because the opposition refused to govern, I&#8217;ll just be remembered as the first black man in the whitehouse and maybe the next one will have a much easier time of it&#8221;, there would not have been the desperation to get agreement to exploit.</p>
<p>imagine if after getting pre-conceded into Romney Care, assuming that the Rs were sane and accepted it was dashed against their incoherent racism, Obama decided &#8220;Fuck it, if I&#8217;m gonna be refused, lets be refused single payer and medicare for all, which is what is REALLY needed&#8221;, the Rs would have backed up HELLA fast. If he&#8217;d presaged that with other cases of if the concession was refused he trenched back further left, the Rs would have known better than to push it on the romneycare proposal because a further left proposal would be put in its place.</p>
<p>Obama wanted something to remain.</p>
<p>I hope he takes a good long look at how he never even asked for what he wanted and that everything he got willy-slapped into accepting was cratered afterward anyway and learns that attempting for a legacy rather than a change was a bad deal.</p>
<p>Even if single payer had been thrown out by Rs on a rampage, he would still have had the legacy of putting it in in the first place.</p>
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		By: Tyvor Winn		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/06/02/trump-lied/#comment-452572</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jun 2017 21:11:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[#91: Being an intelligent, rational human being, I think President Obama just underestimated the degree to which the GOP was run by ideological crazies willing to put their witless agenda before the health of the Nation.  (Even to the point of rejecting their own basic health care plan.).  And he also underestimated the willingness of a large part of the American public to be seduced by GOP lies and appeals to a fantasy of greatness at odds with present and future reality.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#91: Being an intelligent, rational human being, I think President Obama just underestimated the degree to which the GOP was run by ideological crazies willing to put their witless agenda before the health of the Nation.  (Even to the point of rejecting their own basic health care plan.).  And he also underestimated the willingness of a large part of the American public to be seduced by GOP lies and appeals to a fantasy of greatness at odds with present and future reality.</p>
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		By: Wow		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/06/02/trump-lied/#comment-452571</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jun 2017 21:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Or why the black country was called the black country...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or why the black country was called the black country&#8230;</p>
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		By: Tyvor Winn		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/06/02/trump-lied/#comment-452570</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jun 2017 20:57:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[#95:  Are you under the impression that the junk emitted by burning coal is benign or even good for people?  Have you never heard/read of the London fogs produced by burning of coal which were still killing people well into the mid-20th century?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#95:  Are you under the impression that the junk emitted by burning coal is benign or even good for people?  Have you never heard/read of the London fogs produced by burning of coal which were still killing people well into the mid-20th century?</p>
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		By: Wow		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/06/02/trump-lied/#comment-452569</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jun 2017 19:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I wonder why someone whines about a claim that&#039;s pretty damn solid? I mean, just because one moron gets their back up about something blatantly obvious, but not to their liking, doesn&#039;t mean &quot;people&quot; get their back up at the patently clear.

But that sort of categorical claim, provided with no references, is normal for those who prefer to stick their fingers in their ears and go &quot;lalalalala!&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder why someone whines about a claim that&#8217;s pretty damn solid? I mean, just because one moron gets their back up about something blatantly obvious, but not to their liking, doesn&#8217;t mean &#8220;people&#8221; get their back up at the patently clear.</p>
<p>But that sort of categorical claim, provided with no references, is normal for those who prefer to stick their fingers in their ears and go &#8220;lalalalala!&#8221;.</p>
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		By: GregH		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/06/02/trump-lied/#comment-452568</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jun 2017 18:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Most people in Minnesota who have asthma have it because of coal plant generated pollution. &lt;/i&gt;

Boy, I wonder why that kind of categorical claim, provided with no references, gets people&#039;s backs up.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Most people in Minnesota who have asthma have it because of coal plant generated pollution. </i></p>
<p>Boy, I wonder why that kind of categorical claim, provided with no references, gets people&#8217;s backs up.</p>
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