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		By: Wow		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/04/30/are-we-alarmed-yet/#comment-461736</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 May 2017 21:47:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Since magic is imaginary, and an imaginary number squared is a real number, you&#039;re saying my idea (and it&#039;s not mine, there are many such plans out and I&#039;ve not written one of them) is real while yours is imaginary.

Sounds about right, &quot;dick&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since magic is imaginary, and an imaginary number squared is a real number, you&#8217;re saying my idea (and it&#8217;s not mine, there are many such plans out and I&#8217;ve not written one of them) is real while yours is imaginary.</p>
<p>Sounds about right, &#8220;dick&#8221;.</p>
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		By: RickA		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/04/30/are-we-alarmed-yet/#comment-461735</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RickA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 May 2017 16:59:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Until legislation is passed and signed into law, I would say that both of our plans are magic thinking.  And Wow&#039;s plan of 100% renewable is magic thinking raised to the power of 2.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Until legislation is passed and signed into law, I would say that both of our plans are magic thinking.  And Wow&#8217;s plan of 100% renewable is magic thinking raised to the power of 2.</p>
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		By: zebra		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/04/30/are-we-alarmed-yet/#comment-461734</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[zebra]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 May 2017 13:18:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[RickA,

Except that I have actually described what that legislation would be, and you have not.

Nothing I have suggested is without precedent and is within established principles for Federal jurisdiction-- common carrier regulations and interstate commerce.

So far, you have given zero indication of how to achieve your goal. So it is simply magical thinking, as I said.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RickA,</p>
<p>Except that I have actually described what that legislation would be, and you have not.</p>
<p>Nothing I have suggested is without precedent and is within established principles for Federal jurisdiction&#8211; common carrier regulations and interstate commerce.</p>
<p>So far, you have given zero indication of how to achieve your goal. So it is simply magical thinking, as I said.</p>
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		By: BBD		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/04/30/are-we-alarmed-yet/#comment-461733</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BBD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 May 2017 12:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[zebra still - purely for (imagined) rhetorical advantage -  pretending that there is a meaningful distinction between the plan and the goal when the former is determined by the latter. 

* * *

Given the likely consequences of failing to get off FFs fast enough because of localism fantasies and free market make-believe, I&#039;m pretty confident that the second half of this century will see a decline in global population.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>zebra still &#8211; purely for (imagined) rhetorical advantage &#8211;  pretending that there is a meaningful distinction between the plan and the goal when the former is determined by the latter. </p>
<p>* * *</p>
<p>Given the likely consequences of failing to get off FFs fast enough because of localism fantasies and free market make-believe, I&#8217;m pretty confident that the second half of this century will see a decline in global population.</p>
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		By: RickA		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/04/30/are-we-alarmed-yet/#comment-461732</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RickA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 May 2017 11:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[zebra #76:

Yes - my plan requires Federal legislation.

But so does your plan to nationalise the grid so anybody can use it to sell electricity to end users.

To me, the important thing about our plans is they are technically feasible and only require change of law.

100% renewable (which Wow proposes) isn&#039;t even technically feasible (talk about wishing).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>zebra #76:</p>
<p>Yes &#8211; my plan requires Federal legislation.</p>
<p>But so does your plan to nationalise the grid so anybody can use it to sell electricity to end users.</p>
<p>To me, the important thing about our plans is they are technically feasible and only require change of law.</p>
<p>100% renewable (which Wow proposes) isn&#8217;t even technically feasible (talk about wishing).</p>
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		By: Wow		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/04/30/are-we-alarmed-yet/#comment-461731</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 May 2017 10:15:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[zebra, I&#039;m sorry you had nothing better than to pretend I was upset. I know that finding reality doesn&#039;t always suit your purposes is hard, but when you grow up and live as an adult you too will have to learn how to deal with it yourself.

I realise that you have to make up a reason why you were not wrong for being 100% wrong, but you need to try something that at least appears to have been produced by a hominid. Apes are facepalming. Even some of the smarter dogs.

But I AM glad that you now have realised that you were wrong, even if you&#039;re hiding from it so transparently.

Maybe in the future you can progress to the next stage of adulthood and own up to them straight out.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>zebra, I&#8217;m sorry you had nothing better than to pretend I was upset. I know that finding reality doesn&#8217;t always suit your purposes is hard, but when you grow up and live as an adult you too will have to learn how to deal with it yourself.</p>
<p>I realise that you have to make up a reason why you were not wrong for being 100% wrong, but you need to try something that at least appears to have been produced by a hominid. Apes are facepalming. Even some of the smarter dogs.</p>
<p>But I AM glad that you now have realised that you were wrong, even if you&#8217;re hiding from it so transparently.</p>
<p>Maybe in the future you can progress to the next stage of adulthood and own up to them straight out.</p>
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		By: zebra		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/04/30/are-we-alarmed-yet/#comment-461730</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[zebra]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 May 2017 10:08:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wow, sorry if I struck a nerve there. Although you sound more like you are on speed most of the time.

RickA, as I pointed out all the other times you presented your &quot;plan&quot;, you have not suggested a mechanism (Federal legislation) that would achieve your goal of (say 100) nuclear plants. So, it isn&#039;t a &quot;plan&quot; but a childish wish that some Daddy would magically &quot;make it happen&quot;.

Dan Andrews, thanks. Still, neither represents a reduction in population. Reduction would be an important element in an all-of-the above strategy for stabilizing the environment.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, sorry if I struck a nerve there. Although you sound more like you are on speed most of the time.</p>
<p>RickA, as I pointed out all the other times you presented your &#8220;plan&#8221;, you have not suggested a mechanism (Federal legislation) that would achieve your goal of (say 100) nuclear plants. So, it isn&#8217;t a &#8220;plan&#8221; but a childish wish that some Daddy would magically &#8220;make it happen&#8221;.</p>
<p>Dan Andrews, thanks. Still, neither represents a reduction in population. Reduction would be an important element in an all-of-the above strategy for stabilizing the environment.</p>
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		By: MikeN		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/04/30/are-we-alarmed-yet/#comment-461729</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MikeN]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 May 2017 20:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dan, thanks.  Looks like I was considering an older UN projection which had lower levels.  The 2012 median projection was still growing slightly though.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan, thanks.  Looks like I was considering an older UN projection which had lower levels.  The 2012 median projection was still growing slightly though.</p>
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		By: Wow		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/04/30/are-we-alarmed-yet/#comment-461728</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 May 2017 19:40:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;I think both these guys should follow Wow at #59 and cut back on the alcohol.&quot;

Ah, so you&#039;re a recovering alcoholic, zebra.

Hard road to travel, I hear. Keep it up.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I think both these guys should follow Wow at #59 and cut back on the alcohol.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ah, so you&#8217;re a recovering alcoholic, zebra.</p>
<p>Hard road to travel, I hear. Keep it up.</p>
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		By: Wow		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/04/30/are-we-alarmed-yet/#comment-461727</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 May 2017 19:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Wow, on the other hand, says I didn’t ask about anything.&quot;

Now that IS 100% absolutely wrong.

What I said was this:

&lt;blockquote&gt;For what? Without knowing what the plan is supposed to do, how can he determine what plan you want? If he put out his travel plan for his next lecture, would that be fine? Because you haven’t said it wasn’t that plan you wanted.&lt;/blockquote&gt;


If I had interpreted you as having asked nothing, I would not have been able to ask what should the plan you want him to say should accomplish, since there would be no comment of you to ask for the definition for.

What I said was you didn&#039;t ask what plan you wanted.

You still asked for &quot;the plan&quot;, but if he has a shopping list and posts that, it&#039;s the plan for his shopping, so you would be 100% fine with that?

Here&#039;s my plan: turn the water heater on tomorrow and have a good and proper shower.

That&#039;s my plan.

What&#039;s yours?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Wow, on the other hand, says I didn’t ask about anything.&#8221;</p>
<p>Now that IS 100% absolutely wrong.</p>
<p>What I said was this:</p>
<blockquote><p>For what? Without knowing what the plan is supposed to do, how can he determine what plan you want? If he put out his travel plan for his next lecture, would that be fine? Because you haven’t said it wasn’t that plan you wanted.</p></blockquote>
<p>If I had interpreted you as having asked nothing, I would not have been able to ask what should the plan you want him to say should accomplish, since there would be no comment of you to ask for the definition for.</p>
<p>What I said was you didn&#8217;t ask what plan you wanted.</p>
<p>You still asked for &#8220;the plan&#8221;, but if he has a shopping list and posts that, it&#8217;s the plan for his shopping, so you would be 100% fine with that?</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s my plan: turn the water heater on tomorrow and have a good and proper shower.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s my plan.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s yours?</p>
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